Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

expectationlost · 02-03-2020 10:49PM

would it be tempting faith to say i can't remember ever having a fever( probably did as very young kid)

Deep_learning · 02-03-2020 10:50PM

Andre Spoiled Lacrosse wrote: »

Your posts are a combination of condescending insults and stupidity. A couple of other people have already explained the very simple maths that you got wrong. I hope you aren't really a doctor.

And, more importantly, you expose Andre Spoiled Lacrosse as a fool...

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2020 10:51PM

tuxy wrote: »

I believe they are from various unverified posters replying to the BNO Newsroom twitter.

Some not all.

Only actual data is posted not makey uppy or agenda setting data.

odyssey06 · 02-03-2020 10:52PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Hmmm, I wonder is the higher death rate in American due to a higher immune system through standard of living? God, that is so racist and western centric, but you do wonder. As in, more people are fighting it, but it is hitting more vulnerable people in general if that makes any sense.

At this stage its because it has a cluster in a nursing home... so a mini cruise ship almost, which is distorting figures.

They havent run enough tests to know more than that.

TheValeyard · 02-03-2020 10:53PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Comrades, corona is actually healing people through the power of Russia!

The word Comrade really is an awesome word.

Jeff2 · 02-03-2020 10:53PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Your posts are just what is needed. A nitpick. This 2019 report from the HSE/HSPC states "Approx. 200-500 deaths each year due to influenza – up to 1,000 could die during a particularly severe flu season". Just wondering how accurate your 120 figure is?

Thing is one could die from pneumonia after getting the flu. This might not be noted as dying from flu.

TTLF · 02-03-2020 10:54PM

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

odyssey06 · 02-03-2020 10:54PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

The word Comrade really is an awesome word.

It is most awesome word. Comrade.

Pseudonym121 · 02-03-2020 10:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No country has enough ventilation to cope with a widespread epidemic. Expecting it is just typical Irish entitlement.

Absolutely true.

P.s. As regards the ‘listen to the man posts” referring to me. Ladies can be Consultants too boys. 😎

@blud - oops. That’s what I get for tapping the message into my phone vs waiting till I got home. My apologies for the lack of clarity. To be fair though I think those with issues with it were determined to see what they wished to see irrespective.

@moriarty - thanks for the info. I think different sources give different numbers which often confuses the matter when discussing these sorts of things publicly.

@seabreezes - I don’t have an accurate count but far less than would be needed if this spreads as it almost certainly will. This is the same for any country you care to mention. China only got so many ventilators into Wuhan by stripping elsewhere. Lots of people will be dying in those other provinces for want of ventilators but the PR of lowering Coronavirus deaths means better to have them die from something else in another province. People don’t think of these second order effects.

We have a lot more than 12 but I don’t know exact numbers and if I estimate some people will nitpick it to show I’m wrong and thus everything else I’ve said can be discounted. Hence I’ll stick to facts and reasonable extrapolation, I’m sure you can understand.

Re: immunity. Coronaviruses mutate so rapidly that frequently catching it once doesn’t confer immunity. There have been quite a few cases of apparent reinfection unfortunately.

gmisk · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Hmmm, I wonder is the higher death rate in American due to a higher immune system through standard of living? God, that is so racist and western centric, but you do wonder. As in, more people are fighting it, but it is hitting more vulnerable people in general if that makes any sense.

I thought the age profile of the US cases were fairly old? Might have read that wrong though.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

There is lots of info of course on the WHO website and plenty of bedtime reading

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

all about the mane · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

I’d be amazed if there’s not more cases. But I don’t really see any reason to panic.

ChikiChiki · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

Without a shadow of a doubt.

froog · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

testing clusterf*ck in the US;

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161693/cdc-coronavirus-testing-numbers-website-disappear-expansion-us

there is likely thousands of cases in the US right now.

odyssey06 · 02-03-2020 10:56PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

It would be a beneficient miracle if we escaped with only one...
I think you would get very long odds on single case.

Pseudonym121 · 02-03-2020 10:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Tough call, I'm sure it cost a lot of money.

I would be more concerned about earthquakes and tsunamis in Japan TBH. I'd say their health service is ace, given they are so efficient in most things, just an educated guess.

The bigger concern is going through multiple airports or even one! But frequent hand washing and those hand gels will help. It seems that airplane air is actually not that bad judging by what I've read.

The thing to do is watch the stats from Japan. If cases are receding I would go.

But really, the call is hers and her future husband isn't it?

By mid-April there will be travel advisories which should allow her to cancel without penalty. In fact they’ll be here long before then.

Tootsie_1 · 02-03-2020 10:57PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

foolish to think there is only one person in Ireland infected look at how it spread in South Korea ... 1 person spread it to over 1,000 people patient 31 just wait there will be more in the coming days

saabsaab · 02-03-2020 10:58PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

Hypothetically there could be dozens at this stage. If that's the case two weeks should show many more confirmed.

TTLF · 02-03-2020 10:59PM

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

foolish to think there is only one person in Ireland infected look at how it spread in South Korea ... 1 person spread it to over 1,000 people patient 31 just wait there will be more in the coming days

was just curious, as schools have been telling us today they might be closing as soon as HSE gives the word, or if anyone affiliated w/ the school has it..

Yeah there's 100% more than 1 person in Dublin atleast with it, no doubt there.

igCorcaigh · 02-03-2020 10:59PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Absolutely true.

P.s. As regards the ‘listen to the man posts” referring to me. Ladies can be Consultants too boys. ðŸ˜Ž

@blud - oops. That’s what I get for tapping the message into my phone vs waiting till I got home. My apologies for the lack of clarity. To be fair though I think those with issues with it were determined to see what they wished to see irrespective.

@moriarty - thanks for the info. I think different sources give different numbers which often confuses the matter when discussing these sorts of things publicly.

@seabreezes - I don’t have an accurate count but far less than would be needed if this spreads as it almost certainly will. This is the same for any country you care to mention. China only got so many ventilators into Wuhan by stripping elsewhere. Lots of people will be dying in those other provinces for want of ventilators but the PR of lowering Coronavirus deaths means better to have them die from something else in another province. People don’t think of these second order effects.

We have a lot more than 12 but I don’t know exact numbers and if I estimate some people will nitpick it to show I’m wrong and thus everything else I’ve said can be discounted. Hence I’ll stick to facts and reasonable extrapolation, I’m sure you can understand.

Re: immunity. Coronaviruses mutate so rapidly that frequently catching it once doesn’t confer immunity. There have been quite a few cases of apparent reinfection unfortunately.

What about those ECMO machines?

skimpydoo · 02-03-2020 10:59PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Any body else wonder why many of our reporters aren't asking relevant searching questions on this topic on TV etc?

Like for example why aren't more tests being done, like in Italy etc. etc.

Maybe because they know that they will be lied to.

Spanish Eyes · 02-03-2020 11:00PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

There are lots more people in Ireland

But I think there will be more confirmed cases of C19 as the days and weeks go on, it's kind of inevitable, and even Harris hinted at it. But with my optimistic hat on we can only hope that the virus' travel towards us may have weakened it somewhat.

There is an isolation unit prepped (and possibly with patients) as we speak in the Mater, yep in the centre of Dublin. But I suppose that's where the expertise is.

Let's hope for the best, but I won't be a bit surprised if more cases are announced. But will be VERY relieved if not.

amadangomor · 02-03-2020 11:01PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

The word Comrade really is an awesome word.

All my odd socks have lost their comrades

Ninthlife · 02-03-2020 11:01PM

Any update from the poster who has a child in the school on lockdown.

Be interested to know more of the meeting

seamus · 02-03-2020 11:02PM

TTLF wrote: »

besides the confirmed case, do you think there's more people in ireland? or just that 1 poor kid

(hypothetically speaking)

There's undoubtedly more. Strong possibility that he's not the first, just the first to come to anyone's attention.

The stats are suggesting that for most people the symptoms are mild to moderate, and not too far removed from seasonal flu or a bad cold.

People have been coughing and spluttering since early December, it was on the news about how bad this year's 'flu season was with half of pupils out sick in some schools.

So I have no doubt that some people have had symptoms and written it off as the cold they couldn't shake, or just a bit of a dose.

gozunda · 02-03-2020 11:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/europe/italy-coronavirus.html

But according to the Health Ministry, Lombardy has also carried out swab tests on people who are more likely to have come into contact with infected people, even if they have no symptoms themselves.

Experts at the World Health Organization and Italy’s Health Ministry said in interviews that it was possible that Lombardy had created an inflated perception of the threat by including in case totals people who tested positive for the virus but who had not gotten sick. But many scientists say that attempting to track even mild cases of the virus is essential to containing its spread....

Hence today's apparent drop in new cases.

Not sure it achieved as much as the politicians wanted - it's still +342 for the day and 18 new deaths.

Can only push so much under the rug.

I really cannot understand the logic of not including those who have tested positive for the virus (but who may not have gotten sick) in case totals.

For an accurate picture of the rate of infection - it is necessary to include all those diagnosed with the disease.

Tbh the change in calculation is little better than the extremely proscriptive criteria for testing here - which effectively rules out anyone who has not visited an area with an outbreak or been in close contact with someone known to have been Infected.

God help anyone who gets infected but doesn't meet these specific criteria - as the logic appears to be that it simply couldn't happen ...

Spanish Eyes · 02-03-2020 11:03PM

froog wrote: »

testing clusterf*ck in the US;

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161693/cdc-coronavirus-testing-numbers-website-disappear-expansion-us

there is likely thousands of cases in the US right now.

I don't want a ban, and I don't want anymore people to die from this in the US, but I have to say if this means Trump has to answer for cutting CDC funding, I'll take that.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-03-2020 11:04PM

A chap on the BBC this morning said the uk would expect it to double every single week.
A rough game of finger sums (x40 1st March), indicates x2 million by June there.

Ideally there would be a big heatwave in May and dry up all this spilt bottle of corona stuff.

tuxy · 02-03-2020 11:05PM

gozunda wrote: »

I really cannot understand the logic not including those who have tested positive for the virus (but who may not have gotten sick) in case totals.

For an accurate picture of the rate of infection - it is necessary to include all those diagnosed with the disease.

Tbh the change in calculation is little better than the extremly proscriptive criteria for testing here - which effectively rules out anyone who has not visited an area with an outbreak or been in close contact with someone known to have been Infected.

God help anyone who gets infected but doesn't meet thse specific criteria - as the logic appears to be that it simply couldn't happen ...

Yes it's very odd and doing this will give an inaccurate inflated fatality rate.
Not sure what the motive is behind that.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2020 11:05PM

If you could be bothered watching...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234600507953553409

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP