What have we come to

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:33PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Ok, so you don't get how the USC and the proposed income levy for jointly assessed partners works.

It's been spelled out to you, but suffice to say, you're contention that a married couple earning 70k + 70k will attract the 5% levy is tosh you came up with on the spot.

Saving face is going to be difficult for you from here on out, particularly as you were calling everyone idiots and now you look a smidge foolish.

I love the way people on here will keep going

You should note some people will not want to submit separate taxes, for various reasons

But let’s get back to your point, as I said once someone/couple earns 140k they pay the extra, not when take home pay is 140k, which you said was incorrect? Do you admit that is wrong or you still going to try and deflect?

smurgen · 20-02-2020 08:33PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I’m no fan of FG but you not think getting rid of micro beads is not important to the planet?

It's important. Just not so important right now that the minister who has nothing to do with the environment attends to it in the midst of a housing rent and homeless crisis.do FG no anything about management at all? Jesus wept.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:36PM

smurgen wrote: »

It's important. Just not so important right now that the minister who has nothing to do with the environment attends to it in the midst of a housing rent and homeless crisis.do FG no anything about management at all? Jesus wept.

So the government should pass no legislation until the housing crisis is sorted? Just stop everything else going on???

Do you know anything about management ?

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 08:36PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I love the way people on here will keep going

You should note some people will not want to submit separate taxes, for various reasons

But let’s get back to your point, as I said once someone/couple earns 140k they pay the extra, not when take home pay is 140k, which you said was incorrect? Do you admit that is wrong or you still going to try and deflect?

You're actually a brainmelt. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. For a man that was going around calling people low-iq, this is superb stuff.

A couple earning 70k + 70k, or any other combination of salaries that add up to 140k won't attract the levy.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:45PM

Yurt! wrote: »

You're actually a brainmelt. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. For a man that was going around calling people low-iq, this is superb stuff.

A couple earning 70k + 70k, or any other combination of salaries that add up to 140k won't attract the levy.

Keep going, it’s funny how some people will not admit they are wrong and instead think insulting the other person makes them look bigger or better or something.....I have no idea. But sure carry on insulting me....says more about you than me

smurgen · 20-02-2020 08:48PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the government should pass no legislation until the housing crisis is sorted? Just stop everything else going on???

Do you know anything about management ?

Hahaha put in another question mark I don't think you've enough.
I manage a team of 16 professionals with 3 sub teams.our roles are defined and I have tasks and functions assigned to each member of staff. Reporting lines are clearly defined.
It works swimmingly and we're growing faster than we can hire.
Now contrast this to fine Gael where the ministers fail in their own area and start signing off on minor laws in another area.must be chaos!
Maybe they just want to keep him occupied to prevent him from doing more damage.or give him some easy wins so he thinks he's making a difference somewhere.bless

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 08:51PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Keep going, it’s funny how some people will not admit they are wrong and instead think insulting the other person makes them look bigger or better or something.....I have no idea. But sure carry on insulting me....says more about you than me

Lol, you lost this one so hard. You'll be a while coming back from this one.

James Brown · 20-02-2020 08:54PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the government should pass no legislation until the housing crisis is sorted? Just stop everything else going on???

Do you know anything about management ?

It's FG making decisions caused the housing crisis to grow among other things, so no they need to stop.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 09:09PM

smurgen wrote: »

Hahaha put in another question mark I don't think you've enough.
I manage a team of 16 professionals with 3 sub teams.our roles are defined and I have tasks and functions assigned to each member of staff. Reporting lines are clearly defined.
It works swimmingly and we're growing faster than we can hire.
Now contrast this to fine Gael where the ministers fail in their own area and start signing off on minor laws in another area.must be chaos!
Maybe they just want to keep him occupied to prevent him from doing more damage.or give him some easy wins so he thinks he's making a difference somewhere.bless

Why would he sign a bill for a “easy win”?

Did this even make any of the news cycles?

Idbatterim · 20-02-2020 09:17PM

Bowie wrote: »

It's FG making decisions caused the housing crisis to grow among other things, so no they need to stop.

Bowie the real issues is, the created a crisis for some, but for themselves, their cronies and the vast majority of the electorate, who are non renters. they have played a blinder... there is the issue. that is the point, morally corrput bastards, but this situation isnt unique to ireland, seems to be all over the english speaking world. If you have a bit of time, watch this, it explains why governments love rip off housing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3n59wC8kk

smurgen · 20-02-2020 09:30PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Bowie the real issues is, the created a crisis for some, but for themselves, their cronies and the vast majority of the electorate, who are non renters. they have played a blinder... there is the issue. that is the point, morally corrput bastards, but this situation isnt unique to ireland, seems to be all over the english speaking world. If you have a bit of time, watch this, it explains why governments love rip off housing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3n59wC8kk

The problem is for those who own their own house and may be quiet comfortable themselves their children maybe be suffering paying exhuberant rents or worse still they may have adult sons and daughters still living at home.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2020 09:52PM

Idbatterim · 20-02-2020 09:53PM

GST in austrailian, is VAT here...

Brendan Bendar · 21-02-2020 10:12AM

Bowie wrote: »

It's FG making decisions caused the housing crisis to grow among other things, so no they need to stop.

You remind me of the guy who sees his house on fire and instead of letting the firefighters tackle the actual fire, insists that they get his golf clubs out of the garage before they do anything.

GreeBo · 21-02-2020 10:25AM

Bowie wrote: »

Do you;

A) Have a breakdown of the 21,000*?
Do you have links of your own on the numbers of rent to builds?
C) Do you have an opinion on topic, my comment?

*

You are exluding the large volume of housing that was built to live in. Thats not offered on the open market but doesnt mean it went to some scary vulture fund.

GreeBo · 21-02-2020 10:29AM

smurgen wrote: »

Hahaha put in another question mark I don't think you've enough.
I manage a team of 16 professionals with 3 sub teams.our roles are defined and I have tasks and functions assigned to each member of staff. Reporting lines are clearly defined.
It works swimmingly and we're growing faster than we can hire.
Now contrast this to fine Gael where the ministers fail in their own area and start signing off on minor laws in another area.must be chaos!
Maybe they just want to keep him occupied to prevent him from doing more damage.or give him some easy wins so he thinks he's making a difference somewhere.bless

LOL.
FG, you mean the ones who ran the country enabling you to have a business that so successful you cant hire enough people?

Yeah, kick those lads out and get in SF....proven track record of.....?

GreeBo · 21-02-2020 10:31AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Bowie the real issues is, the created a crisis for some, but for themselves, their cronies and the vast majority of the electorate, who are non renters. they have played a blinder... there is the issue. that is the point, morally corrput bastards, but this situation isnt unique to ireland, seems to be all over the english speaking world. If you have a bit of time, watch this, it explains why governments love rip off housing...

Hang on a second.
Its now morally corrupt to do what, in your own words is best for the "vast majority of the electorate"?

Democracy anyone?

facehugger99 · 21-02-2020 10:32AM

Bowie wrote: »

It's FG making decisions caused the housing crisis to grow among other things, so no they need to stop.

Returning the country to full employment, the bastards!

Yurt2 · 21-02-2020 10:35AM

More credit should be given to the Irish people and less to the likes of Michael Noonan etc for the restored growth in the country.

FG aren't responsible for the steady global economic growth since 2012 or so, and they should really stop trying to take the credit for it.

The housing crisis however, was a failure of inaction and dogma in area where the government had competency and did nothing to stop the slowly evolving train crash. They should carry the can for that one. Ditto with health.

solidasarock · 21-02-2020 10:38AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Returning the country to full employment, the bastards!

Everyone has **** paying jobs and high rent.

Well done lads!

facehugger99 · 21-02-2020 10:47AM

solidasarock wrote: »

Everyone has **** paying jobs and high rent.

I don't.

Yurt2 · 21-02-2020 10:56AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I don't.

Hooray for you. Let's never change anything ever in that case.

Case closed lads. We've cracked it.

Brendan Bendar · 21-02-2020 11:19AM

Yurt! wrote: »

More credit should be given to the Irish people and less to the likes of Michael Noonan etc for the restored growth in the country.

FG aren't responsible for the steady global economic growth since 2012 or so, and they should really stop trying to take the credit for it.

The housing crisis however, was a failure of inaction and dogma in area where the government had competency and did nothing to stop the slowly evolving train crash. They should carry the can for that one. Ditto with health.

You remind me of the guy who loses his well paid job and instead of pumping all available effort into establishing replacement income and reducing expenditure, borrows to upgrade the two cars immediately and borrows more for a three week break in Dubai.

:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd · 21-02-2020 11:19AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Returning the country to full employment, the bastards!

People understand this, believe me. So they say: ‘if I cannot get a house now, if my parent cannot get a scan now, but when?’

quokula · 21-02-2020 01:05PM

Yurt! wrote: »

FG aren't responsible for the steady global economic growth since 2012 or so, and they should really stop trying to take the credit for it.

storker · 21-02-2020 01:10PM

quokula wrote: »

Source?

Assuming that this chart does in fact indicate comparative growth, please outline, being specific and with explanations of cause-and-effect, which of FG's policies brought about Ireland's greater rate of growth.

Tony EH · 21-02-2020 02:00PM

Here's a couple of other graphs...

GreeBo · 21-02-2020 02:03PM

storker wrote: »

Source?

Assuming that this chart does in fact indicate comparative growth, please outline, being specific and with explanations of cause-and-effect, which of FG's policies brought about Ireland's greater rate of growth.

Well if it wasnt the government policies of the time, what was it?

storker · 21-02-2020 02:07PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Well if it wasnt the government policies of the time, what was it?

It could have been a rising tide that was happening anyway and lifted the Irish boat with it. It's a bit mysterious that so many seem to be convinced that FG brought about growth, but when pressed are never able to explain how. If someone is so sure that FG caused something, then they must know what FG did to cause it. Otherwise it suspiciously looks like they're just believing what they were told by, er...FG.

What's your explanation?

GreeBo · 21-02-2020 02:11PM

storker wrote: »

It could have been a rising tide that was happening anyway and lifted the Irish boat with it. It's a bit mysterious that so many seem to be convinced that FG brought about growth, but when pressed are never able to explain how. If someone is so sure that FG caused something, then they must know what FG did to cause it. Otherwise it suspiciously looks like they're just believing what they were told by, er...FG.

What's your explanation?

The rising tide that brought the Irish boat 2-3 times higher?

Lets turn the argument on its head.
During the last 9 years the Irish economy has outgrown the euro area.
Please explain how this is not due to the policies of the government at the time?

What have we come to

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