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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #902
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwk1ko6ceQ


  • #903
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,227 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Seriously? 100,000,000 worldwide in 2020? That's a step up from the 45,000,000 I read yesterday.

    You're the first Yes/Yes. I admire your honesty.

    8 billion people in the world. 2% fatality is 160 million.

    And if they come back as a zombie and get it again, that’s another 160 million deaths

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #904
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Xertz wrote: »
    To be quite honest I don’t think panic and hysteria are typical of Ireland. Quite the opposite: we tend to go into “ah it’ll be grand” mode and sarcastic complacency.

    I wouldn’t rate Ireland’s level of panic on an online forum thread.

    I’ve seen zero evidence of panic buying, one person on a bus was wearing a mask. People are still going out. The streets and shops are still booming away with normal shopping. People are going to restaurants, pubs, cinemas etc etc ...

    We basically cancelled one rugby match with fans likely to be travelling from a high risk area and plenty of people thought that was a vast over reaction.

    So, as for our tendency toward hysteria?! Seems quite the opposite to me.

    People need to voice their concerns and this is a safe place to do it. We need to realise this and be ......kind. Sorry wrong word but you know what I mean. it helps to defuse and helps folk with situations we know little of to cope. I have a feeling that the ones scorning and accusing of panic buying are the ones having most trouble coming to terms with all this? As if taking any action makes it unbearably real?


  • #905
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    Cheltenham 11/10 to be cancelled.


  • #906
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Just read a little there on South Korea apparently deploying drive through testing. Pretty simple/clever idea for minimizing possible spread.



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  • #907
    [Deleted User]
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    PhantomHat wrote: »
    Denial is one of the ways some people 'process' this. It is a sort of self preservation

    It is indeed one way to cope. When her husband was dying of cancer at a hospital in the 1960s, my aunt was in total denial, right up until he had actually passed away. He hadn’t made a will, and my mother took the step of getting a solicitor to his bed so that his wife and children would be protected as he had been married before, widowed, and had a child and grandchild, I think. My aunt lived a considerable distance from the hospital and didn’t have a car, even phone calls had to be made through an exchange that was on strike at the time. My school was beside the hospital and Mum used to bring me to visit him (no child minders then either) on way home from school, when visiting time was. Even I, as a 4 year old, could see he was dying, and Mum explained it to me in a non-scary way. My aunt, when she got visiting, kept telling me “uncle is going to get better”, she actually did cope very well and matter-of-factly when he did die. She wasn’t in a position to keep coming in to visit with the lack of transport, and it was her way of dealing with a situation she could do little about.


  • #908
    1641
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    gozunda wrote: »

    That said any age group can become infected. Experts estimate that up to 60% of the worlds population could potentially contract the illness

    Those with existing conditions are found in all age groups. Young children (under 9 years) of age can also contract the Virus. Some of these children were found to have suffered complications such as lung damage. However there have been no recorded deaths in this age group to date.


    I read somewhere that the biggest spreaders may well be those with very mild symptoms. They may not even realise that they have anything more than a cold and freely circulate socially.


  • #909
    Dotsie~tmp
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    F921-EC7-A-61-CF-4-B7-B-8-B7-D-F24-EDCDACE7-A.jpg

    Some good news. Finally. My sister was the head on an intensive anal oil care unit in the US if any girls need a hand with it.



  • #910
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    1641 wrote: »
    Sorry if this link has already been posted. Very interesting article by an expert on global epidemics, Dr Jonathan Quick . Unfortunately he is not overly optimistic that the world will manage to contain this outbreak. Very level headed about possible responses though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/the-worst-case-scenario-for-coronavirus-dr-jonathan-quick-q-and-a-laura-spinney

    Dunno. I thought the article was relatively optimistic.


  • #911
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    What a strange story.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: South Korea sect leader to face homicide probe over deaths
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51695649

    Not really strange, the leader specially told them to self infect and then told them to go and spread it.
    There the main cause of infection in South Korea


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  • #912
    BanditLuke
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    The flu comparison is actually getting popular. Its among adults too which is astonishing. This is genuinely worrying because these people could end up doing the stupidest actions possible when/if infected

    You are going to hear a lot of this kind of "it's no worse than the flu" talk now. The narrative has to be set for the business community and tourism sector. Greed is a terrible thing.

    For what it's worth i think we will see absolute carnage on the stock markets tomorrow and all through next week as the realisation of what's happening hits home.

    I got widely ridiculed on here few weeks back for suggesting this had the potential to collapse the world economy and i see no evidence to the contrary of that. I sincerely hope im wrong.


  • #913
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    gozunda wrote: »
    Here are the current stats by age for death

    3r1x52.jpg

    That said any age group can become infected. Experts estimate that up to 60% of the worlds population could potentially contract the illness

    Those with existing conditions are found in all age groups. Young children (under 9 years) of age can also contract the Virus. Some of these children were found to have suffered complications such as lung damage. However there have been no recorded deaths in this age group to date.

    Thank you, that's informative.

    We're blessed with low cfr in young people.
    I worry about our elderly.

    Both of my parents are in their 70s


  • #914
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Why does it bother you so much?

    If people go out and do a big weekly shop, or even getting enough groceries so that they don't have to return to the shops for two weeks, rather than making multiple trips over and over again for little bits and pieces, where is the harm?

    They are decreasing their chances of interacting and being close to random people. no harm in that. Quite sensible really. And more efficient than making multiple trips anyway. I think that a lot of people just got out of the habit of doing a weekly shop because it is so handy to drive down to the late-opening Tesco as you need it rather than plan.

    Great post; thank you. I get a delivery every 2 weeks only. You get organised to make sure you are well stocked so if the weather closes in....


  • #915
    igCorcaigh
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    ZX7R wrote: »
    Not really strange, the leader specially told them to self infect and then told them to go and spread it.
    There the main cause of infection in South Korea

    Yes, that's what I mean by strange.


  • #916
    PhoenixParker
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ok let's put this flu comparison to bed. We know flu and Covid19 are 2 different virus families with different mortality rates. However I asked this question before and none of the experts here answered.

    Q1. Does anyone here think that the new coronavirus will kill more people worldwide than the influenza did in 2018/2019 as per the numbers above?

    Not shoulda-woulda-coulda. Not possibly/can/maybe. Not different shark talk. Future tense prediction based entirely on numbers.

    Q1. Does anyone here think that the new coronavirus will kill more people worldwide than the influenza did in 2018/2019 as per the numbers above?

    You can use 2019/2020 flu season numbers if you wish. I know one lad predicted 45,000,000 deaths yesterday but I am not sure if that was in 1 year.


    And Q2 for those that are able to answer Q1;

    Q2. Does anyone predict that the Covid19 will kill more people than flu in Ireland during 2020 or 2021?

    This is not a trick. I am genuine curious what people predict.

    For the record, I predict No and No for both questions.

    Yes and yes.

    Diamond Princess - 705 people diagnosed + a few more after they returned to their own countries. 328/705 with no symptoms, 7 deaths to date.

    Yes the demographics skew older than average, yes there are a few more than 705 cases but there will possibly/probably be more deaths. Broad brush estimate - with high quality medical care we’re looking at at least 0.5% mortality rate, quite probably closer to 1%. This is higher than flu.

    Then the question is - will more people get infected?

    Yes. This thing is crazy infectious. It quietly lurks and then explodes. Italy has had 29 deaths in a week. The quarantine officers on DP caught it, presumably they thought they knew what precautions to take and took them. Unlike flu nobody has built up immunity, nobody has been vaccinated against it. Very little contact is needed to transmit it and many people are well enough to not know there’s anything wrong. From what I can tell if you live in a house with someone who gets it, you get it too.

    It’s deadlier than flu, it’s more infectious than flu, it will kill more than flu.


  • #917
    Drumpot
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    1641 wrote: »
    Sorry if this link has already been posted. Very interesting article by an expert on global epidemics, Dr Jonathan Quick . Unfortunately he is not overly optimistic that the world will manage to contain this outbreak. Very level headed about possible responses though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/the-worst-case-scenario-for-coronavirus-dr-jonathan-quick-q-and-a-laura-spinney

    I posted this earlier but no harm in it going up again.

    When you think about it, the logical conclusion is that even if by some luck this outbreak doesn’t become as severe as it potentially looks, human complacency will lead to bigger issues eventually.

    We don’t know all we need to know about the virus to make fully confident decisions on what’s the best course of action. We know it’s spreading around the world fast. We know the authorities who have the most knowledge is on viruses are telling countries to prepare and communicate with their populations.

    And we have countries focusing more on projecting a “non panic” strategy, which includes hesitation on major congregation events that would potentially act as massive breeding grounds for the spread, focusing on economic impact moreso on the now then later (nothing new there) and not bringing in measures (like reduced flights/travel etc) for reasons that have nothing to do with containment or reducing spread.

    We are a species whereby a lot of the major authorities are very much disconnected from nature and don’t realise that human ideas like economies and passports don’t matter to nature. Sure look at politicians in USA (supposedly one of the best to deal with these things) contradicting the CDC regularly. CDC don’t even want the government to mention them in some press releases.

    Anybody who watches a movie and thinks “that’s not a realistic reaction to that crisis from those characters” (aliens fans im talking to you), needs only see how slowly many authority’s are reacting to prevent the spread.


  • #918
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    all about the mane wrote: »
    But it doesn’t stop people. For every informative post there must be 10 of pure rubbish.

    So just scroll past! :rolleyes:


  • #919
    Antares35
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    Broadway Joe wrote: »
    This virus kills such a small percentage of those infected, even less than the flu virus, I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
    That's like saying people have a greater chance of being hit by a car crossing the road. It's of little comfort to those who actually contract it or people (like me) who are an at risk group.


  • #920
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    You are going to hear a lot of this kind of "it's no worse than the flu" talk now. The narrative has to be set for the business community and tourism sector. Greed is a terrible thing.

    Mod

    You can take that to the conspiracy theories coronavirus thread, leave it out of this one.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056380

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #921
    Poor_old_gill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    When you think about the fact that we build weapons and create viruses/diseases in labs that could wipe ourselves out - we really are a pointlessly violent species.


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  • #922
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ok let's put this flu comparison to bed. We know flu and Covid19 are 2 different virus families with different mortality rates. However I asked this question before and none of the experts here answered.

    Q1. Does anyone here think that the new coronavirus will kill more people worldwide than the influenza did in 2018/2019 as per the numbers above?

    Not shoulda-woulda-coulda. Not possibly/can/maybe. Not different shark talk. Future tense prediction based entirely on numbers.

    Q1. Does anyone here think that the new coronavirus will kill more people worldwide than the influenza did in 2018/2019 as per the numbers above?

    You can use 2019/2020 flu season numbers if you wish. I know one lad predicted 45,000,000 deaths yesterday but I am not sure if that was in 1 year.


    And Q2 for those that are able to answer Q1;

    Q2. Does anyone predict that the Covid19 will kill more people than flu in Ireland during 2020 or 2021?

    This is not a trick. I am genuine curious what people predict.

    For the record, I predict No and No for both questions.
    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Seriously? 100,000,000 worldwide in 2020? That's a step up from the 45,000,000 I read yesterday.

    You're the first Yes/Yes. I admire your honesty.

    I'm a yes/yes

    I think where an outbreak explodes unchecked, we're going to see shocking numbers of deaths.
    Take Iran and most likely Iraq. They've a combined population of about 119 million.
    Lets go conservative and say 50% contract the virus. That's 59,500,000 people.
    A 2% death rate would then be 1,190,000 people.

    Where strict controls and quarantine is put in place, like hopefully here in Ireland, I hope that the numbers infected can be dramatically lower than 50%.
    I don't know what that might be but lets say for the sake of argument that 10% of us get it. 10% of 4.8 million is 480,000 people.
    A 2% death rate would be 9,600 people.

    Even if only 1% of us get it, then you'd have about 960 deaths


  • #923
    SeaBreezes
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    What a strange story.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: South Korea sect leader to face homicide probe over deaths
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51695649

    I posted a full link to the Twitter story. Apparently this guy has them all convinced he's either Jesus or preparing the way for him.. And their mission was to bring on the apocalypse. They had a base in wuhan. The Twitter story had a map of all their bases.
    There's one in Ireland :-(

    I hadn't seen any major news carrying the story so figured it was conspiracy stuff.
    Found the link: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1231869865205620742.html

    Mods move if should be in conspiracy, though if BBC reporting he's being charged maybe weird fact..


  • #924
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-uk-britain-5028214-Mar2020/

    The UK seems to be at that tipping point now where a lot of the cases they're identifying have no known travel vector. IE, the infection occurred inside the UK. 4 of the 12 cases just announced, so two thirds are travelers and the other third are getting it from travelers or perhaps even unknown other cases in-country.


  • #925
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Still nothing from our government about telling right thinking sick employees who may stay out of work if they are at the risk of spreading the virus that they will be paid even if their employers don't have to pay them per their contract. This would be the type of pro active governance we could all get behind.


  • #926
    MajesticDonkey
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    The Coronas are meant to play in Dubai for Paddy's Day... what are the chances? :D


  • #927
    Graces7
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yes, and this situation shows how vulnerable our just in time global supply chains are. I hope our essential items like medications are not so tight.

    Now THAT worries me...


  • #928
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    BanditLuke wrote: »
    You are going to hear a lot of this kind of "it's no worse than the flu" talk now. The narrative has to be set for the business community and tourism sector. Greed is a terrible thing.

    For what it's worth i think we will see absolute carnage on the stock markets tomorrow and all through next week as the realisation of what's happening hits home.

    I got widely ridiculed on here few weeks back for suggesting this had the potential to collapse the world economy and i see no evidence to the contrary of that. I sincerely hope im wrong.

    Mod

    You can take that to the conspiracy theories coronavirus thread, leave it out of this one.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056380
    Is there a list somewhere, or a general indicator, of which speculation is deemed conspiracy theory territory? I know Beasty's OP says "speculation", but given that we really know sweet FA about the virus, that could theoretically encompass most of the thread.


  • #929
    Nijmegen
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Still nothing from our government about telling right thinking sick employees who may stay out of work if they are at the risk of spreading the virus that they will be paid even if their employers don't have to pay them per their contract. This would be the type of pro active governance we could all get behind.

    I read a piece on thejournal.ie the other day quoting lawyers saying that personal injury claims could arise from employees who get sick if there's no policy telling those who suspect illness to stay at home (and the conclusion is that if your employer tells you to stay home, they must pay you). So it could be good old economic impact that forces employers hands here.


  • #930
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    VayNiice wrote: »
    I haven't been in Ireland in years so no. What I'm saying is that threads like this can do more harm than good by making out as if there is a need for panic and encouraging people to go into Aldi and clear the shelves for themselves. Maybe there are too many people from the tinfoil hat brigade on the thread giving this impression.

    I'm glad to see lots of people disagreeing with me and clarifying that there isn't a panic in Ireland at the moment.

    Please show me the posts that say this? Wondering re the reading/comprehension skills here :eek:


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  • #931
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Mod

    You can take that to the conspiracy theories coronavirus thread, leave it out of this one.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056380

    That's not a conspiracy theory. I heard it several times on the sunday political talk shows this morning.


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