Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Carol25 wrote: »

I’m concerned about the spread in schools. The dose before Christmas infected everyone in the local school at one stage or another. In a lot of schools, there is no hot water at all. Classes are over crowded and now hand washes are out of stock. The spread if schools become breeding grounds would be enormous...

Our creche insists on sighing kids in and out new Tusla rules apparently, that's about 50 parents using the same biro every morning, I refuse to do it after getting sick a few times in a row. The pen is meant to be the dirtiest thing in the doctors office.
We didn't get sick as Xmas in this house but most other families in the creche got a dose.

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

I don't see any 'panic and hysteria' here, except as an accusation from who are in denial about the situation.

The World Health Organization recommends that the general public should be fully educated on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread.

This thread educates and informs.

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I don't see any 'panic and hysteria' here, except as an accusation from who are in denial about the situation.

The World Health Organization recommends that the general public should be fully educated on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread.

This thread educates and informs.

This thread does not educate. Have you read some of the drivel on here??

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

What do you see out and about that indicates that people are panicking?

I assume you've been reading forums with local Vietnamese too to compare that to this thread?

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

Something to bear in mind: there's a virus doing the rounds in the US. Over 20 million people infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 dead. If it were Covid-19, there would be utter panic. But's it's "just" the seasonal flu doing its usual rounds, so no one is worried.

That's probably the one I was talking about, 20 people dead in Ireland to mid/late January.

wylo wrote: »

Im on the fence here, you cant just go haulting economies as a precautionary measure. The impacts may genuinely be more fatal in numbers than a covid19 outbreak, albeit not as measurable.


So perhaps its the best approach.

His main point was that if there is no community transmission of the virus in Ireland at the moment, then as it stands, there is no actual risk to the Irish public.

That could change at some point in future, but we are nowhere even near that stage. Definitely no need for any hysterical overreaction.

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

Why does it bother you so much?

If people go out and do a big weekly shop, or even getting enough groceries so that they don't have to return to the shops for two weeks, rather than making multiple trips over and over again for little bits and pieces, where is the harm?

They are decreasing their chances of interacting and being close to random people. no harm in that. Quite sensible really. And more efficient than making multiple trips anyway. I think that a lot of people just got out of the habit of doing a weekly shop because it is so handy to drive down to the late-opening Tesco as you need it rather than plan.

VayNiice wrote: »

I'm saying they aren't panicking. I've been speaking to quite a lot of people here about it actually.

But have you seen anyone here panicking?

All my local shops are fully stocked with pasta and tinned food. Most people I've talked to about it are dismissing it as nothing and joking about it.

Outside of this thread, life is normal. Just like it is in Vietnam.

One poster's meltdown was pretty telling and more concerning than even the most wild speculation on here. Sorry if this is spiteful but he's been way off for weeks.

He bragged about qualifications and involvement on the national level as a put down to others and to give his opinion more weight, had the shallowest interpretation of the information of any reasonable person I'd seen. Largely ignored the factors outside of death rate which he said himself was 'too early to tell anything conclusive' but then made ridiculous predictions that no other expert would make. Now like the rest of the people who may have had involvement in planning at the national level he's starting to get the picture. The reaction is to shut people who might cause 'panic' and cause some run on the hospital, when the right attitude and posture towards the public would mitigate it the most (truth and strong action). But yet they come out with ****e yesterday like telling us the coronavirus patient was 'in the east', after how obviously behind they've been on communication and public facing preparedness. Managing panic in the age of the internet is not giving less information, it's giving more. Unless you plan to completely black out everything like China, placating people with bull**** will cause a much bigger reaction.

I have all the respect in the world for the actual work he and others do and will do on the front line, but they need to cop themselves on at the top and get real about this containment. TAKE THE BIG DECISIONS FAST. You'll have to take them anyway, do it sooner rather than later. If ye don't it won't matter how many rumours are spread online in a few weeks. In 2 to 4 weeks if the big decisions haven't been taken he and his colleagues will be in hell. That's why people like him have to put upward pressure on the people at the top immediately. Germany, France accepted defeat after 20 to 50 cases. Population-adjusted let's be generous and say that's 5-10 cases here.

Travels bans will happen they should happen yesterday. Extreme levels of quarantines will happen they should happen now. Don't wait for the dumb EU nations to do something - do what has to be done. That's not my opinion, that's the WHO.

I have little faith though, it's all reactionary. They have to watch the ticker climb up and react, react late like most other countries and like they appear to have been doing so far. China went to war over it . Their language, posture and actions signified a war. Ye may think 'oh Ireland only has a case, how insane could you be talking about war, you're scaring people'. If ye assume we will keep a lid on cases without the drastic measures and the early and difficult decisions you are insane. By the time we're watching the grim images from South Korea and Italy our cases will be in the France / Germany range, and they've already basically accepted epidemic. Again, the WHO says it is a "big mistake" to go from containment to mitigation at this stage.

And the truth is I'm perfectly calm, as many of us have been as we have just stated the obvious. The whole point is you have to use mental energy not to see what has been going on over the past few weeks. I hope that doesn't continue at the top.

There is no avoiding the economic hit anyway. It's a global economy and we will feel that now more than ever.

/rant
I wish that this will age poorly and I look profoundly stupid the aim was to point out how people who claim to be at the top thought and continue to think about this, while normal people or anyone with their eyes open can see what needs to be done and most will accept it with much less panic if they see their government making the sensible moves and show they are willing to do everything to keep us secure.

12 more cases just announced in England.

Looking like it is about to start jumping up like other European countries.

The UK appears to be 5 to 7 days behind Italy/South Korea, although hopefully not.

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

It's common for people in Asia to wear masks? No? If you visit large cities like NY or even London, you'll commonly see Asian people on public transport etc. with face masks. This is before coronavirus.

So I'd imagine it is a "normal" thing for them over there and they have their personal habits and supply chains in place.

That is probably why you don't see any shortage of hand-sanitiser or masks there. And there is no panic probably because they can get those things. Whereas here, you probably have difficulty to get them.