Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 12:29PM

Dante7 wrote: »

Staff at Google returning to work tomorrow. Staff member with flu like symptoms tested negative for Coronavirus.

Where have you seen this? Very important to me as I am currently out of work with flu like symptoms but the HSE won't test me because I haven't been to any of the effected areas or haven't been in contact with anyone with the virus. They are telling me I might or might not have it.

Also my employer is keeping my situation hidden from my colleagues.

joseywhales · 04-03-2020 12:29PM

Our expectations are out of kilter.

Look at history, we have never contained a respiratory contagious disease that I'm aware?

Why would we expect anything different now?

It's really a learning exercise so that someday we might be able to.

Mrcaramelchoc · 04-03-2020 12:31PM

Tordelback wrote: »

Over the past decade or two my old man has managed to get himself diabetes, resultant heart and circulation problems, and is currently being (successfully) treated for cancer. From everything I've read it seems he's almost certain to die from Covid-19 before it's over, probably in the next couple of months.

e.

How could you possibly know this?you are completely overreacting.and if you don't mind me saying so,talking rubbish.
There's no one on the planet can predict with such accuracy what he will die from.
If done right im sure he can be completely protected from covid 19.
I just dont get some peoples pessimism and dooms day approach to this virus.

YFlyer · 04-03-2020 12:32PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Now i aint saying the place is filthy or anything... but its ****in filthy!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/30/rubbish-crisis-triples-demand-for-rat-control-services-in-rome

Sure the local mobsters deal with the rubbish in Naples.

stephenjmcd · 04-03-2020 12:32PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Where have you seen this? Very important to me as I am currently out of work with flu like symptoms but the HSE won't test me because I haven't been to any of the effected areas or haven't been in contact with anyone with the virus. They are telling me I might or might not have it. Also my employer is keeping my situation hidden from my colleagues.

Rte have it.

Well if you've not been in contact with anyone or travelled to an area then they wont be testing

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 12:32PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Nitpick on the last point. If the economy tanks (although by now it's much more when it tanks rather than if), people will die prematurely.

I agree. Markets are pricing the effects in. That's the calculus that is being applied. More people will die if economy crashes. But having a St Patrick's Day parade? FFS

Nobody wants to Die for that (excepted some inebriated tourist in Temple bar)

Downlinz · 04-03-2020 12:33PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Where have you seen this? Very important to me as I am currently out of work with flu like symptoms but the HSE won't test me because I haven't been to any of the effected areas or haven't been in contact with anyone with the virus. They are telling me I might or might not have it. Also my employer is keeping my situation hidden from my colleagues.

This is the kind of avoidable situation that has people so worried. You should be tested immediately and stay at home until the results come out.
Instead HSE aren't interested, employers are willing to take the risk and you have no choice since you need to work to be paid.

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 12:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte have it.

Well if you've not been in contact with anyone or travelled to an area then they wont be testing

He must have been in the effect area or been in contact with someone who has the virus so.

wakka12 · 04-03-2020 12:33PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235178347723968512

pc7 · 04-03-2020 12:34PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235178347723968512

Wonder will the WHO come out and agree or not?

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 12:35PM

Downlinz wrote: »

This is the kind of avoidable situation that has people so worried. You should be tested immediately and stay at home until the results come out.
Instead HSE aren't interested, employers are willing to take the risk and you have no choice since you need to work to be paid.

I am thinking of ringing the HSE and telling them test me or I'm going back to work, the HSE aren't going to pay my mortgage.

frillyleaf · 04-03-2020 12:35PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Have we tested all of those 10-15k arrivals? Absolutely not. We have tested 397 people as of last night. Italy have far underestimated their cases so far - that's very apparent by the huge number of cases they are exporting. Agree with the above post on Italy from Rob A. Bank, Europe needs drastic action now to prevent Wuhan looking like a small cluster in comparison.

Meanwhile we think it's a good idea to have a massive St.Patrick's day parade in Dublin...

Is it bizarre there are zero restrictions on travel to and from heavily infected areas such as Italy even for a few weeks in light of events over the last couple of days? We are an island so one would think this could be very easily implemented for a few weeks even. It would also discourage people flying to heavily infected countries.

I am in no way anxious of the virus itself as thankfully I’m healthy but what about the people who aren’t. In terms of the economy, I would think it would be less financial impact to take a hit now by restricting flights from *heavily affected areas* as opposed to trying to react in three weeks time. Preventive measures rather than reactive is surely easier...

seamus · 04-03-2020 12:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you are over-exaggerating the likelihood of your dad dying.

This. The worst-case figure of 80% that was thrown out by the UK, is what would happen if nobody did anything. If life went on as normal.

Things have already changed, people are already altering their behaviour, governments are (mostly) responding.

80% is not going to happen at this stage.

Even look at China 80,000 confirmed cases, and dropping. That's 1/125th of 1% of the Chinese population. Their final infection count could be 125 times higher and it would still only be 1% of the population.

Italy, despite apparently being rife with it, is still reporting an infection rate half that of China. Granted they're on the up while China is on a downward slope, but we shouldn't go nuts.

At this stage, if this was to infect 3-4% of the world's population, that's probably the pragmatic figure, even slightly pessimistic. 10% would be bad. 80% is way off the charts - "collapse of civilisation as we know it", stuff.

joseywhales · 04-03-2020 12:36PM

pc7 wrote: »

Wonder will the WHO come out and agree or not?

I think it makes no difference now, other government's will follow Germany

mlem123 · 04-03-2020 12:36PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Where have you seen this? Very important to me as I am currently out of work with flu like symptoms but the HSE won't test me because I haven't been to any of the effected areas or haven't been in contact with anyone with the virus. They are telling me I might or might not have it. Also my employer is keeping my situation hidden from my colleagues.

The employee did have contact. If you don't it's very unlikely given the incubation period

Funsterdelux · 04-03-2020 12:36PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenQuinn75/status/1235171186138587137

Q. Are you willing to accept quarantines of cities and towns to manage #coronavirus risk?

Agree:
Vietnam 91%
UK 74%
Italy 60%

It all comes down to the attitude of the people on how we mobilise to contain the spread.

the butcher · 04-03-2020 12:37PM

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1235178507820347392?s=19

touts · 04-03-2020 12:37PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Nearly every country was as quick to ban flights to China before almost any cases had been exported..whats up now? Why everywhere is afraid to ban flights to Italy? It has exported many more cases than China did

It's too late to quarantine Italy. That should have been done 2 weeks ago. Now the virus has spread across Europe and we are just waiting to see the numbers of infected skyrocket as we reach the end of the 14 day incubation period.

The west isn't capable of dealing with a situation like this because people have too many "rights". If we quarantined Italy that would have been a violation of section 174629 subsection 474729 of the whatever European treaty. There would be mega lawsuits and the EU Commission would come down on us like a ton of bricks.

We can't do what China did because we are weaker than they are. Similarly if/when a nuclear power plant blows up in Europe we won't deal with is nearly as effectively of quickly as the Soviets dealt with Chernobyl. We would have a greater disaster of global proportions because the rights of the locals and the staff of the plant will come first.

It will take a disaster for people to realise there has to be a rebalance between rampant rights of the individual and diminishing rights of the greater population. Hopefully Coronavirus will be it. Sadly I fear it will take something far far worse.

Computer Science Student · 04-03-2020 12:37PM

stevek93 wrote: »

I am thinking of ringing the HSE and telling them test me or I'm going back to work, the HSE aren't going to pay my mortgage.

Don't be so selfish. The universe doesn't revolve around you. I despise this attitude. You'd swear you would have no moral objections to spreading the disease to more vulnerable colleagues as long as you can make a lousy mortgage repayment.

SeaBreezes · 04-03-2020 12:37PM

Love this:

https://twitter.com/Pipe2DevNull/status/1235139052313210882

retro:electro · 04-03-2020 12:38PM

The Government need to step in here and outright ban any frivolous travel to Italy such as ski trips and ban any exchange students from entering the country. What are they at? I cared for my terminally ill mother for many years and saw how susceptible and vulnerable she was to any kind of virus. Are the Government asleep at the wheel? People are going to die because some child wanted to go skiing. And it won’t be someone young who has every chance of fighting it. It’ll be someone older who has done all they can to insure they can stay on this planet for as long as possible, and has taken preventative measures to protect themselves. But there’s only so much one person can do, we need a communal effort to help people who are going to find this extreme difficult to fight.

If my mother was still alive now I would be absolutely fuming. And I’m extremely annoyed for those who are immune suppressed and want to live and shouldn’t be seen as expendable because they’re older.

pc7 · 04-03-2020 12:39PM

seamus wrote: »

Even look at China 80,000 confirmed cases, and dropping. That's 1/125th of 1% of the Chinese population. Their final infection count could be 125 times higher and it would still only be 1% of the population.

Did you see the lengths China went to to stall and slow this thing down, it was mammoth, nothing of the sort had been seen before. Quarantine, 40,000 medical staff shipped in. We need to slow it down, best start on this is to cancel large gatherings like Paddys day for starters. We have seen how it grows in countries once the community transmissions start, hell could be doing it here already. My worry since thread 1 on this thing was that it would overwhelm our already struggling health system.

joseywhales · 04-03-2020 12:39PM

the butcher wrote: »

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1235178507820347392?s=19

NOT A MEDICAL EXPERT
I guess that means you have it for life then, like chicken pox

Tordelback · 04-03-2020 12:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think you are over-exaggerating the likelihood of your dad dying. Like "almost certain to die"..... Based on what?.

I would say that it is purely down to whether he - and the thousands like him - get infected or not.

Reading the 72K-person epidemiological study, and the WHO stats, the vast, vast majority of deaths so far are in the elderly and pre-existing conditions bracket. If he gets it, I really can't see him being one of the lucky ones - nor can I see the HSE being able to provide the necessary care in the event of widespread infections. I spent much of Christmas and New Year in hospitals advocating for two elderly relatives on trolleys, and that was just predictable seasonal load.

It all comes down to how infection rates pan out. If folk like my Dad get caught up in this, all the evidence is that they will die, and I really don't see that as an irrational reading.

gabeeg · 04-03-2020 12:39PM

Lads, if we're banning flights from Italy, what are we going to do about the likes of Germany, France, Spain and the USA?

Never mind iran.

If closing our borders is the way to go then it has to be to pretty much everywhere, and it will be hugely painful

mlem123 · 04-03-2020 12:40PM

stevek93 wrote: »

I am thinking of ringing the HSE and telling them test me or I'm going back to work, the HSE aren't going to pay my mortgage.

Why the attitude?

I know someone working on the hotline for this and she says how frustrating it is wasting time arguing with people who demand testing when they haven't had contact or been abroad etc. It wastes time for them to get to people who are actually sick

wakka12 · 04-03-2020 12:40PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenQuinn75/status/1235171186138587137

Q. Are you willing to accept quarantines of cities and towns to manage #coronavirus risk?

Agree:
Vietnam 91%
UK 74%
Italy 60%

It all comes down to the attitude of the people on how we mobilise to contain the spread.

Astounded that 3/4 of Brits would be up for quaratine, thought itd be more like 10%

Cilldara_2000 · 04-03-2020 12:41PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I agree. Markets are pricing the effects in. That's the calculus that is being applied. More people will die if economy crashes. But having a St Patrick's Day parade? FFS

Nobody wants to Die for that (excepted some inebriated tourist in Temple bar)

It's not an easy call. I wouldn't like to be the person/group responsible for making the decision.

Tourism all over Italy has completely fallen through the floor: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/pictures-impact-coronavirus-italy-tourism-200303070614911.html

Irish tourism is worth €8bn to 9€bn. Take that out of our economy, and it would certainly take a big hit over the year if St Patrick's day is cancelled due to perceptions abroad, and you'll get deaths due to the inevitable recession.

On the flip side, surely the tourism industry all over the world is going take a huge hit this year so cancelling St Patrick's day wouldn't necessarily have a big impact.

I'd imagine it will be cancelled in due course. It's unlikely that the current two cases will be the only cases. As the number of cases increase, the pressure for sensible precautions will increase.

Particularly given the already demonstrated slowness in contact tracing, EG the up to two days to contact the other band members.

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 12:41PM

Computer Science Student wrote: »

Don't be so selfish. The universe doesn't revolve around you. I despise this attitude. You'd swear you would have no moral objections to spreading the disease to more vulnerable colleagues as long as you can make a lousy mortgage repayment.

I am not actually going to work relax the threat of me visiting my work place may prompt the HSE to test me which will most likely be negative so I can get back to work. Anyone with flu like symptoms should be tested IMO.

Dave0301 · 04-03-2020 12:41PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Astounded that 3/4 of Brits would be up for quaratine, thought itd be more like 10%

They voted for Brexit...this is the next logical step for some of them :pac:

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP