Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

Drumpot · 05-03-2020 04:22PM

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1RDxlQpONLMKL

-question on details of West cases yesterday and how many people tested - 70 tested yesterday - still in process of contact tracing

- TG4 - question and answer in Irish. Think it was the answer to the meaning of life but I can’t translate

- ICU beds/units - how many in Ireland - answer 245

- should Big events be going ahead - couldn’t hear (missed some questions)

- George Lee very good question- are they being too vague with information? (Making it hard for media to equally know how to respond) - trying to get balance - kinda wishy washy on that

- anymore new cases? - we wait feedback and usually later in day

- case specific criteria sometimes when determining next action

- won’t Answer question on individual cases

- more people worrying because of vagueness of announcements- trying to find balance between public calm, reassuring public and information . Wider public can help slow this down

- Taking steps daily to deploy resources and staff as needed

- complaints to social media platforms - important to regulate bullsh*t (then keep up excellent seminars like this, people will keep using social media)

- how should companies react to Suspect case? (Stream went off)

iguana · 05-03-2020 04:23PM

Downlinz wrote: »

It's weird to me that people would ignore that and roll the dice because they don't want to look "silly" for having an extra pack of toilet paper or something but you do you :pac:

I stocked up last week. I just honestly don’t see any downside to having a cupboard full of long life food I’m going to eat anyway.

harr · 05-03-2020 04:24PM

HSE seem a little more panicked today and not as sure of themselves

Ninthlife · 05-03-2020 04:24PM

BloodBath wrote: »

It will be like fallout except we trade in pasta instead of bottlecaps.

People need to be sure it doesnt go pasta its use by date

the butcher · 05-03-2020 04:24PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235584047797198850

Michelinextra. · 05-03-2020 04:26PM

Downlinz wrote: »

There's an actual real risk to the supply chain this time since production for certain cleaning and sanitary items have been shut down for weeks in China, then you have the likes of India restricting export of medicine to keep more for their own population. Lower supply and higher demand means empty shelves.

For food, people want to stock up in case they have to self isolate. Nobody wants to worry about things like that if they're feeling unwell and not everybody lives within a delivery range of a Tesco.

It's weird to me that people would ignore that and roll the dice because they don't want to look "silly" for having an extra pack of toilet paper or something but you do you :pac:

Some crack for the Tesco delivery drivers

DrumSteve · 05-03-2020 04:27PM

I keep doing every calculation I can think of and I keep coming back to a CFR of 3.4%.

The only factor I didn't include was undiagnosed cases.

stephenjmcd · 05-03-2020 04:27PM

harr wrote: »

HSE seem a little more panicked today and not as sure of themselves

How ? not seen any difference in them.

They're just trying to force home the same information they've been giving since the start

antodeco · 05-03-2020 04:27PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

People need to be sure it doesnt go pasta its use by date

Terrible pun. I hope the rest of us can rice above it

the butcher · 05-03-2020 04:28PM

I think before people start freaking out about their own coughs etc - a big indicator for clinical diagnosis is the trouble breathing and low oxygen (Dysopnea / Hypoxia which is 55% of cases). If you've got the sniffles too, more than likely are not effected (4% runny nose).

This info will be more useful by end of the month but still good to take note of now.

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Drumpot · 05-03-2020 04:28PM

Downlinz wrote: »

There's an actual real risk to the supply chain this time since production for certain cleaning and sanitary items have been shut down for weeks in China, then you have the likes of India restricting export of medicine to keep more for their own population. Lower supply and higher demand means empty shelves.

For food, people want to stock up in case they have to self isolate. Nobody wants to worry about things like that if they're feeling unwell and not everybody lives within a delivery range of a Tesco.

It's weird to me that people would ignore that and roll the dice because they don't want to look "silly" for having an extra pack of toilet paper or something but you do you :pac:

India have apparently started limiting export of antibiotics out of the country. (Heard this from Dr John but link https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/india-limits-medicine-exports-coronavirus-paracetamol-antibiotics )

Again, I really don’t think a lot of people realize how this is going to have so many knock on affects to us all. Not end of the world but significant problems will arise where people have not expected it.

Rob A. Bank · 05-03-2020 04:28PM

Pretzill wrote: »

Does anyone else get the feeling the HSE are more interested in containing the spread of rumours than a virus (¬_¬)

Nicely summarized Pretzill !

industry accountant · 05-03-2020 04:29PM

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72 rolls of Andrex for €29 delivered.

DrumSteve · 05-03-2020 04:30PM

the butcher wrote: »

I think before people start freaking out about their own coughs etc - a big indicator for clinical diagnosis is the trouble breathing and low oxygen (Dysopnea / Hypoxia which is 55% of cases). If you've got the sniffles too, more than likely are not effected (4% runny nose).

This info will be more useful by end of the month but still good to take note of now.

just to be clear, this is in the 15% of patients presenting as serious.

retro:electro · 05-03-2020 04:31PM

Why would anyone feel “silly” for having a few spare bags of pasta and tinned tomatoes that they’ll likely work through in due course anyway?
What a stupid comment.

I’ve not been stocking up but I don’t think people who have are “silly”. We don’t know the reasons behind their decision. The scoffing at those who want to be prepared for the shlt hitting the proverbial is kind of pathetic.

BloodBath · 05-03-2020 04:31PM

Was going to order some stuff from Amazon.

Looking at price comparisons Italy had the lowest prices for the items I want at the moment.

I've always been a bit of gambler.

ThePopehimself · 05-03-2020 04:31PM

So it's three adults and one child then.

And all three adults went into work after coming home from N. Italy.

Panrich · 05-03-2020 04:32PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I keep doing every calculation I can think of and I keep coming back to a CFR of 3.4%.

The only factor I didn't include was undiagnosed cases.

You want to talk with Donald Trump. He has debunked that figure

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/05/donald-trump-hunch-scientists-wrong-coronavirus-12354925/

el Fenomeno · 05-03-2020 04:33PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Central Bank are testing an employee for the virus

Staff given the choice to work from home

What's the source for this?

owlbethere · 05-03-2020 04:35PM

the butcher wrote: »

https://www.toutiao.com/a6800294705910252036/?tt_from=copy_link&utm_campaign=client_share&timestamp=1583320886&app=news_article&utm_source=copy_link&utm_medium=toutiao_ios&req_id=202003041921260101310751951D096C29&group_id=6800294705910252036

Same as in SARS -
https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/49/12/2108/5642159

Intra-nasal delivery bypasses the blood-brain barrier via the Olfactory bulb ->
https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/15/7264

I would assume it's rare.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

Many people are comparing this to a cold or a flu and that it will pass easily in time if you are fit and healthy. It hit me today that it could be something much more serious. Of a deeper infection. Like with hiv, after infection, infected people respond differently. Some people show cold and flu symptoms, some people have stronger symptoms than others. Their bodies are responding to the initial infection.

This coronavirus is not a cold or a flu and the quicker people cop on including whatever is left of our government the better.

megatron989 · 05-03-2020 04:36PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Why would anyone feel “silly” for having a few spare bags of pasta and tinned tomatoes that they’ll likely work through in due course anyway?
What a stupid comment.

I’ve not been stocking up but I don’t think people who have are “silly”. We don’t know the reasons behind their decision. The scoffing at those who want to be prepared for the shlt hitting the proverbial is kind of pathetic.

It's just their way of justifying their position, head firmly buried up their own... I mean buried in sand or, more understandable perhaps, just not being able to deal with the possibility that things are about to go to all hell.

Fleetwoodmac · 05-03-2020 04:36PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

So it's three adults and one child then.

And all three adults went into work after coming home from N. Italy.

Heard it's mum, dad and two kids... heard mum is a nurse and dad a GP but so many different stories going round. Can only imagine what family are going through.

Cw85 · 05-03-2020 04:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Many people are comparing this to a cold or a flu and that it will pass easily in time if you are fit and healthy. It hit me today that it could be something much more serious. Of a deeper infection. Like with hiv, after infection, infected people respond differently. Some people show cold and flu symptoms, some people have stronger symptoms than others. Their bodies are responding to the initial infection.

This coronavirus is not a cold or a flu and the quicker people cop on including whatever is left of our government the better.

That's just scaremongering, all you have to do is look at the amount of people who have recovered from it, which is most.

the butcher · 05-03-2020 04:37PM

Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

This was actually done in 2019 covering a 'bat to pig corona virus' infection that started in Brazil.

The results of the exercise showed we did not do well at all ->

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

billybonkers · 05-03-2020 04:37PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

What's the source for this?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/central-bank-employee-being-tested-for-coronavirus-39017733.html

jammiedodgers · 05-03-2020 04:37PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Will there ever be a rainbow?

Can I borrow a feeling?

Pretzill · 05-03-2020 04:37PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Why would anyone feel “silly” for having a few spare bags of pasta and tinned tomatoes that they’ll likely work through in due course anyway?
What a stupid comment.

I’ve not been stocking up but I don’t think people who have are “silly”. We don’t know the reasons behind their decision. The scoffing at those who want to be prepared for the shlt hitting the proverbial is kind of pathetic.

I always have about six weeks of food (or more) between two freezers - I make jam, freeze homegrown veg and pickle stuff - I'm rural and with the possibility of getting snowed in over winter it's just done here. Nothing silly about it imo.

megabomberman · 05-03-2020 04:37PM

Most people I talk to are still oblivious about the whole thing, I thought the rapid rise of cases in our neighbours would shake the apathy.

caveat emptor · 05-03-2020 04:39PM

the butcher wrote: »

I think before people start freaking out about their own coughs etc - a big indicator for clinical diagnosis is the trouble breathing and low oxygen (Dysopnea / Hypoxia which is 55% of cases). If you've got the sniffles too, more than likely are not effected (4% runny nose).

This info will be more useful by end of the month but still good to take note of now.

That's a 25 to 1 chance! I've had bigger winners in Cheltenham.

Wibbs · 05-03-2020 04:39PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I keep doing every calculation I can think of and I keep coming back to a CFR of 3.4%.

OK I'll lay bets now that when done and dusted the actual figure for fatalities will be sub 1% worldwide and of the sub 1% the vast majority will be over 70 years of age. Yes very sad for those who do die and their families and higher than seasonal flu, but way lower than some more dire estimates are giving.

One thing is sure the transmission rate for panic is way higher than any pathogen, with the rate for the spread of bullsh1t not far behind.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP