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Cilldara_2000 · 04-03-2020 04:52PM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Thermal scanner in the airport is essential.

You do know that if someone with a temperature takes something like paracetamol, they won't then have a temperature. I'd prefer the money being spent on something more useful like keeping a few extra hospital beds open.

Purple Mountain · 04-03-2020 04:53PM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Thermal scanner in the airport is essential.

Why don't we have them or why can't we say no to Italian flights for now?

pc7 · 04-03-2020 04:53PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There needs to be cross party cooperation and agreement. Forget the politics and make some tough decisions.

Big time, I'd like to see the main leaders all at the announcement and supporting it, it has to be done.

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 04:53PM

1641 wrote: »

You are referring to WHO as the best authority. Yet WHO have said that masks are both inefffective and unneecessary for the general population as a preventative measure.

I'm not I'm referring to common sense. N95 Masks and above do prevent viral transmission of various pathogens hence their use in a health setting. Their is ample academic research on the topic if you would care to look into.

I think that there is also research that most people wouldn't be able to use effectively. I hate when my face gets itchy so I'd probably scratch it. Then die. So would be ineffective in practice without extensive training. There is also evidence out of china of being infected via eyes. Hence need for goggles or full face respirator.

That is a lot to cover and take a lot of time to verify best believe the nice HSE person.

Of course you could just apply common sense and ask a good question like , "why is everyone who knows anything about this stuff either professionally or personally wearing a mask" Why is every country securing their supply of them. Either we are right and rest of world wrong or rest of world is right and we are wrong.

We don't have masks so best to extend and pretend.

Kermit.de.frog · 04-03-2020 04:54PM

A family of 4 have tested positive in New York.

wakka12 · 04-03-2020 04:55PM

There have been several hundred new cases in multiple EU states in the last 48 hours, it would seem crazy to invite tens of thousands over to Dublin given recent events

Cilldara_2000 · 04-03-2020 04:56PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not I'm referring to common sense. N95 Masks and above do prevent viral transmission of various pathogens hence their use in a health setting. Their is ample academic research on the topic if you would care to look into.

I think that there is also research that most people wouldn't be able to use effectively. I hate when my face gets itchy so I'd probably scratch it. Then die. So would be ineffective in practice without extensive training. There is also evidence out of china of being infected via eyes. Hence need for goggles or full face respirator.

That is a lot to cover and take a lot of time to verify best believe the nice HSE person.

Of course you could just apply common sense and ask a good question like , "why is everyone who knows anything about this stuff either professionally or personally wearing a mask" Why is every country securing their supply of them. Either we are right and rest of world wrong or rest of world is right and we are wrong.

We don't have masks so best to extend and pretend.

Nothing hysterical here at all. (Edit: That's my emphasis there in bolded red font.)

And the we vs the rest of the world is more like half the world vs half the world.

Xertz · 04-03-2020 04:56PM

I'd agree with the proposal further back up the thread. Could we not say on a once off basis, that Patrick's Day is going to be held in on the first weekend in July this year? It doesn't have to be scrapped, but could easily be postponed until we've a grasp of what's going on.

There's a lot going on at the moment and a lot of unknown unknowns. If you give it a few months, hopefully we would have more of a sense of what's going on and a more accurate handle on what risks are there.

It does seem a bit dangerous to throw a huge festival in the middle of this.

I don't think that's a hysterical or unreasonable proposal. It's just pragmatic given the lack of ability to predict this at the moment.

There are economic costs to cancelling it, but there are also economic costs to a big infection spread.

The issue is probably more the crammed pubs than the outdoor events tbh. You've also got less cramming into pubs in better weather and more outdoorsy stuff.

seamus · 04-03-2020 04:57PM

daheff wrote: »

Just look at the cruise ship in Japan. Influenza would not have spread to so many people over that timescale.... especially those in lockdown.

It absolutely would have tbh. People locked onto a ship together? Influenza would have been everywhere. It took 16 days from the first case (who was diagnosed a week after disembarking) to the tenth case.

16 days after that, 3,700 people locked onto a ship together and there was just shy of 1,000 confirmed cases, a third of which were asymptomatic.

"Lockdown" is probably over egging it a bit. There were reports of people confined to their cabins, but there were very few if any health professionals overseeing the quarantine or guiding policy day-to-day on infection control.

The Diamond Princess in many ways was an experiment in a worst-case scenario, and the infection rate was still less than 30%

quokula · 04-03-2020 04:57PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not I'm referring to common sense. N95 Masks and above do prevent viral transmission of various pathogens hence their use in a health setting. Their is ample academic research on the topic if you would care to look into.

I think that there is also research that most people wouldn't be able to use effectively. I hate when my face gets itchy so I'd probably scratch it. Then die. So would be ineffective in practice without extensive training. There is also evidence out of china of being infected via eyes. Hence need for goggles or full face respirator.

That is a lot to cover and take a lot of time to verify best believe the nice HSE person.

Of course you could just apply common sense and ask a good question like , "why is everyone who knows anything about this stuff either professionally or personally wearing a mask" Why is every country securing their supply of them. Either we are right and rest of world wrong or rest of world is right and we are wrong.

We don't have masks so best to extend and pretend.

"Common Sense" very rarely proves to be more correct than the evidence-based advice of experts.

You could rephrase the same question "why does everybody involved in constructing buildings wear a hard hat yet they don't recommend I wear a hard hat when I'm in a building" - there's a big difference between front line medical staff in a hospital and normal day to day business.

Cilldara_2000 · 04-03-2020 04:58PM

seamus wrote: »

It absolutely would have tbh. People locked onto a ship together? Influenza would have been everywhere. It took 16 days from the first case (who was diagnosed a week after disembarking) to the tenth case.

16 days after that, 3,700 people locked onto a ship together and there was just shy of 1,000 confirmed cases, a third of which were asymptomatic.

"Lockdown" is probably over egging it a bit. There were reports of people confined to their cabins, but there were very few if any health professionals overseeing the quarantine or guiding policy day-to-day on infection control.

The Diamond Princess in many ways was an experiment in a worst-case scenario, and the infection rate was still less than 30%

Shhhh. Away with your facts!

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 04:59PM

auspicious wrote: »

Dr. Kim Roberts, Ussher Assistant professor at Trinity with expertise in influenza; Microbiology; molecular- biology; Virology; Virology and viral pathogenesis was asked on Prime Time last night if she would go to the Paddy's Day parade?
She replied that she would not take her family to it, citing the large influx of international visitors in close quarters as her reason.
That's good enough for me to follow in her footsteps, or lack thereof.

Boom! Well said. Always good to ask an expert what they are doing as opposed to what they are saying. Very telling.

Tippex · 04-03-2020 05:00PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Stopping the parade is a big decision, it will get global attention and the fallout will last for months as Ireland will be seen as an unsafe destination to the masses.

Mobile world congress was cancleled last month (feb 12th) (due to be on feb 25th to 28th)
ITB was also cancelled last week (was due to be on today until sunday)

Both of them massive events and the decision was made especially MWC before it had such a grip on Italy

There is talk that South by Southwest is going to be cancelled.

04-03-2020 05:00PM

New Home wrote: »

Agreed. During the press conference yesterday it was mention that, as of then, 25856 people had been tested, with a total number of infections (including people who had recovered and people who had died) of 2263 - if the infection is present, the more people you test, the more infections you find.

I stand corrected. The RAI newsreader mentioned that virologists were able to date it to as far back as October in Italy. Although they've isolated it, they're in fact still trying to date the Italian strain, their publication on the Journal of Virology referred to the Chinese strain.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25723

https://www.ohga.it/coronavirus-in-italia-isolato-allospedale-sacco-di-milano-il-ceppo-italiano-del-virus/
https://www.ohga.it/coronavirus-isolato-il-ceppo-italiano-il-professor-zehender-ci-spiega-cosa-si-potra-ottenere-adesso/
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/28/news/coronavirus_studio_italiano_all_oms_epidemia_da_ottobre_contagi_raddoppiati_ogni_4_giorni-249808885/

Your claim was very far away from the actual truth there......

Naggdefy · 04-03-2020 05:00PM

China at well under 1%. I'd imagine people in a certain region in China rarely travel to other provinces anyway. So when you totally isolate the epicentre of an outbreak and shut down the country a lot of your work is done.

Ireland on the other hand is a tiny country with open criss cross travel. It could be from Dublin to Clare in a few hours as it's not much of a journey. Think of all the daily journeys completed in Ireland. Dublin to the commuter belt which covers practically the eastern side of the country has an awful lot of journeys and people contact situations. There are people moving all over the country constantly.

Ireland is incomparable with China.

Fr_Dougal · 04-03-2020 05:01PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not I'm referring to common sense. N95 Masks and above do prevent viral transmission of various pathogens hence their use in a health setting. Their is ample academic research on the topic if you would care to look into.

I think that there is also research that most people wouldn't be able to use effectively. I hate when my face gets itchy so I'd probably scratch it. Then die. So would be ineffective in practice without extensive training. There is also evidence out of china of being infected via eyes. Hence need for goggles or full face respirator.

That is a lot to cover and take a lot of time to verify best believe the nice HSE person.

Of course you could just apply common sense and ask a good question like , "why is everyone who knows anything about this stuff either professionally or personally wearing a mask" Why is every country securing their supply of them. Either we are right and rest of world wrong or rest of world is right and we are wrong.

We don't have masks so best to extend and pretend.

The N95 masks are ineffective against the spread of the virus. You need P3.

saabsaab · 04-03-2020 05:01PM

New Home wrote: »

I feel bad for Galway 2020... The start wasn't good, this isn't going to help one bit.

Opening cancelled, budget problems, resignations and now Corona. It must be cursed.

Scuid Mhór · 04-03-2020 05:02PM

Going ahead with St Patrick's Day can only amount to gross negligent manslaughter. It must be cancelled. if we are still in the containment phase, let us contain it. The lackadaisical Irish attitude akin to "sure, it'll all work out grand" needs to get stamped out immediately. Do not let something as big as that festival turn into a catalyst from which there is no returning.

Kermit.de.frog · 04-03-2020 05:02PM

wakka12 wrote: »

There have been several hundred new cases in EU states in the last 48 hours, it would seem crazy to invite tens of thousands over to Dublin given recent events

It would also look a bit obscene if our country is seen partying in such away given the challenges the world will be facing by the 17th.

Don't think it would look good never mind the health concerns.

Bob24 · 04-03-2020 05:02PM

wakka12 wrote: »

There have been several hundred new cases in EU states in the last 48 hours, it would seem crazy to invite tens of thousands over to Dublin given recent events

99% certainty the parade will be cancelled or severely restricted (if they don’t want to say they are cancelling, they could let the parade itself go ahead but only have a few restricted pre-booked areas for actual in-person viewers, while asking everyone else to watch it on TV, ordering all city centre pubs to close that day, and only allowing access to the city centre to ticket holders and residents of the area).

At this stage letting it go ahead as usual would be utter madness, and even from a selfish perspective no official or politician will want to bear the responsibility.

Naggdefy · 04-03-2020 05:04PM

Absolutely no way will St. Patrick's Day Festival go ahead. The government are huffing and puffing just to be seen to be considering all alternatives. Plus the fact it's 13 days away. I'd bet my life it's already written off.

saabsaab · 04-03-2020 05:04PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The N95 masks are ineffective against the spread of the virus. You need P3.

The P3 or FFP3 is the highest standard but FFP2 is also of use but not 100%

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 05:05PM

quokula wrote: »

"Common Sense" very rarely proves to be more correct than the evidence-based advice of experts.

You could rephrase the same question "why does everybody involved in constructing buildings wear a hard hat yet they don't recommend I wear a hard hat when I'm in a building" - there's a big difference between front line medical staff in a hospital and normal day to day business.

Eh the building isn't finished and still dangerous I'd have to say? Also government has used evidence to try to prevent potential injuries arising from not having protection based on probability.

If we had no hard hats in the morning the government would revert to
It's grand, not hard hat necessary Nothing to do with the fact we don't have them.

Why do other countries mandate it then and we don't? The country who has had the largest exposure to the new virus has made it mandatory when venturing outside.

I'm not a Chinese communist party fanboy for humanitarian reasons but at least they are looking after their people

Fics · 04-03-2020 05:06PM

Sounds like Ireland is taking the American Approach.

No tests unless you've travelled from an effected area or have been in close contact with a confirmed case.

Doesn't bode well for either of us...

https://twitter.com/into_the_brush/status/1234685467682979840?s=19

saabsaab · 04-03-2020 05:07PM

Yes be cancelled or severely restricted. If it progresses as elsewhere we could have up to 20 confirmed cases by then.

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 05:09PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

China at well under 1%. I'd imagine people in a certain region in China rarely travel to other provinces anyway. So when you totally isolate the epicentre of an outbreak and shut down the country a lot of your work is done.

Ireland on the other hand is a tiny country with open criss cross travel. It could be from Dublin to Clare in a few hours as it's not much of a journey. Think of all the daily journeys completed in Ireland. Dublin to the commuter belt which covers practically the eastern side of the country has an awful lot of journeys and people contact situations. There are people moving all over the country constantly.

Ireland is incomparable with China.

City of wuhan population = 11 million?
Ireland = 6.6 million.

approx twice the population of Ireland.

Do you not think they commute?

mlem123 · 04-03-2020 05:09PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Heard it was up on 400, and that was last night

Don't bother, I corrected him earlier but he obviously doesn't care about accuracy

New Home · 04-03-2020 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your claim was very far away from the actual truth there......

If you mean very far as in distance, I agree, but the date was correct.

Bob24 · 04-03-2020 05:11PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The P3 or FFP3 is the highest standard but FFP2 is also of use but not 100%

Yep FFP2 (similar to N95) is also fine, this is what some countries are giving to their nurses and doctors. And if you are going to wear it several hours in a row FFP2 makes js easier to breath and more bearable than FFP3 (you could use an FFP3 one with an exhaust valve to help with breathing, but in a medical context the problem is you are protecting yourself from others, but not others from yourself).

It is FFP1 and simple “surgical masks” which are not sufficient.

Loafing Oaf · 04-03-2020 05:12PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Absolutely no way will St. Patrick's Day Festival go ahead. The government are huffing and puffing just to be seen to be considering all alternatives. Plus the fact it's 13 days away. I'd bet my life it's already written off.

Well the sooner they make the announcement the better to deter people from booking flights.

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