What have we come to

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 06:32PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Here we go on the merry-go-round again. Everyone who voted in a manner you disagreed with is an unemployed sponger. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Anyone with a decent job are looking at losing wages from 5% up if they voted SF......

How many people are willing to lose 5% more of their wages to pay for a group of spongers as you call them....I prefer wasters myself

blanch152 · 20-02-2020 06:33PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

SDs enjoyed a lot of transfers in the SF surpluses, in my view the only reason they didn't get more support was simply because they didn't have the air of being a big enough party to truly challenge the status quo. The #VoteLeftTransferLeft document which was widely circulated among folks my age advised voting SF #1, transferring to PBP, then left leaning independents, then SocDems.

The reason FF aren't trusted in this regard is more than just their record as having presided over the banking crises and property bubble, they were also widely trashed as having begun the policy FG accelerated, of knocking down social housing, selling half of the sites to the developers of the new PPP project, and then rebuilding them with a significantly reduced proportion of public housing included.

For those interested, this is the document which I believe was created by a PBP candidate (although it got shared so widely that I'm struggling to find the original posting of it) and was shared in every WhatsApp group and Facebook group I'm a member of, with a massively positive reaction among my own peers (who are generally in the 25-30 age group). Personally I didn't follow this one to the letter, in my constituency I voted PBP #1, SF #2, SocDem #3 and voted the whole way down the ballot paper to make sure that FF were at least above FG if the transfers went that far. That was a much about sending a message to FG as anything else, tbh.

If young people voted on the basis of that document, I despair for the future.

No consideration of what is good for the country, no consideration of policy, just a personality-based decision.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 06:35PM

blanch152 wrote: »

If young people voted on the basis of that document, I despair for the future.

No consideration of what is good for the country, no consideration of policy, just a personality-based decision.

Anyone with a decent IQ wouldn't

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 06:38PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone with a decent job are looking at losing wages from 5% up if they voted SF......

How many people are willing to lose 5% more of their wages to pay for a group of spongers as you call them....I prefer wasters myself

The levy of 5% was/is to kick in at 140k to my understanding. 'Decent jobs' don't start at 140k, but I'll leave you to your illusions.

blanch152 · 20-02-2020 06:43PM

Yurt! wrote: »

The levy of 5% was/is to kick in at 140k to my understanding. 'Decent jobs' don't start at 140k, but I'll leave you to your illusions.

A couple on two decent incomes earning 75k each, just got their huge mortgage and will be delighted to pay the extra 5%.

smurgen · 20-02-2020 06:46PM

blanch152 wrote: »

A couple on two decent incomes earning 75k each, just got their huge mortgage and will be delighted to pay the extra 5%.

If they have to get a huge mortgage it means that FG made their housing unaffordable.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 06:47PM

Yurt! wrote: »

The levy of 5% was/is to kick in at 140k to my understanding. 'Decent jobs' don't start at 140k, but I'll leave you to your illusions.

Two people married earning 70k each?

Trying topay for kids, mortgage etc. That's the people SF want to screw

140 this year, 120k next year, 100k the following year, anything to keep the waster fed is the SF way

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 06:47PM

smurgen wrote: »

If they have to get a huge mortgage it means that FG made their housing unaffordable.

No it doesnt

smurgen · 20-02-2020 06:48PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No it doesnt

Low iq poster makes low iq post.colour me shocked!

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 06:49PM

blanch152 wrote: »

A couple on two decent incomes earning 75k each, just got their huge mortgage and will be delighted to pay the extra 5%.

That's not how tax credits or the PAYE system works. Are you sure you're a clever hard working boy on loadzadosh?

smurgen · 20-02-2020 06:50PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Two people married earning 70k each?

Trying topay for kids, mortgage etc. That's the people SF want to screw

140 this year, 120k next year, 100k the following year, anything to keep the waster fed is the SF way

Keep posting nonsense.keep linking Blanche's posts.the electorate will continue to punish fine Gael.

James Brown · 20-02-2020 07:01PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Why do you keep posting lies? The statement in bold is a lie.

The link you provide does nothing to back it up, in fact it shows the lie for what it is. Build-to-rent is limited to the apartment sector. However, as your link says:

"But the stockbrokers said that apartments continue to represent a very low share of output in the country's residential sector and the sector is estimated to represent 17% of home completions last year. "

Even if build-to-rent accounted for all apartments built in the country last year, they would still only account for a minority of 17% of all new builds.

Edit: The second link you provided also showed that you were posting a lie.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/investors-pile-into-property-as-turnover-in-build-to-rent-sector-reaches-2-54bn-1.4177334

"In the past 12 months forward commitments accounted for about €1.3 billion, or 51 per cent, of activity, up from €531 million the previous year. Those sales comprised 2,850 homes, while the total number of units transacted last year is estimated to be in excess of 6,500."

That means the number of homes bought by build-to-rent in 2019 was 3,850 (6,500 minus the 2,850 forward commitments). That is a minority of the over 21,000 built in that year.

Okay...

The largest increase was in apartments, with 613 new apartments completed in the first three months of the year. This was a rise of 28pc on last year.
There has been a surge in fast-track applications for build-to-rent apartment blocks from developers, with most of these unlikely to go on sale to families.
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/revealed-how-many-new-homes-were-completed-in-the-first-three-months-of-2019-38117821.html

Rent-only apartment schemes on the up but ownership declines
Dublin will have 3,000 new apartments in 2019 – most privately rented
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/rent-only-apartment-schemes-on-the-up-but-ownership-declines-1.3778903?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Frent-only-apartment-schemes-on-the-up-but-ownership-declines-1.3778903

Dublin investment market dominated by private rented sector in 2019
Build-to-rent sector poised for five years’ sustained growth in capital and other cities
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/dublin-investment-market-dominated-by-private-rented-sector-in-2019-1.4101973?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fdublin-investment-market-dominated-by-private-rented-sector-in-2019-1.4101973

Most, or majority, take your pick, of new builds are build to rent.
These aren't even the original article which I believe you posted that I quoted from.
Point is we are moving in that direction and FG policy encourages it. Hopefully this will change.
I never called you are liar for peddling the false narrative about the percentage of vulture fund properties. It's called keeping it country Blanch.

Hats off though. A master class in pedantry and insults, yet divulge no opinion on topic.

James Brown · 20-02-2020 07:14PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone with a decent job are looking at losing wages from 5% up if they voted SF......

How many people are willing to lose 5% more of their wages to pay for a group of spongers as you call them....I prefer wasters myself

Relax FG are out. Dara in europe...not sure were Kenny is...

blanch152 · 20-02-2020 07:17PM

Bowie wrote: »

Okay...

Most, or majority, take your pick, of new builds are build to rent.
These aren't even the original article which I believe you posted that I quoted from.
Point is we are moving in that direction and FG policy encourages it. Hopefully this will change.
I never called you are liar for peddling the false narrative about the percentage of vulture fund properties. It's called keeping it country Blanch.

Hats off though. A master class in pedantry and insults, yet divulge no opinion on topic.

21,000 homes were built in 2019.

The numbers of build to rent that you quote are nowhere near a majority - it is incredible that you keep posting this untruth.

Take just the first article you post: "A total of 4,275 homes and apartments were completed in the first quarter"

"The largest increase was in apartments, with 613 new apartments completed in the first three months of the year"

"There has been a surge in fast-track applications for build-to-rent apartment blocks from developers, with most of these unlikely to go on sale to families"

On what planet is a fraction of 613, or even the vast majority of 613, a majority of 4,275?

I am going to just leave it there now.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 07:18PM

smurgen wrote: »

Keep posting nonsense.keep linking Blanche's posts.the electorate will continue to punish fine Gael.

You seem to have issues with capitals, full stop and sentences.....will say no more

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 07:21PM

Yurt! wrote: »

That's not how tax credits or the PAYE system works. Are you sure you're a clever hard working boy on loadzadosh?

Did you actually read what was in the manifesto, once you are earning 140k then its the 5%, it is not if you take home pay is above 140k.....seriously read the manifesto before you start defending it

Great example of the Irish voter, not a breeze what is going on

Plus it starts at 100k.....Taper out tax credits on incomes over €100,000 up to €140,000 (€185m in tax revenue)

So once you and partner earn over 100k they start to tax the ass off you.....

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 07:24PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You seem to have issues with capitals, full stop and sentences.....will say no more

You seem to have issues with capitals, full stops and sentences.....I will say no more.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 07:24PM

For those that missed it......

The alternative budget looks to target high-income earners and employers, with proposals to:

Taper out tax credits on incomes over €100,000 up to €140,000 (€185m in tax revenue)
Introduce a 5% income levy on income over €140,000 (bringing in €310m in tax revenue)
Introduce additional 4.9% employer PRSI rate on portion of salaries over €100,000 (bringing in €376m in tax revenue)

Thats just in the election, what comes next year, down to 80k?

Cupatae · 20-02-2020 07:46PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Only ones who actually ‘did anything ‘ concrete(pardon the unintended pun)
about it.

Remainder have horsed out ideas and stuff but haven’t laid a block.

Let’s wait and see how they do, I hope they do well and fulfill their promises, but as of now they haven’t laid an official brick on a brick.

Ya talk is cheap people won't be long shredding sf if they get into power and do **** all they will never win again it's all riding on this one

James Brown · 20-02-2020 07:50PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Ya talk is cheap people won't be long shredding sf if they get into power and do **** all they will never win again it's all riding on this one

If only that were true of all failed government parties.

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 07:52PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Did you actually read what was in the manifesto, once you are earning 140k then its the 5%, it is not if you take home pay is above 140k.....seriously read the manifesto before you start defending it

Great example of the Irish voter, not a breeze what is going on

Plus it starts at 100k.....Taper out tax credits on incomes over €100,000 up to €140,000 (€185m in tax revenue)

So once you and partner earn over 100k they start to tax the ass off you.....

Wrong. Like the USC and the income levy that preceded it, the levy is applied on individual gross incomes only. What's more, it's explicitly stated.

You're 70k + 70k hypothesis is fake news. Only the individual income above 140k threshold will attract the levy.

In any case, you realise that married couples / civil partners can elect to be assessed separately?

James Brown · 20-02-2020 07:58PM

blanch152 wrote: »

21,000 homes were built in 2019.

The numbers of build to rent that you quote are nowhere near a majority - it is incredible that you keep posting this untruth.

Take just the first article you post: "A total of 4,275 homes and apartments were completed in the first quarter"

"The largest increase was in apartments, with 613 new apartments completed in the first three months of the year"

"There has been a surge in fast-track applications for build-to-rent apartment blocks from developers, with most of these unlikely to go on sale to families"

On what planet is a fraction of 613, or even the vast majority of 613, a majority of 4,275?

I am going to just leave it there now.

Do you;

A) Have a breakdown of the 21,000*?

Do you have links of your own on the numbers of rent to builds?
C) Do you have an opinion on topic, my comment?

*

Only around 8,000 of the 21,000 new homes built in the Republic last year were offered for sale on the open market.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/just-8-000-new-homes-for-sale-morrison-to-change-hands-and-irish-growth-to-slow-1.4177890?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fjust-8-000-new-homes-for-sale-morrison-to-change-hands-and-irish-growth-to-slow-1.4177890

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:04PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Wrong. Like the USC and the income levy that preceded it, the levy is applied on individual gross incomes only. What's more, it's explicitly stated.

You're 70k + 70k hypothesis is fake news. Only the individual income above 140k threshold will attract the levy.

In any case, you realise that married couples / civil partners can elect to be assessed separately?

Not what’s in the manifesto

» Ensuring that those who benefit most from our economy pay their fair share, funding our public services and protecting the public finances. We will introduce a 5% levy on individual incomes above €140,000, and remove tax credits from individual incomes above €140,000, tapered at a rate of 2.5% for every €1,000 above €100,000

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 08:07PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not what’s in the manifesto

» Ensuring that those who benefit most from our economy pay their fair share, funding our public services and protecting the public finances. We will introduce a 5% levy on individual incomes above €140,000, and remove tax credits from individual incomes above €140,000, tapered at a rate of 2.5% for every €1,000 above €100,000

Do you get how the USC (and the income levy before it) is applied to married couples? Blink once for yes, twice for no.

*Bolded a bit there for you to help you out

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:22PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Do you get how the USC (and the income levy before it) is applied to married couples? Blink once for yes, twice for no.

*Bolded a bit there for you to help you out

So you admit all of this is wrong?

Yurt! wrote: »

Wrong. Like the USC and the income levy that preceded it, the levy is applied on individual gross incomes only. What's more, it's explicitly stated.

smurgen · 20-02-2020 08:23PM

Wait wait wait.... While student accommodation raises yet again and rent costs spiral out of control for the working classes what is Eoghan Murphy doing? He's signing laws banning microbeads. Of all the useless lumps even to enter the Dail he must be near the top. An embarrassment to our country.Fine Gael are an absolute joke! I cannot wait to see them fade into obscurity.Their fake veneer of respectibility is gone and their unfounded sense of superiority is now on view for all to marvel at.

https://www.thejournal.ie/microbeads-law-ireland-5015080-Feb2020/

wetlandsboy · 20-02-2020 08:25PM

smurgen wrote: »

Wait wait wait.... While student accommodation raises yet again and rent costs spiral out of control for the working classes what is Eoghan Murphy doing? He's signing laws banning microbeads. Of all the useless lumps even to enter the Dail he must be near the top. An embarrassment to our country.Fine Gael are an absolute joke! I cannot wait to see them fade into obscurity.Their fake veneer of respectibility is gone and their unfounded sense of superiority is now on view for all to marvel at.

https://www.thejournal.ie/microbeads-law-ireland-5015080-Feb2020/

You clearly know nothing about the environment. It’s actually embarrassing.

Shefwedfan · 20-02-2020 08:26PM

smurgen wrote: »

Wait wait wait.... While student accommodation raises yet again and rent costs spiral out of control for the working classes what is Eoghan Murphy doing? He's signing laws banning microbeads. Of all the useless lumps even to enter the Dail he must be near the top. An embarrassment to our country.Fine Gael are an absolute joke! I cannot wait to see them fade into obscurity.Their fake veneer of respectibility is gone and their unfounded sense of superiority is now on view for all to marvel at.

https://www.thejournal.ie/microbeads-law-ireland-5015080-Feb2020/

I’m no fan of FG but you not think getting rid of micro beads is not important to the planet?

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 08:28PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you admit all of this is wrong?

Ok, so you don't get how the USC and the proposed income levy for jointly assessed partners works.

It's been spelled out to you, but suffice to say, you're contention that a married couple earning 70k + 70k will attract the 5% levy is tosh you came up with on the spot.

Saving face is going to be difficult for you from here on out, particularly as you were calling everyone idiots and now you look a smidge foolish.

smurgen · 20-02-2020 08:31PM

wetlandsboy wrote: »

You clearly know nothing about the environment. It’s actually embarrassing.

Is Eoghan Murphy the minister for the environment?

What have we come to

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