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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #362
    New Home
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    ^^^
    I mean, even Donald Trump managed to think of it! :D :pac:


  • #363
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYPZHA-UjUY


    Interesting explanation of the two different virus’s. Obviously we know very little at this stage but this information is positive if true. In short original outbreak in Wuhan (L type) was more dangerous and mutated to a different strain (S type) that is less harmful. They hope that by shutting down Wuhan , the Chinese stopped the spread of the more dangerous one and the world is mostly having to deal with the less deadly disease. That’s my layman interpretation of this link so watch it and draw your own conclusions. Some of it’s quite technical and goes over my head but I find it interesting none the less.

    The following may change but appears to be what they know/postulate to date:

    - generally the COVID19 has been stable but has mutated
    - possible to get both S & L type
    - may require more significant shut downs to slow down the more dangerous L type (which was what the Chinese did)
    - vaccine should hopefully work on both strains
    - downside is potentially a couple of waves of the virus through countries (possibly happening in China)
    - not clear yet if getting both types at the same time is more dangerous
    - cross immunity between L &S type of virus unclear, hopefully there is immunity from
    Getting one which will be more clear as cases get tested and more information available

    The more you listen to credible sources explaining why the Chinese have done such a good job (after initially maybe reacting slow) the more it looks like we will actually have a lot to be grateful for from them when this settles down, regardless of what you think about their Eating habits.


  • #364
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Surely the best time ever to visit Venice? Looks so quite and I bet you could bargain with hotels for a great deal

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #365
    macwal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    New Home wrote: »
    ^^^
    I mean, even Donald Trump managed to think of it! :D :pac:


    Hmmm, maybe we should have a rethink then...


  • #366
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    For the people looking for a flight ban from Italy. Do you really think it would stop Irish people from making their way home using other means?

    That's not the point. People who are there will of course come home. However it will do two things

    1) Stop more Irish people traveling there (and later having to return)
    2) It will stop other people (mainly Italians) from making unnecessary trips here.

    In 3-4 weeks there will likely be more new cases of Irish people returning from Italy with the virus. Some of them will be boarding outbound flights this week and next for their planned holiday trip to Milan/Rome. Probably after posting on here about how they think gobshites are over-reacting about a cold

    See the below for confirmation that there are people who will travel unnecessarily.
    I see sheep wrote: »
    Surely the best time ever to visit Venice? Looks so quite and I bet you could bargain with hotels for a great deal


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  • #367
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    New Home wrote: »
    There have been multiple reports of people falling ill again after having recovered, even young ones, but not all survived. There are also multiple strains of this virus, so catching one doesn't make you immune to the others.

    "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is a huge fallacy.

    Exactly like dengue fever. There are 5 strains of that virus called serotypes, DENV-1, DENV-2, DENV-3 etc (5th strain found in 2013).

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111221151713.htm
    One of the most vexing challenges in the battle against dengue virus, a mosquito-borne virus responsible for 50-100 million infections every year, is that getting infected once can put people at greater risk for a more severe infection down the road.


  • #368
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Easy answer. If it is a concern to you then:

    1) Turn on tap
    2) Use tap water and soap to wash tap handle
    3) Wash hands
    4) Turn off tap using the clean handle

    How can people not think of simple solutions like this? It's hardly rocket science.
    Or just use a disposable towel like all the guidelines recommend.


  • #369
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    New Home wrote: »
    ^^^
    I mean, even Donald Trump managed to think of it! :D :pac:


    Way way ahead of you losers :pac:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/12/shaking-hands-is-barbaric-donald-trump-the-germaphobe-in-chief/


  • #370
    [Deleted User]
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    Where did this person pick it up???

    Western Australia

    a woman in her 30s who returned to the state this week after travelling to Iceland and London, and flying home via Dubai. The woman remains in home isolation.

    https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHXKVWGgV5oaWo8pyEdnXk0qFwgEKg4IACoGCAowl6p7MN-zCTDZ4PsF?hl=en-AU&gl=AU&ceid=AU%3Aen


  • #371
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    How long do the symptoms take to develop after transmission?

    We've had an employee sent home today with symptoms. He was in Milan a fortnight ago.

    Can be up to 2 weeks


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  • #372
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    seamus wrote: »
    You cannot make your hands perfectly sterile. Washed hands aren't sterile.

    This is why doctors scrub their hands to within a inch of their lives, but still put on gloves.

    The aim is to minimise infection. You touch the tap, a tiny amount of potential bacteria are transferred. You wash your hands, clean off a load of stuff, touch the tap again and tiny % of what you previously transferred, is transferred back.

    Your hands are still hundreds of times cleaner than they were before you washed them.

    Same goes for door handles, etc. Unless someone smeared dog **** on the handle, then touching a door handle (or a mobile phone) doesn't suddenly make your hands filthy again.

    That does not appear to be the case.
    All four hand treatments showed marked antiviral efficacy: 14 of 14 individuals had no virus detected by culture or PCR. Soap and water washing was slightly better than the alcohol-based treatments, but the differences were very slight: 1– 100 virus copies/mL. Nevertheless, alcohol-based treatments are likely preferable because they are faster and more portable than washing with soap and water.

    This study is not perfect – the number of subjects was small, and the effects of the treatments on different strains of influenza virus was not determined. Nevertheless, the findings that simple washing with soap and water or alcohol-based gels is effective at removing influenza virus from hands is likely to help prevent transmission of infection.
    http://www.virology.ws/2009/07/17/hand-hygiene-removes-influenza-virus/


  • #373
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Plus the virus doesn’t need passports/visas and knows no borders so borders are useless to control it (right, it can only be carried by human beings who themselves do need passport/visas and do know borders, but since our officials never mention that fact while they keep repeating the first one, I gather it is irrelevant).

    Lol


  • #374
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Thisonedone wrote: »
    Stupid question here but what is the point of hand washing? You have the virus on your hands so you go to wash your hands, you touch the tap to turn it on, the virus is now on the tap, you wash your hands, the virus is now removed, now you touch the tap to turn it off and so surely the virus is now back on your hands?


    wash hands and tap, rinse hands, problem solved


  • #375
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1235531901655539712

    The second person infected with coronavirus is a Moroccan citizen who returned from Italy late Wednesday, the North African country's health ministry announced.

    Italy, Italy...ITALY.


  • #376
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Thisonedone wrote: »
    Plenty of experts have come out and said the 15 min rule being spouted is complete horsesh1t. They say if you are sitting next to someone for 2 seconds and they sneeze or cough in your direction then you are infected.

    If they sneeze, it's 0.1 sec. :)


  • #377
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    dan786 wrote: »
    For anyone wondering:

    The four stages of UK's coronavirus response:

    contain the virus
    delay its transmission
    research its origins
    mitigate its impact

    They are on second stage.

    The HSE have:

    "Serve the public trust"
    "Protect the innocent"
    "Uphold the law"
    "Any attempt to arrest a senior officer of HSE results in shutdown"


  • #378
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Can be up to 2 weeks


    can be longer than that, but 2 weeks is the most accepted figure right now


  • #379
    Hamsterchops
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    Maybe it would be a good thing for healthy people (in isolation) to contract Covid-19, so that our antibodies become acquainted with it, therefore the next time it arrives our immune systems will recognise & destroy it?


  • #380
    cnocbui
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    I see sheep wrote: »
    Surely the best time ever to visit Venice? Looks so quite and I bet you could bargain with hotels for a great deal

    Be my guest, after you....


  • #381
    drunkmonkey
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    the butcher wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKLife/status/1235529570629160960

    I'd say that's what the HSE are up to, there not trying to contain it there trying to delay it as the hospitals haven't the means to cope right now. Push things out for a few weeks and there will be more ICU beds free. There playing high stakes poker in hoping it's only going to be isolated cases from Italy.


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  • #382
    nullObjects
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    On a different note, just logged into boards.ie and got this message that I my browser tried to connect to eu centre for disease control. I only had this window open, I was just logging into boards. Weird.

    The graphs posted in the thread seem to be hosted on that site - https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/
    443 is the port used for SSL, which is what it's flagging.

    I think you should be ok to allow it.


  • #383
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where did this person pick it up???

    Western Australia

    a woman in her 30s who returned to the state this week after travelling to Iceland and London, and flying home via Dubai. The woman remains in home isolation.

    https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHXKVWGgV5oaWo8pyEdnXk0qFwgEKg4IACoGCAowl6p7MN-zCTDZ4PsF?hl=en-AU&gl=AU&ceid=AU%3Aen


    no connection with Italy


  • #384
    quokula
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    Thisonedone wrote: »
    Plenty of experts have come out and said the 15 min rule being spouted is complete horsesh1t. They say if you are sitting next to someone for 2 seconds and they sneeze or cough in your direction then you are infected.

    People are woefully understanding the concept of risk. Nobody is saying that this is the precise way you will / won't get infected. Someone could run at you and cough all over you the moment they see you, but that's not very likely. You could be sitting next to someone for hours without catching anything too.

    It's just a reasonable assessment of how long / near someone you might be before there's a reasonable chance they might have coughed and it might be in your direction. It's being used in multiple places around the world.

    Think of it like speed limits. If you're driving at 120kph and you crash you're in trouble. If you're driving at 150kph and you don't crash you're fine. But 120kph is considered the reasonable limit from a risk point of view.


  • #385
    the butcher
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    https://twitter.com/ewnreporter/status/1235534091337990144

    Again traveled to Italy. I don't know about you guys but I believe there's a pattern developing.


  • #386
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Maybe it would be a good thing for healthy people (in isolation) to contract Covid-19, so that our antibodies become acquainted with it, therefore the next time it arrives our immune systems will recognise & destroy it?


    Healthy young people get sick too, the 38 yo healthy sporty Italian man who is considered patient 0 is still in critical conditions


  • #387
    woejus
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    the butcher wrote: »

    Again traveled to Italy. I don't know about you guys but I believe there's a pattern developing.

    The cases are all being disclosed on Twitter?


  • #388
    snowgal
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    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Stops speculation thats its Meath, no its wexford etc online.

    We should be afforded the common courtesy to make a decision to avoid a particular area especially if there is an increase in cases

    yes this exactly. Id like to be able to make my mind up that if Im due to be in Wexford for example next Saturday but then it is announced that there has been a case/cases there I might not want to travel there. I want to avoid as much as possible getting the virus. Which in turn helps to contain the spread, the more people know. I absolutely dont want to know who the person or family is but I cant see the reason in not giving a more specific area then the east. It would HELP to contain....


  • #389
    macwal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    Thisonedone wrote: »
    Plenty of experts have come out and said the 15 min rule being spouted is complete horsesh1t. They say if you are sitting next to someone for 2 seconds and they sneeze or cough in your direction then you are infected.


    Reminds me of the Monty Python scene, but instead of the French farting, it's the Italians coughing in our general direction.


  • #390
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    First big spike outside the main areas....

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  • #391
    stephenjmcd
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    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/1235529063642599425

    HSE Facility has already been deep cleaned


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