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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #7232
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    We are only 467 beds short at present.

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

    :-(


  • #7233
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    https://streamable.com/d443m

    Super Spreader

    jaysus if they tried that prank now they'd be killed!


  • #7234
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The level of hygiene in Ireland isn’t always the best. The worst example I saw was one Christmas time in a pub in Walkinstown, Dublin, where one of the servers, on her way from kitchen to patron, stopped by the ladies toilet for nature’s call. She deftly supported with one hand a small round tray of cup of coffee and sandwiches, entered the cubicle, did her business, and emerged with tray still balanced on top of hand.l, then without visit to sink went out and placed food in patron’s table. I’m not joking, this really did happen, albeit about 13 years ago.

    and she then went to China and got a job in Wuhan in an animal market - we found patient 0.


  • #7235
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Drumpot wrote: »

    Put simple, if you know there are 150 people infected, 23 serious and 4 die, the percentages look pretty worrying. If 85% of people (low symptoms) are not being recorded in our 150 tested, it means that the death rate is 4 in 1000 , but we have only tested 150.

    I want to stress this is my uneducated guesswork so as always don’t take a random stranger on the internets word for it!

    Yes the stats hopefully developing is pretty much the only thing keeping me going. There must surely be a lot of people who never go near a hospital or even call up a GP with this. They'll think it's so mild it can't be Coronavirus. Once this is happening the connection between cases and death rates looks a lot more favourable.


  • #7236
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    We are only 467 beds short at present.

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

    :-(

    Crazy part is if you forced all the people who abandon their elderly parents in hospitals all around the country you’d free up hundreds of beds. People do this as they can’t afford nursing homes. It’s rife throughout the entire system an it’s never addressed.


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  • #7237
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    It needs more reason than that. DFA would need to prohibit travel to an area for insurance to pay out.

    It is a very good idea for anybody travelling to register their trip here on the DFA website:

    https://www.dfa.ie/travel/citizens-registration/

    This way, if there is any adverse occurrence, you will receive a text message which first advises that something has happened in your region, then asks if you are ok in the circumstance, and you send a response text to either verify all is ok or that you may need assistance.


  • #7238
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-four-new-cases-confirmed-all-linked-to-wizlearn-technologies-cluster-three?cx_testId=20&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

    Singapore 4 new cases, total 102. 72 cases have fully recovered from the infection and have been discharged. Of the 30 confirmed cases still in hospital, most are stable while seven are in critical condition. To date, 3,033 close contacts have been quarantined, with 269 still serving it.


  • #7239
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Deleted User wrote: »
    By this logic we may as well dispense with aul scaremongering seatbelts, natural selection and all that. Air travel is incredibly safe today, but sure why did we ever bother with over-the-top air accident investigations, sure it’d be grand as it was in the 1950s.

    infairness if you look at the numbers, you prob have a better chance of winning the lotto than getting covid here in ireland at the min. And even if you do the vast majority of cases will recover.

    Its ok to be cautious but some people are over doing it.


  • #7240
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Its ok to be cautious but some people are over doing it.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/i-bought-a-years-supply-of-rice-meet-the-irish-people-preparing-for-a-potential-coronavirus-outbreak-38992479.html


  • #7241
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The level of hygiene in Ireland isn’t always the best.
    Maybe, but at the other extreme there are the clean freaks and germophobes. Now I get that if you're chronically ill, or immune suppressed, but if you're neither more exposure to pathogens is better for you. Going around doused in dettol and necking antibiotics for every little sniffle, especially from childhood, is a recipe for sickly adults and a host of allergies.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #7242
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    The only thing I'm suffering from is media fatigue over this. It's easing in China, and I guess we'll see a drop-off in Asia over the next two or three weeks. It'll follow on to Europe after that. By May or June we'll be fine with it, and a vaccine will be there anyway. Economy will have a jolt because of the scare and knock on effects, but this will settle down as well.


  • #7243
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Maybe, but at the other extreme there are the clean freaks and germophobes. Now I get that if you're chronically ill, or immune suppressed, but if you're neither more exposure to pathogens is better for you. Going around doused in dettol and necking antibiotics for every little sniffle, especially from childhood, is a recipe for sickly adults and a host of allergies.

    100% agree people put children on antibiotics at the drop of a hat now a days, a sniffle and there at the doc, i think googling symptoms leads to overreaction alot of the time.

    How did people ever get by back in the day!


  • #7244
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Exactly. Add to that the prevalence of touch screens everywhere, which are almost never disinfected. My friend went to the doctor's in London last week and was told to use a touch screen to check in for her appointment. So there's a global coronavirus pandemic, all this advice about hand gels, masks and staying at home when possible, and someone just trying to see their GP to get some medication is forced to touch a screen touched by God knows how many people with God knows what germs and viruses on their fingers?

    It's just baffling, honestly.

    Have you noticed the amount of changes we see in society whether it's from government or business that isn't really necessary but is probably cheap enough and looks like they're doing something, whether that's governments looking after their people or businesses giving you a good deal? Touch screens in GP surgeries is a great example - pretty pointless as all it's doing is making it a tiny bit more "convenient" when you walk in for your appointment or otherwise shock horror might have to queue up for 5 minutes! And as you say completely counterproductive as it's extremely unhygenic - the very worst place you could have a touch screen is a GP surgery! But hey someone somewhere probably got a pat on the back and a promotion out of it.


  • #7245
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    The only thing I'm suffering from is media fatigue over this. It's easing in China, and I guess we'll see a drop-off in Asia over the next two or three weeks. It'll follow on to Europe after that. By May or June we'll be fine with it, and a vaccine will be there anyway. Economy will have a jolt because of the scare and knock on effects, but this will settle down as well.

    Thanks for the prediction future man. Good to know its all under control!


  • #7246
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    The only thing I'm suffering from is media fatigue over this. It's easing in China, and I guess we'll see a drop-off in Asia over the next two or three weeks. It'll follow on to Europe after that. By May or June we'll be fine with it, and a vaccine will be there anyway. Economy will have a jolt because of the scare and knock on effects, but this will settle down as well.


    ? It's 12-18mths (min) for a vax, and wave 2 (mutation) might just show up for Autumn (have a gawk at the Spanish Flu). DJIA has it's biggest drop this week since the 2008 crash.


  • #7247
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Cupatae wrote: »
    infairness if you look at the numbers, you prob have a better chance of winning the lotto than getting covid here in ireland at the min. And even if you do the vast majority of cases will recover.

    Its ok to be cautious but some people are over doing it.

    100%. But people on here want the whole country to come to a standstill


  • #7248
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,371 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Cupatae wrote: »
    100% agree people put children on antibiotics at the drop of a hat now a days, a sniffle and there at the doc, i think googling symptoms leads to overreaction alot of the time.

    How did people ever get by back in the day!

    'In my day', in a school year of 153 girls, we had one with asthma. One.

    We used to pick chewing gum up off the road and eat it, because my mother wouldn't allow it in the house. I remember hands so dirty the muck on them would crack when you flexed your thumb.

    No being followed around with anti-bacterial sprays in those days.


  • #7249
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    all about the mane wrote: »
    100%. But people on here want the whole country to come to a standstill

    Nah, that's just your silly interpretation


  • #7250
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,682 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The spanish flu was mild to start with, then it went away, then it came back in the autumn revived and virulent, and it was that episode that killed millions. Just saying.


  • #7251
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Teresa Muscular Mimicry wrote: »
    ? It's 12-18mths (min) for a vax, and wave 2 (mutation) might just show up for Autumn (have a gawk at the Spanish Flu). DJIA has it's biggest drop this week since the 2008 crash.

    Do you think these cases where people are getting it a second time are mutations ? Definitely a women In Japan I think has it for the second time


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  • #7252
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    givyjoe wrote: »
    That's for the prediction future man. Good to know its all under control!

    Thats prob not exciting enough a result for ya joe, imagine it pitters out and is a storm in a tea cup which tbh it most likely will. it has like a 2.% kill rate and most people recover.


  • #7253
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Cupatae wrote: »
    storm in a tea cup

    You'd know all about that :pac:


  • #7254
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    The only thing I'm suffering from is media fatigue over this. It's easing in China, and I guess we'll see a drop-off in Asia over the next two or three weeks. It'll follow on to Europe after that. By May or June we'll be fine with it, and a vaccine will be there anyway. Economy will have a jolt because of the scare and knock on effects, but this will settle down as well.

    It'd ease in Ireland too if they shut down Dublin for 6 weeks and counting.


  • #7255
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You'd know all about that :pac:

    an expert :D


  • #7256
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233774041556799488?s=20


  • #7257
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Cupatae wrote: »
    100% agree people put children on antibiotics at the drop of a hat now a days, a sniffle and there at the doc, i think googling symptoms leads to overreaction alot of the time.

    How did people ever get by back in the day!

    They didn't, they died of TB!


  • #7258
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Drumpot wrote: »

    If you like stats and figures this is a good video. Also some good general tips and advice at end. Below is my interpretation of what he said so watch it yourself and draw your own conclusions if you like.

    Early detection appears to be very important for recovery. All “reported“ non critical Patients have survived thus far. He explains what non critical means. Critical patients 50/50 (5%) chance of surviving.

    Methods of testing around the world not ideal or completely accurate but there are two potential positives. One is that there has supposedly been a better method invented that may be available soon. Two it also means that a lot of people who have the virus are not diagnosed , while that’s bad in itself, more people potentially infected through bad testing or no testing means that the death and critical rates are potentially far lower.

    Put simple, if you know there are 150 people infected, 23 serious and 4 die, the percentages look pretty worrying. If 85% of people (low symptoms) are not being recorded in our 150 tested, it means that the death rate is 4 in 1000 , but we have only tested 150.

    I want to stress this is my uneducated guesswork so as always don’t take a random stranger on the internets word for it!

    The expert team from the World Health organization found that asymptomatic infection appears to be relatively rare.

    So the present figures for mortality etc. can be accepted at face value.

    https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf


  • #7259
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Thats prob not exciting enough a result for ya joe, imagine it pitters out and is a storm in a tea cup which tbh it most likely will. it has like a 2.% kill rate and most people recover.

    One lad predicted 45,000,000 deaths and people were fine to let it slide ;) Go figure.


  • #7260
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    i pray the worst doesn't come to the worst with this virus!


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  • #7261
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1233774041556799488?s=21


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