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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #4412
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    channaigh wrote: »
    So if you had flights booked to go to Amsterdam on Friday for the weekend would you go asking for a friend :))

    Covid19 is the least dangerous virus you'd pick up there.


  • #4413
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Stheno wrote: »
    Sorry that doesn't add up for me

    In a population 1/60th the size we have approx. 120 flu deaths a year.

    So with 60 times the population surely the figure would be 120x60 = 7200?

    Still significantly lower than 36000

    IF the US had as good results as Ireland....that's their point.


  • #4414
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Speak Now wrote: »
    Worded wrong I'd say he meant if we had the same death rate from flu we'd be at 600 instead of 120. Makes sense if you crunch his USA numbers.

    That makes sense


  • #4415
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's a break from the never ending climate change chat all the same.

    Well, I was always complaining about the never ending Brexit chat. I'd long for that now instead of this sh!t.


  • #4416
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I thought I heard Italy were changing their test criteria recently, anyone know how long ago that was?

    Yes, looks like it kicked in today.

    From now on counting only those with symptoms.


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  • #4417
    Candamir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    HSE getting their figures wrong, you'd have thought that eh.

    Ffs give it a rest would you.

    Enough ****e to wade through in this thread as it is.

    (Apologies for contributing to more irrelevant posts)


  • #4418
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    No, it implies that the Irish population is 1/60th of the size of America’s population. 36,000/60= 600. 327/60 =5.5 million approximately. I rounded to keep things simple.

    In my job, as you might imagine, precision is important. Precision and accuracy are also important in dealing with people rushing to judgement without facts and/or a basic grasp of maths, epidemiology and disease processes etc.
    Your posts are a combination of condescending insults and stupidity. A couple of other people have already explained the very simple maths that you got wrong. I hope you aren't really a doctor.


  • #4419
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Candamir wrote: »
    Ffs give it a rest would you.

    Enough ****e to wade through in this thread as it is.

    (Apologies for contributing to more irrelevant posts)

    Report button if any issues

    Regards, Luke


  • #4420
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Hurrache wrote: »
    If anything it'll save them money if they already have the infrastructure, software licensing etc in place. Close the office down and their heating and lighting usage is down, particularly at this time of the year

    Fair points. Would love to debate but I suppose that would be going off topic but definitely there is pros and cons to each side


  • #4421
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Monkeynut wrote: »
    Italy new cases
    36a24b91b90f811ae2f62e7d2144c032d874161c.png
    Oh so less new cases today? That might be a good sign hopefully...


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  • #4422
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    It seems that epidemiology and statistics are not strong points here. I’ll explain the maths and conclusions in fuller detail going from USA to Ireland and then vice versa.

    The US has approx 300 million people and has 36,000 deaths per year from flu. This equates to 120 deaths from flu per million people. So for 5 million Americans there are 600 deaths from flu.

    Ireland has roughly 5 million people and has 120 deaths per year from flu.

    The difference in those two numbers, 480 dead people per 5 million citizens is the number of people who die in America for that population size per year from flu vs Ireland.

    The reason, I believe, and there is much evidence to support this on pubmed ( a database of published research) is that those 480 people die largely due to limited access to quality healthcare by people who are without or with only poor quality healthcare in America.


    This confusion over some very simple statistics and maths is also part of the reason why information flow is managed and presented in manageable chunks. Most people are simply not trained or experienced to manipulate epidemiological data and draw the correct conclusions. Sending out the raw data ASAP would lead to people doing the sums wrong, drawing the wrongs conclusions and great problems.

    I am not posting this to have conflict with any posters but simply to elucidate the maths behind the statements I made.

    As a country Ireland will do better than the vast majority of the world due to our healthcare system. Also when we count the death toll at the end there will be a significant portion of doctors and nurses there because they stayed at their posts to care for people with Coronavirus instead of scaremongering. If necessary I’ll be one of them.

    You might consider thinking about that, calming down and allowing us to do our jobs and help you and those you care about if and when you become ill.

    With respect.


  • #4423
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    any idea why the bbc is saying there are only 39 cases in the uk whereas everywhere else seems to be saying 40?


  • #4424
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • #4425
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    No, it implies that the Irish population is 1/60th of the size of America’s population. 36,000/60= 600. 327/60 =5.5 million approximately. I rounded to keep things simple.

    In my job, as you might imagine, precision is important. Precision and accuracy are also important in dealing with people rushing to judgement without facts and/or a basic grasp of maths, epidemiology and disease processes etc.

    What area do you work in? Sounds interesting! Thanks for the informative post !


  • #4426
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    channaigh wrote: »
    So if you had flights booked to go to Amsterdam on Friday for the weekend would you go asking for a friend :))

    No, this would be a rather sub-optimal choice to make at this time ;)


  • #4427
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Yes, looks like it kicked in today.

    From now on counting only those with symptoms.

    What's the point in that?


  • #4428
    megabomberman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭megabomberman


    brick tamland wrote: »
    He not posting for a while after the sensibke post from the HSE consultant above makes all his HSE criiticim look daft

    It was a great post, and the dye is cast, it's time to pull together.


  • #4429
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can't help but question the people who medically head the HSE. Who preside over the yearly flu/hospital/vomiting bugs in our first world hospitals. Who are ultimately responsible for babies being treated on floors. Who have 1 of the largest health budgets in the world per capita but incorrectly diagnose young women. I don't trust the competence of the HSE with this virus.
    The Irish health budget is far from ‘one of the largest in the world’

    We spend about 5% of GDP on health expenditure, 2% lower than the EU average

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.GHED.GD.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true

    About half of the French and German spending and the HSE budget includes a lot of social work and social care that in most other jurisdictions would come out of a separate budget

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4430
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    gmisk wrote: »
    Oh so less new cases today? That might be a good sign hopefully...
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Yes, looks like it kicked in today.

    From now on counting only those with symptoms.

    Related?


  • #4431
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    laurah591 wrote:
    Does this include nurses aged 55+ ? would there age place them in a high risk group?
    I don't know. I imagine if it comes to that, local management would decide who can be deployed and who cant.
    Beasty wrote:
    Heard they are charging around $3,500 for tests in the US. Don't know how much they cost to do, but it may well not be very cheap
    It is definitely not cheap.


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  • #4432
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    bb12 wrote: »
    any idea why the bbc is saying there are only 39 cases in the uk whereas everywhere else seems to be saying 40?

    Sometimes the Empire forgets about unimportant Nothern Ireland.


  • #4433
    killbillvol2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    I don't think any reasonable person is saying it's a cover up. My sense though is that the Irish public would like to be treated like adults and not kids. The public should be fully informed and in a position to make their own judgement as to socialising, education, work & travel etc. There's a bit of a paternalistic streak in the Irish health system, good and all as it may be, that is counter productive.

    A perhaps incomplete analogy would be for Met Eireann only to tell some communities of a storm heading their way and keeping the rest in the dark.

    Unfortunately a significant portion of the public are too stupid to deal with such information. I cite this thread. QED


  • #4434
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    gmisk wrote: »
    Oh so less new cases today? That might be a good sign hopefully...
    May it be because they have started testing only those with symptoms?


  • #4435
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    The only problem with it is that it doesn't mention the severity of the problems countries have with their health system if there is even moderate spread (South Korea, China, Iran).

    Dr Michael Ryan of the WHO warned "It doesn't matter what country you're in this disease will stretch your health system". Which is putting it mildly.

    Before China put in the bans, that stretch caused near collapse of the system. They had to fly in 40,000 health care workers and lock down to get things back from the brink.

    So if we are talking about accepting its spread, we have to understand how quickly it causes serious problems in the system.

    We aren’t prepared for this nor are we taking it seriously enough imo. It will be too late in s few weeks to contain it as we aren’t restricting travel inwards from affected areas. I wonder if this is why it has spread so quick in Italy?


  • #4436
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.ruv.is/frett/thrir-til-vidbotar-greindir-med-covid-19-smit-a-islandi
    6 people in Iceland now with the virus, all because of travel to Northern Italy


  • #4437
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Found this chart to follow for Ireland's cases

    pDd30Hp.png

    https://i.imgur.com/pDd30Hp.png


  • #4438
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    gabeeg wrote: »
    What's the point in that?

    Because it's politically better and this is Italy.

    They were giving out that the northern regions were going too far and demanded a change in the counting methodology.


  • #4439
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    The only problem with it is that it doesn't mention the severity of the problems countries have with their health system if there is even moderate spread (South Korea, China, Iran).
    ...
    Before China put in the bans, that stretch caused near collapse of the system.
    So if we are talking about accepting its spread, we have to understand how quickly it causes serious problems in the system.

    You are correct. Once all the ventilators are used up there will be a large spike in deaths as people who might have lived if ventilated cannot be ventilated.

    It is impossible for any country to have sufficient ventilators to save everyone who will require them during a pandemic. This is simply a fact of life and even with unlimited money it will not be possible to procure sufficient ventilators at this stage.

    People will die because of their lack. This is objective reality and we need to get used to it.


  • #4440
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    No, it implies that the Irish population is 1/60th of the size of America’s population. 36,000/60= 600. 327/60 =5.5 million approximately. I rounded to keep things simple.

    In my job, as you might imagine, precision is important. Precision and accuracy are also important in dealing with people rushing to judgement without facts and/or a basic grasp of maths, epidemiology and disease processes etc.

    Just beautiful . Thank you


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  • #4441
    hurikane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭hurikane


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    It seems that epidemiology and statistics are not strong points here. I’ll explain the maths and conclusions in fuller detail going from USA to Ireland and then vice versa.

    The US has approx 300 million people and has 36,000 deaths per year from flu. This equates to 120 deaths from flu per million people. So for 5 million Americans there are 600 deaths from flu.

    Ireland has roughly 5 million people and has 120 deaths per year from flu.

    The difference in those two numbers, 480 dead people per 5 million citizens is the number of people who die in America for that population size per year from flu vs Ireland.

    The reason, I believe, and there is much evidence to support this on pubmed ( a database of published research) is that those 480 people die largely due to limited access to quality healthcare by people who are without or with only poor quality healthcare in America.


    This confusion over some very simple statistics and maths is also part of the reason why information flow is managed and presented in manageable chunks. Most people are simply not trained or experienced to manipulate epidemiological data and draw the correct conclusions. Sending out the raw data ASAP would lead to people doing the sums wrong, drawing the wrongs conclusions and great problems.

    I am not posting this to have conflict with any posters but simply to elucidate the maths behind the statements I made.

    As a country Ireland will do better than the vast majority of the world due to our healthcare system. Also when we count the death toll at the end there will be a significant portion of doctors and nurses there because they stayed at their posts to care for people with Coronavirus instead of scaremongering. If necessary I’ll be one of them.

    You might consider thinking about that, calming down and allowing us to do our jobs and help you and those you care about if and when you become ill.

    With respect.

    With respect, go back and read your first post on this thread.

    You’re embarrassing yourself.


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