Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 06:56PM

saabsaab wrote: »

I would avoid crowds if at all possible from now on. Also carry a small alcohol 60% plus hand gel. Wear gloves away from home and disinfect them when you return. Same for a scarf (I know it wont stop a virus sized particle but will stop droplets and dirt) to stop inhaling what others cough. Would reduce the viral load anyway.

I saw a recipe for an aerosol disinfectant using common bleach (Sodium Hypochloride) 3% solution.

Use 30ml of thick bleach to 1 litre bottle of water in a spray bottle to disinfect surfaces areas or clothes. This strength of 0.1% is said to kill the virus within 20 mins.

Another recipe ethanol 62- 71% , 0.5% hydrogen peroxide and 0.1% sodium hydrochlorite.

I have access to those. To buy ethanol, one would need a licence.

Not sure if methanol or methylated spirits be sufficed?

MadYaker · 26-02-2020 06:56PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe this has been addressed but what will happen about Saint Patrick's Day? And the tourist season if we get an outbreak here?

I could imagine a lot of stuff being cancelled if there is an outbreak here between now and paddys day, hopefully that won't happen.

Rob A. Bank · 26-02-2020 06:56PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Whilst the numbers are going down in China, specifically Hubei, there is still this

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30065-6/fulltext

Makes you question things

Absolutely frightening stuff in that Lancet letter... This is a brutal illness and a nightmare to treat for the medical staff.

"As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead."

"So far 1716 Chinese staff have been infected with COVID-19 and nine of them have unfortunately passed away."

And I read somewhere else that they are wearing adult nappies under the hazmat suits because they cannot eat drink or go to the toilet when on shift.

wadacrack · 26-02-2020 06:57PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

We will have confirmed cases in Dublin by then. It could be high numbers too

Loafing Oaf · 26-02-2020 06:58PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course! The people are great, it's the regime that's not

Quantum Erasure · 26-02-2020 06:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

relax, there was a lad maybe three weeks ago (on the first thread) who was moving his elderly parents into a remote farmhouse without electricty or running water to keep them safe.... wonder how they're doing now?

take precautions, but no need to go overboard,

josip · 26-02-2020 07:00PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

5,000 won't come.
Many of them will be able to cancel accommodation bookings with a full refund.
Travel insurance will cover a lot of those booked via packages.
I'd be surprised if more than 1500 make it here.
Which will be a lot better than 5000 from that region coming here.

NegativeCreep · 26-02-2020 07:02PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

You’re only missing out on a bunch of lads chasing a ball. You’ll be grand.

Call Me Jimmy · 26-02-2020 07:05PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am not pretending they are 'great lads' but they appear to have slowed the advance of this disease by the use of strict quarantine and containment.

They have also shut down permanently the wild animal trade which has been responsible for this epidemic and others before this... about time too !

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bans-wildlife-trade-consumption-coronavirus-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

I get what you're saying. Agree with above about China and I've been calling everything the CCP does bull**** relentlessly.

But let's assume the best case scenario, and the numbers are correct.

WHO’s Aylward who was in Wuhan said the strategy which included
- complete lockdown and travel ban
- building new hospitals and making thousands more beds available
- banning driving
- importing literally thousands of medics from less affected areas

stopped it on its exponential trajectory and saved hundreds of thousands of people getting infected.

How are health systems expected to cope with the numbers without us doing complete travel bans and lockdowns. Spain is Italy from 3 days ago. And Italy is South Korea a couple days before that. And South Korea are about to realise they need to lock-down despite resistance.

But this acceptance of facts from the expert who knows more than anyone is considered panic, doom and gloom in and of itself.

He literally says:

WHO&#8217 wrote: »

The world is simply not ready. It can get ready very fast, but the big shift has to be in the mindset.

So should we change mindset or brag about how not concerned we are?

darjeeling · 26-02-2020 07:06PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Did you listen to Bruce Leywards interview?
Sobering stuff.
We haven't a hope of doing half of what they did, nor do we have the specialist equipment they have for respiratory issues nor do we have their experience with SARS.
He said the mortality rate outside China will be higher..

I'd actually be reasonably optimistic.

Much of what they are doing in China to achieve success seems to be tracking down contacts of cases and quarantining them.
Also introducing larger lockdowns where clusters pop up.
Singapore has also kept cases to a minimum through good contact tracing, and that in a densely packed city of 5M.
I hope we do the same kind of things here as and when we need to.

We should also be able to run a basic public info campaign about what symptoms to look out for, who to call when you need to raise the alarm, and the importance of good hand hygiene.

It's those kind of efforts that ended the West African ebola epidemic, and there they were dealing with countries emerging from civil wars and with practically no health services.
Incidentally, the same Bruce Aylward directed the WHO response that helped end that epidemic.

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 07:07PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Tonight imo will be the last champions league games played this season with a crowd present. Anfields famous home support will be worthless in a few weeks unfortunately as i forsee games played behind closed doors if at all.

It will play to Manchester City advantage.

Drumpot · 26-02-2020 07:08PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I think an important distinction should be made between the Chinese regime and the Chinese people especially the medicial staff. The regime attempted to bury the story for weeks until the death toll was too high and they couldn't hold back social media reporting (thankfully) and have more than likely lied about the death toll ever since. The Chinese people and the medical staff in particular are heros who have put their lives on the line to save their country and that's not a massive exaggeration.

Personally i think when all this is said and done there will be a massive price to pay for the Chinese regime never mind from the international community but from within their own population.

I agree. People need to distinguish between a population and the authority that rule them.

Very much like the Russian citizens during Chernobyl.

Seems to be that when crisis happens in these countries, the people within those countries band together to do what needs to be done for their own good (and by extension for the good of countries around them). From what is being reported from people who have been there first hand, the people in China are indeed heroes and any credible accounts we have heard is a population doing its best to stop the spread.

FishOnABike · 26-02-2020 07:08PM

josip wrote: »

5,000 won't come.
Many of them will be able to cancel accommodation bookings with a full refund.
Travel insurance will cover a lot of those booked via packages.
I'd be surprised if more than 1500 make it here.
Which will be a lot better than 5000 from that region coming here.

Travel insurance doesn't usually (in fact almost never) covers change of mind or choice, no matter how strong the advice against travelling. Most policies would only pay out if there was a travel ban.

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 07:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course! The people are great, it's the regime that's not

Why do people feel the need to qualify having a go at a horrible dictatorship?

Do you think it some kind of insult to ordinary Chinese who have to suffer under these bastards?

If somebody from New Zealand for example said that FFG were the most useless bunch of self interested ******* around would we as Irish people find that insulting?

notobtuse · 26-02-2020 07:10PM

President Trump will be speaking tonight on the issue of the coronavirus. His administration has put together a $2.5 billion supplemental funding plan to speed the development of a vaccine, procure equipment and supplies, and provide for preparedness and response. Democrats are asking for $8.5 billion. Here’s a question… If the US comes up with a vaccine for the coronavirus in short order after spending many billions of dollars, will the rest of the world expect the US to just give it and the supplies away for free?

josip · 26-02-2020 07:11PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Travel insurance doesn't usually (in fact almost never) covers change of mind or choice, no matter how strong the advice against travelling. Most policies would only pay out if there was a travel ban.

Anyone who has booked a match package, for a match that is subsequently cancelled, will be compensated if they have insurance?

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 07:11PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe this has been addressed but what will happen about Saint Patrick's Day? And the tourist season if we get an outbreak here?

I'd say very very slim chance of it going ahead. Tourist season all around the world is going to be in freefall.

Ludo · 26-02-2020 07:12PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Travel insurance doesn't usually (in fact almost never) covers change of mind or choice, no matter how strong the advice against travelling. Most policies would only pay out if there was a travel ban.

Is this true? Coz it goes against everything said in the last few days.

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 07:13PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

Get over it it's bloody rugby match for christ sake.

Drumpot · 26-02-2020 07:13PM

darjeeling wrote: »

I'd actually be reasonably optimistic.

Much of what they are doing in China to achieve success seems to be tracking down contacts of cases and quarantining them.
Also introducing larger lockdowns where clusters pop up.
Singapore has also kept cases to a minimum through good contact tracing, and that in a densely packed city of 5M.
I hope we do the same kind of things here as and when we need to.

We should also be able to run a basic public info campaign about what symptoms to look out for, who to call when you need to raise the alarm, and the importance of good hand hygiene.

It's those kind of efforts that ended the West African ebola epidemic, and there they were dealing with countries emerging from civil wars and with practically no health services.
Incidentally, the same Bruce Aylward directed the WHO response that helped end that epidemic.

And at the heart of his message yesterday was for countries to Talk to your population - "Folks we have to be ready to do this tomorrow"

Our authorities really couldnt do much less talking to our population if they tried . . Its pretty much "we are waiting to see what the EU thinks we should do". . And its leaving our public to fill in the gaps. Awful awful mismanagement as far as I am concerned and inexcusable.

Gonna put this superb link up again for anybody who hasnt seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

ILoveYourVibes · 26-02-2020 07:13PM

I don't get why Ireland doesn't stop the travel of people right now. Its so stupid. It will cost the economy mush more when it comes here and we have to put people in isolation and stop them working.

It will ease off in summer.

UV light is great at killing bacteria ...plus warmer weather. Its only two months to go...stop travel until the mid summer ....the parties are having a circle jerk about who will be in power.

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 07:14PM

YFlyer wrote: »

It will play to Manchester City advantage.

Emptyhad

tuxy · 26-02-2020 07:15PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't get why Ireland doesn't stop the travel of people right now. Its so stupid. It will cost the economy mush more when it comes here and we have to put people in isolation and stop them working.

Stop all travel to every country including the UK (NI) ?

saabsaab · 26-02-2020 07:15PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I get what you're saying. Agree with above about China and I've been calling everything the CCP does bull**** relentlessly.

But let's assume the best case scenario, and the numbers are correct.

WHO’s Aylward who was in Wuhan said the strategy which included
- complete lockdown and travel ban
- building new hospitals and making thousands more beds available
- banning driving
- importing literally thousands of medics from less affected areas

stopped it on its exponential trajectory and saved hundreds of thousands of people getting infected.

How are health systems expected to cope with the numbers without us doing complete travel bans and lockdowns. Spain is Italy from 3 days ago. And Italy is South Korea a couple days before that. And South Korea are about to realise they need to lock-down despite resistance.

But this acceptance of facts from the expert who knows more than anyone is considered panic, doom and gloom in and of itself.

He literally says:

So should we change mindset or brag about how not concerned we are?

I agree minds need to adapt to this. At least the cancelled rugby match has brought this crisis home to us now through personal inconvenience.

igCorcaigh · 26-02-2020 07:16PM

UK will be rolling out a public information campaign soon. Im hoping we follow on quickly.

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 07:17PM

notobtuse wrote: »

President Trump will be speaking tonight on the issue of the coronavirus. His administration has put together a $2.5 billion supplemental funding plan to speed the development of a vaccine, procure equipment and supplies, and provide for preparedness and response. Democrats are asking for $8.5 billion. Here’s a question… If the US comes up with a vaccine for the coronavirus in short order after spending many billions of dollars, will the rest of the world expect the US to just give it and the supplies away for free?

Didn't he gutted the Center of Disease Control?

EltonJohn69 · 26-02-2020 07:18PM

notobtuse wrote: »

President Trump will be speaking tonight on the issue of the coronavirus. His administration has put together a $2.5 billion supplemental funding plan to speed the development of a vaccine, procure equipment and supplies, and provide for preparedness and response. Democrats are asking for $8.5 billion. Here’s a question… If the US comes up with a vaccine for the coronavirus in short order after spending many billions of dollars, will the rest of the world expect the US to just give it and the supplies away for free?

Yes because everyone’s economy is linked