Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Peatys

Graces7 wrote: »

Potaoes. flour eggs... whatever you would normally buy for 2 weeks

And pet food if you have one

and OTC meds eg paracetamol

Pet becomes food

BanditLuke

Snow Garden wrote: »

Fear sells. According to Radio 1, Amazon are reporting massive price rises for coronavirus goods (masks, hand sanetiser) etc. Most of the masks being sold make no difference whatsoever. Huge demand increases too.

Panic buying uninformed idiots. Same ones who laughed at the likes of myself who stocked up on face masks, hand gels and other assorted goods weeka ago.

I suppose Manchester United will be fine and dandy those eejits have been panic buying for years now

BanditLuke

silverharp wrote: »

Iran , that will shake them a bit

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1233694311641829376

Must be absolutely rampant over there.

quokula

silverharp wrote: »

Iran , that will shake them a bit

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1233694311641829376

The replies to that on Twitter are really disgusting.

With that said, googling his name yields only results relating to his death by corona virus. If he was an MP wouldn't there be some trace of his existence prior to today? Not sure if it's a fake story.

Snow Garden

BanditLuke wrote: »

Panic buying uninformed idiots. Same ones who laughed at the likes of myself who stocked up on face masks, hand gels and other assorted goods weeka ago.

I suppose Manchester United will be fine and dandy those eejits have been panic buying for years now

Yes buying large quantities of useless face masks is what uninformed idiots do in a panic. Listen back to the Radio 1 program (10am to 10:10am roughly). Amazon have even seen sellers update the descriptions of the masks to say they protect against the new coronavirus when they absolutely dont.

Yurt2

Evening figures for Korea are out. Up to 3150.

BanditLuke

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yes buying large quantities of useless face masks is what uninformed idiots do in a panic.

But they aren't useless. They are one part of a solution to the problem. Inform yourself and do us all a favour

MadYaker

gabeeg wrote: »

Remember swine-flu?

It's estimated that somewhere between 11-21% of the planet contracted it.
I did too. It was pretty horrible.

Coronavirus is even more infectious. We have zero immunity to it.

If there's an outbreak here like there is in Italy, and now Germany and France, most of us are going to get it.

Nonsense. Even in China most of the population didn’t get it.

silverharp

quokula wrote: »

The replies to that on Twitter are really disgusting.

With that said, googling his name yields only results relating to his death by corona virus. If he was an MP wouldn't there be some trace of his existence prior to today? Not sure if it's a fake story.

what I know about Iranian politics wouldn't fill a matchbox, there is an article here. I assume there will be more over time

https://en.trend.az/iran/3199682.html

Fleetwoodmac

Dante7 wrote: »

Vodka is not strong enough. You need 99% Isopropyl alcohol.

Thanks Dante7, is this same as rubbing alcohol or surgical spirits sold in chemist

BanditLuke

megabomberman wrote: »

I reckon a big hurdle in people comprehending the impact of this illness is a lack of basic math skills;
- Not understanding basic percentages 'it's only 2% death rate', X20 the flu,
- ignoring that 5% of cases are critical/need respirators, and
- not being able to grasp that a disease twice as infectious as flu will spread exponentially quicker.

One other stat HSE spare capacity prior to the outbreak, less than zero.

Stay safe and don't be foolish enough to think you can disregard this and weather it like a bad cough.

Add to that the danger of the HSE rolling out spin doctors like last night on the LLS making it seem like as you say this is nothing to worry about and you are going to get a lot of ignorance. Ignorance is a killer in this scenario

MadYaker

I’m pretty sure the guy existed before catching the virus. Why would it be a fake story?

BanditLuke

MadYaker wrote: »

Nonsense. Even in China most of the population didn’t get it.

Because of the measures taken, measures take we won't take here in the West.

Beanybabog

quokula wrote: »

The replies to that on Twitter are really disgusting.

With that said, googling his name yields only results relating to his death by corona virus. If he was an MP wouldn't there be some trace of his existence prior to today? Not sure if it's a fake story.

The article says “ influenza and chemical injuries” sustained in the Iran-Iraq war“. That’s not very clear, old injuries presumably, maybe exasperated by this?

BanditLuke

quokula wrote: »

The replies to that on Twitter are really disgusting.

With that said, googling his name yields only results relating to his death by corona virus. If he was an MP wouldn't there be some trace of his existence prior to today? Not sure if it's a fake story.

:rolleyes:

eeepaulo

Peatys wrote: »

Pet becomes food

Unless you get sick, self isolate and die.

Give it a couple of days the roles are reversed

busymum1

I haven't seen a link to Dr John on the thread in a while. He's a good calm source of up to date info to combat all the figures being thrown around. He estimates 30% infected globally in the 1st year and 0.5% to 1% death rate depending on medical care. Access to oxygen and respiratory support seem to be big factors. We are very limited in ICU beds here so our death rates may be different to other 1st world countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmIRMHzBZdU
This isn't going to be fun.

steve-o

ChikiChiki wrote: »

2% chance

That 2% is a bogus comparison because it simply compares mortality to reported cases, most of which are in the early stages.

For those cases with an outcome (recovery vs mortality), 7% of cases have resulted in death. But that number is only as good as the quality of the underlying data.

MadYaker

BanditLuke wrote: »

Because of the measures taken, measures take we won't take here in the West.

They are already taking said measures in Italy and Germany. Loads of workplaces closed towns on lockdown in Italy etc. Our government will do the same if it comes to it.

TheMilkyPirate

MadYaker wrote: »

Nonsense. Even in China most of the population didn’t get it.

What's nonsense? Between 700 million - 1.4 billion people contracted swine flu. That is a fact.

Snow Garden

BanditLuke wrote: »

But they aren't useless. They are one part of a solution to the problem. Inform yourself and do us all a favour

The program and most experts are saying most face masks are useless unless you have coronavirus. For prevention the ones being hiked from 4 euro to 15 euro on Amazon are useless. Open your ears. Radio 1, 10am.

Loafing Oaf

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. Italy returning to normal. Once a country gets over a few hundred diagnosed cases, it just gets back to normal :



"In Italy, meanwhile, authorities announced they were planning to reopen schools and museums in some of the areas less hard-hit by the coronavirus outbreak, with even the hardest hit regions Lombardy and Veneto in the north leaning toward opening schools as well.

“The aim is to return to normalcy,’’ the governor of Veneto, Luca Zaia, told state TV in an interview noting that it was an area where tourism was the biggest source of income, bringing in $18bn annually."
Guardian Service.

gets back to normal...and thereby precipitates a few thousand fresh cases. Seriously if a country/region is that complacent, they should be sealed off from the rest of Europe.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-29/australia-announces-iran-travel-ban/12013884

Australia and New Zealand ban travel from to iran

SafeSurfer

Recession looks unavoidable now. Tourism is 14% of the Italian economy, worth over €260 billion euro. When one sees a deserted Venice it seems tourism will take a huge hit in what is already a very fragile economy. If other European countries experience similarly extensive outbreaks, the European tourism industry could be in serious trouble.

spurious

gabeeg wrote: »

Remember swine-flu?

It's estimated that somewhere between 11-21% of the planet contracted it.
I did too. It was pretty horrible.

Coronavirus is even more infectious. We have zero immunity to it.

If there's an outbreak here like there is in Italy, and now Germany and France, most of us are going to get it.

During the “swine flu” pandemic 27 people died in Ireland as a result of getting “swine flu” virus and more than 1000 people needed to be hospitalised as a result of getting “swine flu” virus. HSE site

Hardly 'most of us'.

Snow Garden

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51675183

Amazon has not provided a list of those products it says it has removed, but a BBC search for "coronavirus" on the online site suggests many products are still being sold at unusually high prices.

In one example, a 50-piece stack of surgical masks from one seller cost more than £170, while a popular alternative of the same product is on sale for approximately £36. Even that cheaper product has still risen dramatically in price since early January, when it cost less than £10.

Some of those products are not even fit for purpose, such as disposable dust or surgical masks, rather than recommended protective equipment.

Open the link before replying please.

Achasanai

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-29/australia-announces-iran-travel-ban/12013884

Australia and New Zealand ban travel from to iran

Is there a particular reason why they singled out Iran? Are there not more cases/deaths in Italy?

lainey_d_123

Snow Garden wrote: »

Fear sells. According to Radio 1, Amazon are reporting massive price rises for coronavirus goods (masks, hand sanetiser) etc. Most of the masks being sold make no difference whatsoever. Huge demand increases too.

This is really an issue. Panic buying just leads to those who really DO need to take extra precautions (healthcare staff, people with compromised immune systems, etc.) being unable to buy the things they need. As I said earlier in the thread, it's now impossible to find hand sanitiser in London anywhere. So anyone who truly needs it because of coronavirus exposure or another reason can't get it.

Duke of Url

steve-o wrote: »

That 2% is a bogus comparison because it simply compares mortality to reported cases, most of which are in the early stages.

For those cases with an outcome (recovery vs mortality), 7% of cases have resulted in death. But that number is only as good as the quality of the underlying data.

That 7% is dropping daily. Currently at 6.9 today from 7.26 yesterday and 7.86 the day before

lainey_d_123

What sanctions are the Chinese going to get for starting this outbreak with their disgustingly poor hygiene practices and then spreading it because of their citizens travelling all over the world, often already knowing they were sick or had a risk of having the virus?