Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

jackboy · 05-03-2020 01:14PM

solidasarock wrote: »

HSE using the irish Gov financial crisis playbook of pretending nothing is wrong while the world burns around them.

Strong correlation with the last financial crash. Politicians saying that the fundamentals of the economy are fine and don't talk the economy down.

What we are hearing from the HSE from the start is propaganda. I can imagine some panicked meetings behind closed doors. Then send the robot out for the media speeches.

As no serious actions have been taken to protect the country from this virus we are essentially now dependent on luck and the hope that the virus is not as bad as portrayed.

dan786 · 05-03-2020 01:15PM

The Minister for Health has said that schools in the west of the country connected to the four new cases of coronoavirus are currently deciding on closure in liaison with the public health authorities.

Simon Harris said new cases will impact on schools in a variety of ways and he added that contact tracing on the four new cases is ongoing and the chief medical officer will give an update on that later today.

He said schools need to follow the advice of health authorities and there may be different scenarios ranging from full closures, a class closing or an event closing.

He said it was important that schools did not act unilaterally.

Guidelines on mass gatherings will be published tomorrow after a stakeholder forum discusses them.

caveat emptor · 05-03-2020 01:15PM

Boggles · 05-03-2020 01:16PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

And we may add, it's as well we have social media and even local and tabloid media who are prepared to give out real hard information as to where issues are arising. RTE have been utterly useless in their public service broadcasting role in terms of assisting the population to make rational informed decisions.

What's the difference in ones reaction to finding out where cases are arising compared to locations where they are not?

Wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay away from large gatherings. If you think you have symptoms, self isolate and ring your GP.

What other rational informed decisions can one make?

dan786 · 05-03-2020 01:17PM

Economy over Health sure.

Britain is moving into the second of four phases in its battle plan to tackle the spread of coronavirus, England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty has said, after confirmed cases jumped across the country.

Britain has so far registered 90 cases of coronavirus, also known as Covid-19, but has held off from introducing measures to restrict movement or to cancel large gatherings for fear of hurting the economy.

Knex* · 05-03-2020 01:17PM

bkrangle wrote: »

worked a shift in a hospital anyway

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-patient-worked-shift-in-emergency-department-in-west-of-ireland-1.4193756

Well, that's not good.

gifted · 05-03-2020 01:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

What's the difference in ones reaction to finding out where cases are arising compared to locations where they are not?

Wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay away from large gatherings. If you think you have symptoms, self isolate and ring your GP.

What other rational informed decisions can one make?

Out of curiosity ...What happens after you ring the doctor? Does he/she pay a house visit?

Boggles · 05-03-2020 01:18PM

gifted wrote: »

Out of curiosity ...What happens after you ring the doctor? Does he/she pay a house visit?

I imagine they ask you a bunch of questions and then give you advice and take it from there because they are medical professionals.

The Tabloids and Social Media are not.

Ninthlife · 05-03-2020 01:19PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Well, they are all connected to China at the end. The thing is, banning flights from Italy is kind of silly at this point because
a. the virus is in Ireland and spreading,
b. people fly from all EU locations to Ireland daily and all countries have plenty of cases by now

Absolutely

We know its here. Its no doubt spreading and what we need to do now is minimise its spread by any reasonable means necessary.

Postpone Patricks Day festival and limit large events

Dept of Education should bring forward mid term.

Dept of Health/HSE to disclose affected patients general area and increase testinh. Cancel all unnecessary surgeries and services and get staff into the key areas. Reduce the trolley crisis as soon as possible.

Public transport will need to be cleansed on regular basis.

Dept Social Protection to assure those who have to be off work will receive payments

Foreign Affairs to be clear and advise no one should travel where possible to other affected areas. Doing so will result in mandatory quarantine on return

The fear of what if and how needs to be lifted. Be open and honest in all assessments regardless but with a solid viable plan in how to counteract any fallout

ArchXStanton · 05-03-2020 01:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It puts its hand in the box or it gets The Gom Jabbar..

kevcos · 05-03-2020 01:20PM

gifted wrote: »

Out of curiosity ...What happens after you ring the doctor? Does he/she pay a house visit?

Asking for a mate

05-03-2020 01:21PM

jackboy wrote: »

As no serious actions have been taken to protect the country from this virus we are essentially now dependent on luck and the hope that the virus is not as bad as portrayed.

That's it for me in a nutshell too. Hope it'll be fine. Be glad to be labeled a loon. Unfortunately there is no reason to get different results in Ireland.

Best of luck to everyone and their loved ones. If this goes for the worst expect people to remember the decisions made and also the inaction. If the dead end up in very large numbers then don't be surprised if people get medieval in their retribution.

gifted · 05-03-2020 01:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine they ask you a bunch of questions and then give you advice and take it from there because they are medical professionals.

The Tabloids and Social Media are not.

So why can't they publish the questions and what's the advice?
I presume all the GPS will ask the same questions for the virus?

joeysoap · 05-03-2020 01:22PM

laurah591 wrote: »

3 deaths in Spain now of elderly vulnerable people; very disturbing the level of spread already out there.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/03/05/breaking-third-person-dies-in-spain-because-of-coronavirus/

There’s an lot of elderly tourists in Spain for the winter Irish included.

Italy must have an enormous winter tourist market. I have visited Lake Garda, Verona and Venice in the past and Venice was definitely overcrowded. 1 infected person in Venice doesn’t bear thinking about. You literally rub shoulders with other tourists.

Yurt2 · 05-03-2020 01:23PM

jackboy wrote: »

Strong correlation with the last financial crash. Politicians saying that the fundamentals of the economy are fine and don't talk the economy down.

All the major engines of the world economy are badly hit by this, China, Japan, S Korea, (shortly) USA, Western Europe.

Even if we kept it to a handful of cases in Ireland this year is looking like a write-off for every industry bar mask and hygiene product manufacturers.

Unlike a natural disaster like an earthquake or a destructive war, there will be little to no economic upswing from construction once it's done. The world could be a while getting back to growth and Ireland by virtue of our open economic system is one of the countries particularly exposed.

BarryD2 · 05-03-2020 01:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

What other rational informed decisions can one make?

Many members of the public have pointed out that they would simply like to be reliably informed where cases are arising. Not out of prurient curiosity but that they judge their own possible exposure or otherwise to the virus.

If Met Eireann issue a Red warning for a storm hitting the west coast of Ireland, they don't just tell the people in say Glencolumbcille and keep it quiet from the rest of the population. It may or may not affect other parts but forewarned is forearmed.

Boggles · 05-03-2020 01:23PM

gifted wrote: »

So why can't they publish the questions and what's the advice?
I presume all the GPS will ask the same questions for the virus?

What questions?

I imagine the advice will depend on what questions they get asked and answers they give.

It's a respiratory illness not an alien.

GPs are qualified to ask questions and give advice.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 05-03-2020 01:24PM

dan786 wrote: »

The Minister for Health has said that schools in the west of the country connected to the four new cases of coronoavirus are currently deciding on closure in liaison with the public health authorities.

Simon Harris said new cases will impact on schools in a variety of ways and he added that contact tracing on the four new cases is ongoing and the chief medical officer will give an update on that later today.

He said schools need to follow the advice of health authorities and there may be different scenarios ranging from full closures, a class closing or an event closing.

He said it was important that schools did not act unilaterally.

Guidelines on mass gatherings will be published tomorrow after a stakeholder forum discusses them.

Economic stakeholders, mostly.

Even though the people with most at stake are the general public whose chances of expoure will be magnified enormously by this mad gathering.

Boggles · 05-03-2020 01:24PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Many members of the public have pointed out that they would simply like to be reliably informed where cases are arising. Not out of prurient curiosity but that they judge their own possible exposure or otherwise to the virus.

Yeah, I understand that.

But my question is, what does one do differently?

gifted · 05-03-2020 01:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

What questions?

I imagine the advice will depend on what questions they get asked.

It's a respiratory illness not an alien.

GPs are qualified to ask questions and give advice.

The bunch of questions that you said they would ask.......what are they?

Boggles · 05-03-2020 01:25PM

gifted wrote: »

The bunch of questions that you said they would ask.......what are they?

I'm not a GP.

But you could probably guess at least most of them.

quokula · 05-03-2020 01:26PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Many members of the public have pointed out that they would simply like to be reliably informed where cases are arising. Not out of prurient curiosity but that they judge their own possible exposure or otherwise to the virus.

If Met Eireann issue a Red warning for a storm hitting the west coast of Ireland, they don't just tell the people in say Glencolumbcille and keep it quiet from the rest of the population. It may or may not affect other parts but forewarned is forearmed.

But if the storm was localised to falling on one person or one household they'd just inform the people directly affected instead of issuing a warning.

niallo27 · 05-03-2020 01:27PM

You can't beat boards for a bit of complete over exaggeration. It will pass like every other doom day scenario we have had in the last 20 years.

gifted · 05-03-2020 01:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not a GP.

But you could probably guess at least most of them.

So they advise us to ring a GP and anewer questions that we already know and take advice?

Rob A. Bank · 05-03-2020 01:28PM

Bill Gates letter to the New England Journal of Medicine is interesting and worth a read.

Now we also face an immediate crisis. In the past week, Covid-19 has started behaving a lot like the once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about. I hope it’s not that bad, but we should assume it will be until we know otherwise.

There are two reasons that Covid-19 is such a threat. First, it can kill healthy adults in addition to elderly people with existing health problems. The data so far suggest that the virus has a case fatality risk around 1%; this rate would make it many times more severe than typical seasonal influenza, putting it somewhere between the 1957 influenza pandemic (0.6%) and the 1918 influenza pandemic (2%).

Second, Covid-19 is transmitted quite efficiently. The average infected person spreads the disease to two or three others — an exponential rate of increase...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

joe40 · 05-03-2020 01:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

What's the difference in ones reaction to finding out where cases are arising compared to locations where they are not?

Wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay away from large gatherings. If you think you have symptoms, self isolate and ring your GP.

What other rational informed decisions can one make?

Exactly and I think the majority of people can see that, noise online amplifies things.
Our response has been in keeping with the response of other countries around the world. I don't know anyone who thinks this issue is not serious, but panic reactions can do more harm than good.
If travel restrictions and school closures become necessary they will be done but we're not there yet. The disruptions would be massive.

This is a serious public health issue, no doubt about that, but people's employment and livelihood are also of major importance.

Have France closed Disneyworld? thousands of people gathering from all over Europe. They certainly haven't.

As for knowing precise locations, that would have zero affect on how I personally behave, I don't need to know i'll still take necessary precautions.

quokula · 05-03-2020 01:30PM

gifted wrote: »

So they advise us to ring a GP and anewer questions that we already know and take advice?

There's a reason why it's always been recommended to speak to a doctor rather than just googling your symptoms, for any ailment.

No two people have the exact same combination of symptoms, history and circumstances. Doctors have years of training to make judgment calls based on the information available.

Christy42 · 05-03-2020 01:30PM

the butcher wrote: »

Which leads to indirect deaths due to the quick recession....WE CANT WIN...
BUT worst case scenario of a virus mutating and with us forever seasonally is probably much worse than quick pain economy wise and a chance of eradicating a potential deadly virus....but it won't happen (shutting down borders).

We will continue on the path present, risk the chances of second/third waves and letting it become part of our cold/flu seasons, reducing our life expectancy, the people in the high risk categories are expendable.

?? If it becomes part of the world's seasonal illnesses thens hitting down borders will do nothing. If it lasts for months it will do nothing. We can't shut down every winter.

If it is a very short lived illness everywhere then shutting down borders might help. Shutting down our borders will not eradicate the virus. It might stop us from getting it for the next week or two but if it lives on anywhere else it will get in here and the border **** down will no longer help.

cnocbui · 05-03-2020 01:31PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You can't beat boards for a bit of complete over exaggeration. It will pass like every other doom day scenario we have had in the last 20 years.

That may well be the case, but if so, it will only be because steps have been taken to mitigate the potential damage, which includes education and improved awareness among the public, with boards serving a function in terms of the latter.

dan786 · 05-03-2020 01:31PM

Well theres that...

UK's health minister Matt Hancock has said shutting all UK schools and universities would not bring benefits at this stage.

Mr Hancock said he does not think a coronavirus vaccine will be available in the next few months.

He said scientific advice on large events is that there is no benefit to cancelling them if people undertake basic public health measures.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP