Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Straffan1979 wrote: »

This has likely been in America for 6 + weeks now is my understanding of this and in reality Europe too.

What you’re seeing now is an acceptance you can’t stop this.

The fear comes from the unknown obviously and with that wild speculation.

Spanish flu 1918 crossed the US in 4 days they estimated back then- well before mass air travel.

This is already here... we’ll contract it and we will recover- we may die but you may die from influenza you catch tomorrow too.

But clearly what we’re seeing from governments is a concerted effort to contain and slow down and reduce the peak of the virus. If it was just like the flu they’d probably just let it run through. Instead they’re shutting down their economies and locking up entire population groups. They need to contain panic, which can have as bad an impact as a virus, but their calming words are a little at odds with the entire unprecedented actions that they are taking in response to the virus. We have never, ever seen cities the world over on lockdown in multiple countries at the same time, with governments from democracies to dictatorships taking roughly the same steps.

Judge me by what I do and not what I say and all that. Still, goes to show how quickly humans can be accepting of changing circumstances - if you read an article a year ago about governments locking down cities and air travel grinding to a halt regionally etc etc you’d have thought it pretty extraordinary. Now a lot of folks think “sure it’s the wuflu, be grand.” Meanwhile government agencies are going 90...

Nijmegen wrote: »

But clearly what we’re seeing from governments is a concerted effort to contain and slow down and reduce the peak of the virus. If it was just like the flu they’d probably just let it run through. Instead they’re shutting down their economies and locking up entire population groups. They need to contain panic, which can have as bad an impact as a virus, but their calming words are a little at odds with the entire unprecedented actions that they are taking in response to the virus. We have never, ever seen cities the world over on lockdown in multiple countries at the same time, with governments from democracies to dictatorships taking roughly the same steps.

Judge me by what I do and not what I say and all that. Still, goes to show how quickly humans can be accepting of changing circumstances - if you read an article a year ago about governments locking down cities and air travel grinding to a halt regionally etc etc you’d have thought it pretty extraordinary. Now a lot of folks think “sure it’s the wuflu, be grand.” Meanwhile government agencies are going 90...

Governments are me and you and Governments around the world for the last 10-15 years are increasingly run through ‘post truth’ politics- it’s mass appeals to emotion and the facts get lost and the same will happen here.

We gave a problem- mass anxiety,fear, hysteria is the biggest threat atm... that’s from the article I linked - I think it’s sobering-

...’fear, if based upon rumor or irresponsible speculation rather than knowledge, can be irrational and deadly if it leads to a distrust of healthcare authorities and worse yet hopelessness. If we distrust healthcare authorities, we are less likely to be compliant with critical recommendations that could curb the contagion of the virus. Thus more people would become infected and potentially die. If a sense of hopelessness descends we become numb, economic systems collapse, and once again we become medically non-compliant. In short we lose the greatest strength we have, our humanity...’

otnomart wrote: »

This study is from 2012: The variability of critical care bed numbers in Europe

Ireland at about half the capacity of Italy...

Nijmegen wrote: »

The Chinese were screaming blue murder in January about travel restrictions. Now they’re actively starting to restrict travel themselves and asking their overseas citizens to do the same. Gas.

I can imagine the Chinese are looking at the rest of the world and saying WTF ... we should not be in a position to import cases from Italy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Ireland at about half the capacity of Italy...

What's the difference on a per thousand patients?

Nijmegen wrote: »

The Chinese were screaming blue murder in January about travel restrictions. Now they’re actively starting to restrict travel themselves and asking their overseas citizens to do the same. Gas.

Difference between political driven rhetoric and pragmatism.

TBH it was always clear that any decent government should have ignored their complaints then.

Mind you, European governments are no different. For their own political reasons they have also been saying incoming travel restrictions are neither usefully not required. But I think we might see them changing that tune in the coming weeks depending on how the situation evolves. Their excuse for changing tune will be that they are adapting to changing circumstances (China could say the same), but governing is meant to be about being proactive rather than reactive whenever possible.

megatron989 wrote: »

At this stage it'd be like closing the windows on a sunken ship. Little late. Chances are that this virus is circulating here and has been a week or more. Only a matter of time till we see the exponential growth in cases that other states are seeing. Imo.

But if we keep refusing to test anyone with symptoms then we cant get any growth in cases.

Nijmegen wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/euro-2020-games-dublin-shane-ross-5029444-Mar2020/

Article here on the Euro 2020 games and also referencing the rugby. Amazes me how many times the few quid is mentioned. What’s the impact to Irish tourism of a wide outbreak and getting like Rome, with its 90% hotel cancellation rates and flights from the US being curtailed?

Same as that professor scary gown on claire byrne lastnight. Sport and tourism are leisure activities for the most part, we can all live without them, in fact we have for 99% of our spiecies existence. But then theyll say the sporting bodies will miss out in Xmillions, oh will those Xmillions be able to resurect Mrs Granny Smith because her grandkid was at an event and passed the virus on to her?

Everything becomes a business in the end, it all gets absorbed into the borg.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Guys, I am with some friends here - Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Draky Lakey, Goosey Loosey and Turkey Lurky - we are off to see the King, we have some important news ? who's with us ?

very good sir

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101

Possible vaccine in 90 days.

I understand the urgency, but I’d be amazed if they get US and EU approval in 90 days for widespread use of a chicken vaccine that, by their own admission, hasn’t been through human trials. No doubt it is a good start, but the experience with the swine flu vaccine (causing narcolepsy in some patients) would make a lot of people cautious about necking some untested, new vaccine

Hector Savage wrote: »

Guys, I am with some friends here - Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Draky Lakey, Goosey Loosey and Turkey Lurky - we are off to see the King, we have some important news ? who's with us ?

Foxy loxy’s got your back!

Hector Savage wrote: »

Another young doctor dies in China

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1234743201770008577?s=20

It's very strange, young and would have been in hazmat gear, is the strain in wuhan particularly strong ?

Course it is. I’d say the Italian strain isn’t far behind. Remember these poor feckers are exhausted, not eating regularly and in coronavirus ground zero. It only takes a lapse of concentration to not remove the hazmat suit properly or not fit it correctly. Poor fellas they’re literally giving their lives to help others, and we’re here going ah sure be grand......

pjohnson wrote: »

But if we keep refusing to test anyone with symptoms then we cant get any growth in cases.

eddie murphy meme