Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

Bob24 · 05-03-2020 11:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is exactly why we shouldn't close borders. It'll ruin the economy and would be racialist too.

Lower interest rates whats fixes viral issues

Plus the virus doesn’t need passports/visas and knows no borders so borders are useless to control it (right, it can only be carried by human beings who themselves do need passport/visas and do know borders, but since our officials never mention that fact while they keep repeating the first one, I gather it is irrelevant).

05-03-2020 11:53AM

Downlinz wrote: »

It's odd how we describe ourselves as in the "containment" phase but take such passive measures towards actual containment.

Ask yourself, would you rather be called racist or would you rather have your lungs eaten alive by covoid19? If the former is the answer then you are part of the true virus infecting humanity

Lower teh interest rates! Blob blob blob
Keep the economy going at all costs. Who is expendable, you are

Bannasidhe · 05-03-2020 11:53AM

joe40 wrote: »

We have been the only country to cancel a 6 nations rugby match.
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England Vs Italy match postponed - same as Ireland Vs Italy has been.

dan786 · 05-03-2020 11:53AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235518753921740805?s=20

nthclare · 05-03-2020 11:55AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

We cancel the 6 Nations game but not Patricks Day parades which attract far bigger numbers all over the country rather than one city area. Doesn't make sense.

Ah sure some people are rubbing their hands no doubt thinking of lining people's pockets and the effects it'll have on the econ oh money.

When friends of friends in high places are effected there's no doubt in begora society it'll be the punt first...

Quin_Dub · 05-03-2020 11:56AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No idea.

Are there flights from Shannon to Italy?

No , there aren't

UK , France , Germany , Spain , Canaries , Poland , Lithuania & Austria

pjohnson · 05-03-2020 11:56AM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far the advice from the HSE is if you come back from a hotspot and show symptoms - self isolate.

About two weeks ago all of this was unfolding in Italy. It's quite possible many people didn't know Italy was going to be bad and people continued on thinking China was the hotspot.

Also, the advice says self isolate if you show symptoms. They probably weren't showing symptoms til very recently and went out and about in their community and went to work and school.

Thats why its so important to tell no one the location of the infected. We dont want anyone that came into contact with the infected isolating themselves. Let them all develop symptoms first after mingling about.

Dr. Tony way.

wadacrack · 05-03-2020 11:56AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

What’s the big hullabaloo about Cheltenham going ahead or not ? Yes there will be a mass gathering of people but not one soccer match etc has been cancelled yet
Over 5 million people using tube in London daily etc
If you call off a sporting event or all mass gatherings then the whole country should be shutdown it’s all or nothing at that stage

700,000 attend Cheltenham compared to one football match. Yea that's what will probably will need to be done at a certain stage. Lockdowns will happen in europe. Their will be no choice at a certain stage

Drumpot · 05-03-2020 11:57AM

ZiabR wrote: »

The HSE and our Government have their heads in the sand with this virus. They DONT want to make the tough decisions that need to be made. To put some perspective on this.

The UK have a population of circa 67 million, they only have 90 confirmed cases of Covid 19. They have already admitted defeat in the containment phase and have said they have moved to the delay phase and are clamping down on all major public events etc. British Airways have stopped flying into many of the affected areas. Community spread has already started.

Ireland on the other hand only has a population of 4.8 million and we have 6 confirmed cases. We still think we can contain this virus... and refuse to make the big decisions like stopping all flights to and from Italy and as of right now we are going ahead with the Paddys day parade... Are we complete morans? Its embarrassing how this country reacts. Ryanair are sending out e-mails this morning offering cheap flights... I received one myself. That is a disgraceful lack of respect or care for the current situation.

The HSE are still playing charades refusing to give out information on the current cases. No one is going to attack the patients but it would be massively beneficial if we knew where the areas were so that people in those areas can be more vigilant. I have been banging on about this for days now, the HSE are off their faces if they think that we can contain this and that we only have 6 cases. We have many times that already in the country.

By cancelling flights to affected areas and stopping mass gatherings like paddys day will GREATLY increase Ireland's chance at slowing this virus down which will give our hospitals time to treat and discharge the patients currently suffering from the seasonal influenza outbreak.

We need to do everything possible to slow this down, containment is not possible.

The HSE haven't even explained how this virus transmits and that the greatest risk is the pre-symptomatic spread. There should be a section on the news EVERYDAY hammering home the major points. This is not scare mongering, it is just common sense. Knowledge is power. If we empower the population with the facts about the virus and how everyone can help slow it down, then we would be in a much better place.

Right now our government and HSE are running around like headless chickens afraid of whats coming because they wont implement what is right for OUR country now. It will take deaths for them to change and by that time it will be far to late.

Superb post.

Two questios I have is, if you think it will be any different in Ireland then can you please give a reason why you have come to this conclusion?

If you accept there is no reasonable reason why we should accept our country is anymore special then maybe Germany or the UK (equally an island) , should we not respond quicker to the outbreak? So if these countries are a week ahead of us and for example close schools or don’t allow mass gatherings shouldn’t we just take action like that and not just wait until we inevitably have to do it because things have gotten worse?

It’s the message from WHO that countries who react quicker and more decisively and get their populations on board with what needs to be done stand the best chance of dealing with this the best. So if we actually know what’s coming , by accepting Ireland is not unique and the virus will hit us like everyone else, why don’t we just implement measures countries who are further ahead in trouble are doing? Surely this would potentially reduce the impact on our healthcare services and by extension ourselves. Also means we can get the uncomfortable panic period out of the way in a more controlled fashion.

realdanbreen · 05-03-2020 11:58AM

And those teacher muppets in Clare decide to go on a freebie skiing trip to northern Italy in the middle of all this and come back infected! It's beyond a joke that those teachers can go on pissups to Italy paid for by the parents.

the butcher · 05-03-2020 11:58AM

Ten Icelandic nationals that tested positive for the novel coronavirus on Wednesday ->

All of those individuals were traveling in either northern Italy or Austria.

Here we have daily flights still coming in. We are still in containment mode folks. No need to worry...

josip · 05-03-2020 11:59AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The latest James Bond film which was die to be released in April has being postponed for 7 months!

Do try to keep up, 007.

Lucy8080 · 05-03-2020 12:00PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

England Vs Italy match postponed - same as Ireland Vs Italy has been.

England v Italy was initially to be held behind closed doors. I heard on the radio this morning that I.T.V. production staff (camera men and all) refused to travel to cover the game. That would have meant no live coverage in the U.K. I wonder did that sway the final decision to postpone.

Panrich · 05-03-2020 12:00PM

wadacrack wrote: »

700,000 attend Cheltenham compared to one football match. Yea that's what will probably will need to be done at a certain stage. Lockdowns will happen in europe. Their will be no choice at a certain stage

700,000 is over double the correct figure for attendance.

There was a record attendance of 266,779 last year

https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/cheltenham/media/press-releases/2019/03/record-attendances-throughout-the-festival-presented-by-magners-in-2019/

Drumpot · 05-03-2020 12:00PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

And those teacher muppets in Clare decide to go on a freebie skiing trip to northern Italy in the middle of all this and come back infected! It's beyond a joke that those teachers can go on pissups to Italy paid for by the parents.

Relax, I am sure they know that washing their hands and not being more then 15 minutes with anybody makes them ok...

imfml · 05-03-2020 12:00PM

wadacrack wrote: »

700,000 attend Cheltenham compared to one football match. Yea that's what will probably will need to be done at a certain stage. Lockdowns will happen in europe. Their will be no choice at a certain stage

So let's do it now. Economical impact will be less as well avoid mass illnesses too

runawaybishop · 05-03-2020 12:01PM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

What’s the big hullabaloo about Cheltenham going ahead or not ? Yes there will be a mass gathering of people but not one soccer match etc has been cancelled yet
Over 5 million people using tube in London daily etc
If you call off a sporting event or all mass gatherings then the whole country should be shutdown it’s all or nothing at that stage

Huh? Loads have been postponed or called off.

Widespread disruption already, with multiple Serie A games called off and concerns over completing the Italian domestic season. The Swiss league, Japan’s J-League, South Korea’s K-League and China’s Super League are all on hold, with pre-season International Champions Cup fixtures set for Asia also called off.

The athletics world indoor championships, scheduled to take place in China next month, are already off.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-03-2020 12:01PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Superb post.

Two questios I have is, if you think it will be any different in Ireland then can you please give a reason why you have come to this conclusion?

If you accept there is no reasonable reason why we should accept our country is anymore special then maybe Germany or the UK (equally an island) , should we not respond quicker to the outbreak? So if these countries are a week ahead of us and for example close schools or don’t allow mass gatherings shouldn’t we just take action like that and not just wait until we inevitably have to do it because things have gotten worse?

It’s the message from WHO that countries who react quicker and more decisively and get their populations on board with what needs to be done stand the best chance of dealing with this the best. So if we actually know what’s coming , by accepting Ireland is not unique and the virus will hit us like everyone else, why don’t we just implement measures countries who are further ahead in trouble are doing? Surely this would potentially reduce the impact on our healthcare services and by extension ourselves. Also means we can get the uncomfortable panic period out of the way in a more controlled fashion.

Because our caretaker government are unbelievably clueless and afraid of doing anything that might cast them in poor light (not that they need to actually do anything for that to happen) and the HSE are showing themselves to be equally clueless and afraid of making hard decisions.

The 'lets wait and see' approach is going to fail spectacularly...and soon!

Mic 1972 · 05-03-2020 12:01PM

People have high expectations on the flight ban in here
it hasn't worked before, it wont work now
Italy was the first country to ban flights to/from China in early January, they still got an outbreak in the end
Once the virus is in the country there is no stopping

05-03-2020 12:02PM

the butcher wrote: »

Ten Icelandic nationals that tested positive for the novel coronavirus on Wednesday ->

All of those individuals were traveling in either northern Italy or Austria.

Here we have daily flights still coming in. We are still in containment mode folks. No need to worry...

What crazy person would work on one of those flights, which reminds me. The Irish guy who is CEO of Australian airline qantas told his pilot's that if they didn't want to fly there were loads of Chinese pilot's now sitting around.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qantas-sunrise-threat-prompts-overseas-pilot-interest/

Astute business man. He , however should be aiming to fully automate his crews. Every big business should be aiming to automate their workforces. Robots don't pass on SARS or Ebola. Feeble meatbags keel over at the slightest sniff of stuff like that. Highly unreliable.

Quantitative easings and lower deh rates fix EVERYTHINGs. Thankfully there will be plenty of money to pour down that hole rather than wastefully put a hold on flights and therefore inconvenience business. Plus don't be racialist

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-03-2020 12:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What crazy person would work on one of those flights

Poor unfortunates who have no other choice other than to refuse and be sacked or resign. However I can see airlines being hit with legal actions as flight staff take cases against them if staff catch the virus and get seriously ill.

the butcher · 05-03-2020 12:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What crazy person would work on one of those flights

Unfortunately the kind who are forced, that have high rent to pay, that have no sick leave, that get guilted by others who have to "pick up the slack". At the mercy of the markets and the rat race.

Cupatae · 05-03-2020 12:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No idea.

Are there flights from Shannon to Italy?

Probably, but cost y a an arm and a leg id imagine.

the butcher · 05-03-2020 12:06PM

‘recovered’ patient dies as China reports discharged cases falling ill again ->

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3065091/coronavirus-recovered-patient-dies-china-reports-139-new-cases

morebarn · 05-03-2020 12:06PM

Reati wrote: »

"This might not mean that the patients did not get reinfected, but rather did not get rid of the virus completely in the first place"

A startling number of "cured" patients show signs of virus in later testing would be a better headline.

Yes, I found this reinfection scenario worrying also. But have been following the English couple from the cruise ship who are recovering in hospital in Japan. Having survived the virus, pneumonia etc, the main issue is that the keep testing positive, then negative, then positive again!

As the guy said, the tests are only around 70percent reliable and it’s a case of waiting for the body to completely shed the virus. It’s a slow process.

But it gives me some hope that’s what’s happening; rather than reinfection.

Cupatae · 05-03-2020 12:06PM

is there still flights coming and going from italy?

saabsaab · 05-03-2020 12:06PM

Our powers that be have failed to take the decisions to close this down as much as could be done.

Still not too late, maybe.

Better to take a hit now that take the bigger hit later on when we have 20% sick, some seriously and 1% to 3% deaths. That will seriously affect the economy! What is coming here will have effects that we can't even anticipate yet.

05-03-2020 12:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is it correct he kept working and the kids went back to school, can understand how it could be mistaken for a cold/flu so wouldn't blame them in anyway. It would be good for the HSE to be up front without naming names.

Any evidence yet emerging that he was working after returning and prior to diagnosis?

the butcher · 05-03-2020 12:07PM

https://twitter.com/AlbinSzakola/status/1235522186221252609

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 05-03-2020 12:07PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

And those teacher muppets in Clare decide to go on a freebie skiing trip to northern Italy in the middle of all this and come back infected! It's beyond a joke that those teachers can go on pissups to Italy paid for by the parents.

Eh, I can tell you for a fact that most of what's involved in these trips is making sure that the teenagers aren't riding or drinking and you have to spend however many days away from your family. The trips are done as a package deal so they're affordable and many students get to go abroad who would not otherwise be able to do so.

Can you imagine how many scandals and dismissals there would be if the teachers were going abroad with these students and just going on a pissup?

That said, travel in general at the moment is the single biggest hazard to this country. I've cancelled two trips already since January.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP