new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

joseywhales · 23-02-2020 05:19AM

Still not bothered, leaving India today after five weeks, have seen no sign, no people with facemasks etc.

To keep some context 3,287 people die per day from traffic accidents, I have yet to be even injured in a traffic accident.

scotchy · 23-02-2020 06:21AM

North Korea orders cargo arriving in the country to be isolated for 10 days and fully disinfected to prevent coronavirus.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231457408825937922

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Pablo Escobar · 23-02-2020 06:28AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Still not bothered, leaving India today after five weeks, have seen no sign, no people with facemasks etc.

To keep some context 3,287 people die per day from traffic accidents, I have yet to be even injured in a traffic accident.

So what you’re saying is that the likely pandemic won’t affect you as you’re a competent driver?

darjeeling · 23-02-2020 06:38AM

Italy's deputy health minister (who is a surgeon & co-author of multiple immunology-related papers, so ought to know) said that the presumed patient zero at the source of the new Italian outbreak "did not develop antibodies" to SARS-CoV-2 (news story link).

Does this mean that they are now doing serological testing for antibodies that would indicate if patients have been exposed to the virus?

Testing to date has mostly been real-time RT-PCR testing for the viral genome, which is slow & unreliable, so a simple, fast and accurate antibody test for exposure is urgently needed.

A Wuhan lab (yes, *that* one) published a study two weeks ago in which they say they developed antibody testing for the virus (link), and another Chinese lab reported last week having developed an IgM/IgG antibody test kit (news story link)

The WHO page still only lists RT-PCR tests, and no antibody test.

It would be good to know what the state of play is here.

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 06:49AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Yep, and instead of stock piling food I wonder if it made more sense to slow down on social activities like going to the pub/concerts/etc.
Those are the places where people got infected in Italy
Also Companies could start implementing work from home as a preventive safety measure
It may sound extreme now, but it's better than having to do it later once half the city is infected!

As well as getting essential supplies in surely. No use working from home then having to go to busy shops ?

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 06:53AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I believe the earlier references were with respect to packages from China, which tend to take a while to arrive. As the virus has been stated to survive on surfaces for 9 days, which is greater than the Amazon distribution centre in the Uk delivery time to Ireland.

I think the possibility is probably very low, but I don't see why it is entirely implausible.

Source please?

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 06:55AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I have jumped from just a 10m diving board, and I can tell you, if you don't hit the water dead straight, the bit of you that slaps the water hurts like stink. One time the impact was on my back and the pain was like a big electric shock.

From 50m you would hit the water doing 113 kph

OUCH!

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 07:04AM

cnocbui wrote: »

While some people have mentioned acquiring more supplies than normal, the next thing I'm going to do is get in some Vitamin D supplements. I have been meaning to for a while but it's one of those things that i don't seem to get around to. Basically, vitamin D seems to play a significant role in preventing/fighting respiratory diseases.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/vitamin-d/

I have seen some suggestion that ME may be an auto-immune disease and vitamin D seems to play a role in preventing/damping autoimmune activity.

Ebay, here I come.

When I was finally diagnosed with M.E./CFIDS I read all the literature there was and bought every supplement alleged to help. Only thing affected was my bank account so now I rely on diet and an older person;s vitamin pill when I remember.
It was once mooted the eating liquorish would relieve M.E and we are highly motivated .. sadly a few died of liver/kidney failure eating too much.

A good diet should give all we need to fight infection but if it helps you feel you are doing more? Great.

And different things help different folk .

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 07:10AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Really starting to frustrate me the absolute lack of information from our govenment or HSE, it needs to be repeated ad nauseum for people to not attend hospitals or GPS if they suspect they have it.

Also they need to update their weeks old warnings about it only being contractable if you visited china

Google HSE coronavirus please. Plenty of info there.

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 07:29AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Google HSE coronavirus please. Plenty of info there.

Like i said its woefully out of date as they still are only saying peiple traveling from china are at risk.

Also it shouldnt require a google it needs to be pushed out on all media platforms, tv, radio and social, expecting people to google what to do is ridiculous and childishly naive as many are still not aware of it or its dangers so will cluelessly attend a gp or go to an A and E.

The key to this is being proactive so we dont have to do what Italy is currently doing and implement severe draconian policies due to being weeks behind however i fear we are probably too late

pc7 · 23-02-2020 07:39AM

Any word on figures in Hong Kong? Have they controlled it?
Italian government doing all they can, you would think preemptively other EU countries would suspend large gatherings/games/concerts etc now

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 07:45AM

pc7 wrote: »

Any word on figures in Hong Kong? Have they controlled it?
Italian government doing all they can, you would think preemptively other EU countries would suspend large gatherings/games/concerts etc now

You would think this wouldnt you, the lack of action is absolutely criminal and i mean literally because many people are going to die who wouldn't have if governments had taken this seriously weeks ago.

I worry they are still taking their lead from the WHO who have been asleep at the wheel, they literally said at the end of the friday brieifing, "we will see you all on monday"..... In the middle of a pandemic they are taking the weekend off.... Thats how seriously they are taking this.

And anyone who says 48 hours of a weekend wont make a difference Italy went from 3 to 80+ cases in the last 48 hours.

givyjoe · 23-02-2020 08:00AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Still not bothered, leaving India today after five weeks, have seen no sign, no people with facemasks etc.

To keep some context 3,287 people die per day from traffic accidents, I have yet to be even injured in a traffic accident.

Another excellent analogy

Except imagine cars have just been invented, give it time and your chance of being in that "traffic accident" will increase.

dwayneshintzy · 23-02-2020 08:56AM

pc7 wrote: »

Any word on figures in Hong Kong? Have they controlled it?
Italian government doing all they can, you would think preemptively other EU countries would suspend large gatherings/games/concerts etc now

Two cases confirmed today, one yesterday, number is at 72 total now.

grind gremlin · 23-02-2020 08:59AM

Any chance the poor air quality in large parts of China could be a contributing factor? Would more people have compromised immune systems as a result of long term exposure?

wadacrack · 23-02-2020 09:02AM

WHO have to put the Global alert to very high now and prepare countries about quarantine measures and isolation. They need to start preparing countries for the worst not talking about a window of opportunity

s7ryf3925pivug · 23-02-2020 09:03AM

grind gremlin wrote: »

Any chance the poor air quality in large parts of China could be a contributing factor? Would more people have compromised immune systems as a result of long term exposure?

Yes. The air quality is worse in some Irish towns during the winter because of solid fuel use. Wexford and Enniscorthy are particularly bad because the smoke doesn't dissipate due to geographical features. Unfortunately it won't just be people who burn smoky coal who might die.

gozunda · 23-02-2020 09:06AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Like i said its woefully out of date as they still are only saying peiple traveling from china are at risk.

Also it shouldnt require a google it needs to be pushed out on all media platforms, tv, radio and social, exfpecting people to google what to do is ridiculous and childishly naive as many are still not aware of it or its dangers so will cluelessly attend a gp or go to an A and E.

The key to this is being proactive so we dont have to do what Italy is currently doing and implement severe draconian policies due to being weeks behind however i fear we are probably too late

That HSE Corona page is little better than a wet hanky imho. Useless. No advice or emergency contacts on the page for anyone reporting a possible Coronavirus infection. Ditto no advice at all about staying away from A&E and GP surgeries.

And again the only 'at risk' groups are those who may have been in "mainland China in the last 14 days" Evidently the HSE believe theres been no spread of infection at all...

This HSE page shows exactly how under resourced our hospitals are. Figures in red show the numbers waiting on trollies (the HSE hilariously refer to these patients as "trolley waiters"). The increase rate for those waiting to be seen is up approx 20% on this time last year.

Not a hope in hell patients with severe symptoms or those that may be in need of ICU resources are going to have a decent chance under the current system.

Ms2011 · 23-02-2020 09:07AM

My niece is due to fly to Milian on March 16th for a week as an exchange student, what will be the likely impact on this do you think?

Pablo Escobar · 23-02-2020 09:20AM

Ms2011 wrote: »

My niece is due to fly to Milian on March 16th for a week as an exchange student, what will be the likely impact on this do you think?

At a guess, yes it will. But all will become more clear over the next 48 to 72 hours I would think.

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 09:23AM

HSE page is a total joke all it says if you've recently travelled from China no word of it spreading in Italy etc no wonder this country has the worst health system

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 09:23AM

Ms2011 wrote: »

My niece is due to fly to Milian on March 16th for a week as an exchange student, what will be the likely impact on this do you think?

I would say its very unlikely the trip will go ahead, id be surprised if we didnt start seeing Europe wide travel restrictions beginning in the next 2 weeks starting with Italy

pc7 · 23-02-2020 09:24AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Two cases confirmed today, one yesterday, number is at 72 total now.

That’s seems totally unbelievable looking at Italian figures, very odd.

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 09:25AM

gozunda wrote: »

That HSE Corona page is little better than a wet hanky imho. Useless. No advice or emergency contacts for anyone reporting a possible Coronavirus infection. Ditto no advice at all about staying away from A&E and GP surgeries.

And again the only 'at risk' groups are those who may have been in "mainland China in the last 14 days" Evidently the HSE believe theres been no spread of infection at all...

This HSE page shows exactly how under resourced our hospitals are. Figures in red show the numbers waiting on trollies (the HSE hilariously refer to these patients as "trolley waiters"). The increase rate for those waiting to be seen is up approx 20% on this time last year.

Not a hope in hell patients with severe symptoms or those that may be in need of ICU resources are going to have a decent chance under the current system.

Interesting as I gleaned all the info you say is not available from news items online. Very clearly indeed,

Just checked and see Irish Times and other reports January 20th plus. Says eg what to do and not to do if you think you are infected

and re isolation units ready.

In reality until and unless it arrives here there is little else that can be done.

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Hector Savage · 23-02-2020 09:28AM

Very worrying indeed, the only positives I can think of is at least now with the situation in Italy and S. Korea we will get accurate data and information - can't trust the Chinese.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-02-2020 09:30AM

Can't be any worse than this ****ing hangover

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 09:31AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Interesting as I gleaned all the info you say is not available from news items online. Very clearly indeed,

Or are you seeking to be spoonfed?

Jesus how hard is it for you to understand this?

You proactively sought this info out but the average person on the street is oblivious to all this and 100% needs to be spoonfed.

Also the fact that the HSEs own official info page still is only indicating travel from china as being an issue shows they are woefully un prepared and they arent doing anything to try keep the public informed

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 09:33AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't be any worse than this ****ing hangover

Awww poor baby

We might see travel restrictions sooner rather than later in Europe but hopefully this is an isolated cluster of cases in Italy.

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 09:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Awww poor baby

We might see travel restrictions sooner rather than later in Europe but hopefully this is an isolated cluster of cases in Italy.

Im not hopeful about it being isolated tbh, maybe if they had caught it a week ago but with 80 odd cases being confirmed in 48 hours I don't see how this hasn't already spread outside the quarantine zones

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 09:40AM

None of this would have happened if China had sorted it out in December

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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