Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Nijmegen · 29-02-2020 09:51AM

Great post, Drumpot. Further to this here’s a rather interesting paper by some academics on the risks of the “ah sure be grand” approach. https://www.academia.edu/41743064/Systemic_Risk_of_Pandemic_via_Novel_Pathogens_-_Coronavirus_A_Note

gozunda · 29-02-2020 09:52AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Needs a culture change, people going around saying theirs bad flu going around and everyone is getting a few months back. Like its a badge of honor. Just practice basic hygiene, good diet and drink water rather than blaming the HSE solely. People need to be accountable for their own lifestyle. Seeing so many posts from diabetic's and their are pretty young too, which is a surprise to me.

Just on that - Type one diabetics can be any age and yes includes young people - who must take insulin for life as their bodies cannot produce insulin. It has nothing to do with lifestyle.

Type two is more often seen in older people. The two conditions are often confused.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/clinical-topics/diabetes

MadYaker · 29-02-2020 09:54AM

People still banging on about face masks ffs. I guarantee every gobsh!te out there wearing a mask will think they’re grand and forget about washing their hands which is what actually stops the virus from spreading.

29-02-2020 09:57AM

KingBobby wrote: »

There is a huge amount of incredibly selfish remarks I'm hearing every day saying things like "oh I'm not worried i'm not in an at-risk group" yes but how would you feel if you passed it on to a person receiving cancer treatment, elderly, pregnant women, people with asthma... so many people in this society are actually in the at risk groups and you could be responsible for them getting this and potentially not being able to fight it.

also foolish to believe that some others won't see them as even partially responsible for the deaths of their loved ones

Dark road to start to go down actually

Nijmegen · 29-02-2020 09:57AM

Ohmeha wrote: »

A colleague of mine was off sick on Thursday, walks back into office on Friday coughing like crazy blatantly still sick and wasn't told to go home. Leaflets on our doors everywhere about hygiene measures and half the office is coughing & sneezing without any tissues in sight all while chatting and joking about the coronavirus

Two thirds of people on the DART this week with colds/coughs are sneezing and coughing into their mobile, tablet, fists

Sadly I think it's going to require this virus to officially arrive here and a mass amount of deaths for a chunk of our population to cop-on and get their ignorant heads out of the sand

The approach is head in sand stuff. Even where not sick. I know of a company that has sent its employees home because someone who passed through from an overseas office is now sick abroad. A close relative who lives with one of the people isolated now as a result is in work telling everyone else about it. You’re a bit like “ehhhhh, so you’re saying if she has it you might have it? And you’re sitting here telling us all about it having a laugh?” I’m sure that chances are nobody gets sick in that original office as a result, but basically lax following of the isolation principals gives you the potential to spread far and wide when you had sufficient information to make a decision but chose to underplay the risk.

29-02-2020 09:59AM

megabomberman wrote: »

I reckon a big hurdle in people comprehending the impact of this illness is a lack of basic math skills;
- Not understanding basic percentages 'it's only 2% death rate', X20 the flu,
- ignoring that 5% of cases are critical/need respirators, and
- not being able to grasp that a disease twice as infectious as flu will spread exponentially quicker.

One other stat HSE spare capacity prior to the outbreak, less than zero.

Stay safe and don't be foolish enough to think you can disregard this and weather it like a bad cough.

True enough... and there won't be a vaccine for roughly a year. I understand the need for sensible precautions, but unless you're single, live alone, and have no family.. it's going to be near impossible to put your life on hold for a year (or more) until this is resolved.

You can be infected, isolate yourself for a month, recover, and then be infected again. And again. There's no immunity and the lack of symptoms for many means there's a constant risk of transferring the virus to others.

Sensible precautions, yes... but there's plenty of people going overboard on this thread too.... and not seriously considering just how long a wait there will be before a vaccine is developed and distributed.

TBH, it makes mores sense to isolate and contain the major risk groups away from the general population... Not continue to have everyone spread out and vulnerable. With Irelands small population, it would be possible to have the major risk groups protected in designated areas, while the rest of us continue working away. Seek to keep the groups separate. A bit draconian perhaps, but far more sensible than what's currently happening.

Wibbs · 29-02-2020 10:01AM

deathbomber wrote: »

The testing is done in UCD and results are within 24 hours and are not faulty.

Well they're not faulty, but false negatives are an issue. People with the virus that come back as a negative, even when they're obviously symptomatic. 5% IIRC. That Chinese doctor whistleblower who later sadly died was one example. A run of negative results until he finally got a positive. Now we're hearing of folks who have recovered from the virus testing positive again weeks later.

*Personal musings* I have the feeling that when the dust is settled we'll discover that the testing isn't as accurate as it appears to be and that other viral infections may trigger a positive. This might explain the odd nature of this particular virus. IE a wildly variable incubation time and a helluva range of symptom presentation. If you look at similar viruses like MERS and SARS this variability wasn't present to nearly the same degree. If you caught either of them you came down with it in the same timeframe and you were clearly ill. They were much more predictable across the board, hence my musings that we're still in the learning stages with this coronavirus.

29-02-2020 10:03AM

MadYaker wrote: »

People still banging on about face masks ffs. I guarantee every gobsh!te out there wearing a mask will think they’re grand and forget about washing their hands which is what actually stops the virus from spreading.

Ahh yes, because the virus only spreads through physical contact? Fact is, that we don't know for certain how the virus spreads...

The chan chan man · 29-02-2020 10:04AM

I wonder have journal.ie finished cleaning the floors after all those loads were blown the day the first case was confirmed ‘on the island’..

The zombie apocalypse style media hype is absolutely cringeworthy! The virus itself not even that bad!! Did anyone see Prof Luke O’Neill on Tubridy last night? Nice to get a rational calm perspective on this nonsense. I won’t be cancelling my holiday after all.

ceadaoin. · 29-02-2020 10:07AM

As an aside I was in a Target store today and noticed a lot of the shelves were nearly empty. Not in the sections that you'd expect because people are stocking up essentials (no one seems to care here yet) but stuff like homewares. Out of interest I looked at the ones which had hardly any left and sure enough, made in china. The ones that had plenty of stock left were from india. That's just one pretty much insignificant example of how the lockdown has affected the supply chain but plain to see.

Lucyfur · 29-02-2020 10:07AM

Azatadine wrote: »

Would a 70 percent solution of isopropyl alcohol suffice to disinfect hands?

If you mix it with aloe vera and vitamin E it'll be a little less harsh on your hands.

The White Wolf · 29-02-2020 10:10AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Older people and those with underlying illnesses will probably take up most of the cull. Nice one.

Yeah.....great stuff.

megabomberman · 29-02-2020 10:16AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Apparently in 80% of cases you will be fine, mild symptoms. However if you are in the 20% you will be quite sick. With the non measures in place to stop this illness from spreading, the 20% appears to be the accepted amount of collateral damage.

Older people and those with underlying illnesses will probably take up most of the cull. Nice one.

Say that when your loved one is at home on the couch gasping for their last air, waiting for a phone call that never comes from the 'HSE hotline', hospitals completely broken and panicked people arriving in their droves at emergency rooms demanding to the security staff that someone sees to their parent/loved one.

Now imagine that this isn't some time in 2021 but sometime before Easter, the shock to the system is going to cause national trauma, official Ireland of the soft landing is failing us again. A billion euro war chest should already be released to CPO private buildings for use as containment centres.

29-02-2020 10:17AM

MadYaker wrote: »

People still banging on about face masks ffs. I guarantee every gobsh!te out there wearing a mask will think they’re grand and forget about washing their hands which is what actually stops the virus from spreading.

Sweeping statement of nonsense

MadYaker · 29-02-2020 10:19AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well they're not faulty, but false negatives are an issue. People with the virus that come back as a negative, even when they're obviously symptomatic. 5% IIRC. That Chinese doctor whistleblower who later sadly died was one example. A run of negative results until he finally got a positive. Now we're hearing of folks who have recovered from the virus testing positive again weeks later.

*Personal musings* I have the feeling that when the dust is settled we'll discover that the testing isn't as accurate as it appears to be and that other viral infections may trigger a positive. This might explain the odd nature of this particular virus. IE a wildly variable incubation time and a helluva range of symptom presentation. If you look at similar viruses like MERS and SARS this variability wasn't present to nearly the same degree. If you caught either of them you came down with it in the same timeframe and you were clearly ill. They were much more predictable across the board, hence my musings that we're still in the learning stages with this coronavirus.

The testing uses samples of the viruses DNA. All different viruses have different DNA so it’s not really possible for a different virus to be identified as this particular corona virus. The testing involves PCR assays. You can read about it here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

Drumpot · 29-02-2020 10:24AM

MadYaker wrote: »

People still banging on about face masks ffs. I guarantee every gobsh!te out there wearing a mask will think they’re grand and forget about washing their hands which is what actually stops the virus from spreading.

Yeh there seems to be a lot of innacurate information about the use of masks. I believe most masks are not 100% reliable to stop transmission. They do help people who might put their hand to their faces (as mask will be over face which you would hope would potentially reduce hand to face transmission). They also seem to be something that those infected should wear so if they cough or sneeze it limits how far the virus spreads I presume. (this is my layman understanding anyways)

MadYaker · 29-02-2020 10:24AM

megabomberman wrote: »

Say that when your loved one is at home on the couch gasping for their last air, waiting for a phone call that never comes from the 'HSE hotline', hospitals completely broken and panicked people arriving in their droves at emergency rooms demanding to the security staff that someone sees to their parent/loved one.

Now imagine that this isn't some time in 2021 but sometime before Easter, the shock to the system is going to cause national trauma, official Ireland of the soft landing is failing us again. A billion euro war chest should already be released to CPO private buildings for use as containment centres.

There’s a lot of nutters on boards these days. Do you have any idea how long it takes to CPO something? At least you’re not in charge.

fits · 29-02-2020 10:30AM

It would be terrible to have elderly relatives in hospital with this and not be able to visit them. Or to be separated from our kids. It’s really not going to be good.

blade1 · 29-02-2020 10:32AM

fits wrote: »

It would be terrible to have elderly relatives in hospital with this and not be able to visit them. Or to be separated from our kids. It’s really not going to be good.

Happens all the time without Corona virus.
I can't visit my mother at the moment because of a suspected Norovirus outbreak.

ceadaoin. · 29-02-2020 10:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can be infected, isolate yourself for a month, recover, and then be infected again. And again. There's no immunity and the lack of symptoms for many means there's a constant risk of transferring the virus to others.

There is no actual evidence that this is the case though except for a few anecdotal stories which could be explained by faulty or insufficient testing.

firemansam4 · 29-02-2020 10:32AM

Genuine question, but I see many people comparing this to the flu, saying that there is a big fuss being made about it when there doesn't need to be.

But I was thinking about the Diamond Princess situation. There has been 6 deaths so far caused by this virus on that cruise ship and I'm wondering if there has been a situation in the past where 6 people have died on a cruise ship due to a dose of the flu?

The chan chan man · 29-02-2020 10:33AM

fits wrote: »

It would be terrible to have elderly relatives in hospital with this and not be able to visit them. Or to be separated from our kids. It’s really not going to be good.

Christ almighty...

ChikiChiki · 29-02-2020 10:33AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

I wonder have journal.ie finished cleaning the floors after all those loads were blown the day the first case was confirmed ‘on the island’..

The zombie apocalypse style media hype is absolutely cringeworthy! The virus itself not even that bad!! Did anyone see Prof Luke O’Neill on Tubridy last night? Nice to get a rational calm perspective on this nonsense. I won’t be cancelling my holiday after all.

Jesus wept....

The type of poster that will end up infecting hundreds through ignorance. But sure its not that bad eh as long as your alright **** everyone else.

Do yourself a favour and go check the facts around the virus and its spread.

The chan chan man · 29-02-2020 10:39AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Jesus wept....

The type of poster that will end up infecting hundreds through ignorance. But sure its not that bad eh as long as your alright **** everyone else.

Do yourself a favour and go check the facts around the virus and its spread.

One person in Ireland is sick, not dead, sick. I’m not going to infect hundreds, I’m saying the media and panic merchants on here need to get a grip before we cause the next recession overnight!

gabeeg · 29-02-2020 10:42AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

One person in Ireland is sick, not dead, sick. I’m not going to infect hundreds, I’m saying the media and panic merchants on here need to get a grip before we cause the next recession overnight!

There is definitely going to be a recession.

It's the least of our worries.

odyssey06 · 29-02-2020 10:42AM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Genuine question, but I see many people comparing this to the flu, saying that there is a big fuss being made about it when there doesn't need to be.

But I was thinking about the Diamond Princess situation. There has been 6 deaths so far caused by this virus on that cruise ship and I'm wondering if there has been a situation in the past where 6 people have died on a cruise ship due to a dose of the flu?

Interesting question... I'm not sure if anyone would join the dots if it was flu and 6 people went home and died in different countries.
If it was say Legionnaires disease or norovirus and it hit a cruise ship then the dots would be connected.

deathbomber · 29-02-2020 10:43AM

Fleetwoodmac wrote: »

Apparently one of the factories in ireland are supplying solely to China.. an irish pharmacist told me this. They had contacted them directly to try and source. Pity.

I am famkliar with only 1 manufacturer and know they supply to many of the big medical companies here - these companies only really supply to registered medical practices/hospitals though, although they will probably sell reasonable orders to the general public but there is a restriction on sale of face masks

Peatys · 29-02-2020 10:43AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

One person in Ireland is sick, not dead, sick. I’m not going to infect hundreds, I’m saying the media and panic merchants on here need to get a grip before we cause the next recession overnight!

You'd swear a lot on here are looking forward to it.

The chan chan man · 29-02-2020 10:44AM

Peatys wrote: »

You'd swear a lot on here are looking forward to it.

Some are! The media are absolutely creaming themselves

Allinall · 29-02-2020 10:45AM

gabeeg wrote: »

There is definitely going to be a recession.

It's the least of our worries.

When exactly?

Just so I can isolate myself from it.

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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