new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

19-02-2020 11:35PM

That story is five days old and I haven't heard anything about it since. Hopefully that's a good sign it's unfounded.

As for the tweet re: Qom quarantine.. I see someone in the comments saying it's bull because the signs aren't in Chinese!

bodhrandude · 19-02-2020 11:37PM

Has the OP LaFuton posted recently, I haven't seen him around.

wakka12 · 19-02-2020 11:41PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Curious how Taiwan culture differs from the country China's culture? Is it more democratic or more authoritarian?

Christ, that news could be scary, but I am taking everything with a grain of salt.

Not sure really, but I just heard a lot of people on reddit from Taiwan saying that the media make up stories, not stretch the truth or sensationalise like Irish tabloids but completely fabricate stories

AdamB · 19-02-2020 11:42PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Call Joe Duffy

That set off the Joe Duffy jingle in my head....

BanditLuke · 19-02-2020 11:44PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Call Joe Duffy

On a serious note can you imagine the amount of pure misery that Joe would ring out of any Covid19 outbreak here on a large scale

SeaBreezes · 19-02-2020 11:44PM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

This virus just doesn't do good news.

I know! I was thinking just get it over with and roll the dice and be one of the first into ICU if needed then I read that. No immunity? Fe*k.
And re-infection? Double Fe*k.

givyjoe · 19-02-2020 11:45PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

On a serious note can you imagine the amount of pure misery that Joe would ring out of any Covid19 outbreak here on a large scale

Disgraceful Joe

bodhrandude · 19-02-2020 11:51PM

The BBC do an interesting piece here about fake news and sensationalist scaremongering headlines. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51504512

gozunda · 19-02-2020 11:56PM

Situation reports (WHO) showing spread of Corona virus to other provinces

eg Henan adjacent to Wuhan Province

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

SeaBreezes · 19-02-2020 11:57PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

The BBC do an interesting piece here about fake news and sensationalist scaremongering headlines. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51504512

How is it fake news? The research was: The study estimated nearly 60,000 people might have travelled to almost 400 cities worldwide before the Wuhan authorities had imposed a ban on travel.

The story was: leading to headlines such as "New map reveals no country safe from coronavirus tentacles" and "Terrifying map reveals how thousands of Wuhan travellers could have spread coronavirus to 400 cities worldwide."

BanditLuke · 20-02-2020 12:00AM

Some effort by the Chinese to stop this spreading to Beijing and Shanghai.

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 12:00AM

It may not be fake news but certainly falls into the latter 'sensationalist scare mongering headline'

RebelButtMunch · 20-02-2020 12:01AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Call a local GP or medical center / local HSE clinic etc...

Calling 999 for flu symptoms seems rather excessive, no?
So much for easing sense of panic.

Yeah maybe. Although in the context of a pandemic maybe not. I wonder have the 999 people already planned for that announcement.

bodhrandude · 20-02-2020 12:03AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

How is it fake news? The research was: The study estimated nearly 60,000 people might have travelled to almost 400 cities worldwide before the Wuhan authorities had imposed a ban on travel.

The story was: leading to headlines such as "New map reveals no country safe from coronavirus tentacles" and "Terrifying map reveals how thousands of Wuhan travellers could have spread coronavirus to 400 cities worldwide."

No not that bit it was the tabloids latching on to the flight map and misinterpreting it as the Wuhan residents flight path to the rest of the world which it wasn't, it was just a flight map of the world in general from another discussion on the same topic.

ObiTwoKenobi · 20-02-2020 12:04AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Both countries are testing all flu like symptoms The data in these countries over the next few wees will help give us a better understanding of what we are dealing with

What? Have they developed a urine test for the virus?

laurah591 · 20-02-2020 12:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

Situation reports (WHO) showing spread of Corona virus to other provinces

eg Henan adjacent to Wuhan Province

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

Will be interested to see how WHO report tomorrow following China's amendment to reporting criteria (ie formally diagnosed cases only) I understand today's increase of 367 odd was a net figure dismissing some cases previously counted.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-02-2020 12:20AM

I wonder will they consider using the natural super weapon that is available? They could use bacterial phages.

It seems like an ideal testing ground against this.

bodhrandude · 20-02-2020 12:23AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I wonder will they consider using the natural super weapon that is available? They could use bacterial phages.

It seems like an ideal testing ground against this.

What's that now?

BanditLuke · 20-02-2020 12:26AM

CNN had a guy on earlier talking to a guy on board the ship. Sounded grim on there

bodhrandude · 20-02-2020 12:28AM

Coronavirus could cost global economy $1 Trillion Dollars in lost income if it turns into a pandemic. (Guardian)

Kermit.de.frog · 20-02-2020 12:30AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Watching a live stream there, the commentators saying the hospitals that were thrown up in a few days were a p.r exercise primarily, bad design, infrastructure problems, people in large rooms together cross infecting.

This is how communist regimes work sadly. You can't believe a single thing they do or say especially to the outside world.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-02-2020 12:32AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

What's that now?

Look up bacteriaphage on youtube.

I heard of it before. Really interesting what it does to bacteria harmful to humans.

Seen as a possible solution to antibiotics crisis too.

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 12:35AM

No new cases in Shanghai for second day in a row

fritzelly · 20-02-2020 12:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Look up bacteriaphage on youtube.

I heard of it before. Really interesting what it does to bacteria harmful to humans.

Seen as a possible solution to antibiotics crisis too.

They attack bacteria but this is a thread about a virus???

BanditLuke · 20-02-2020 12:39AM

wakka12 wrote: »

No new cases in Shanghai for second day in a row

Incredible really.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-02-2020 12:39AM

fritzelly wrote: »

They attack bacteria but this is a thread about a virus???

It is a virus, I don't know if it can be applied to this though because I don't know enough about it.

fritzelly · 20-02-2020 12:43AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It is a virus, I don't know if it can be applied to this though because I don't know enough about it.

Why spout nonsense when you don't even know how they work
Move over to the conspiracy forum - never thought you were this type Kermit

BloodBath · 20-02-2020 12:45AM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

This virus just doesn't do good news.

Not when you use unreliable news sources who still have links to debunked conspiracy theories like the cremation gases on their main page.

SeaBreezes wrote: »

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200219-sitrep-30-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=6e50645_2

WHO Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Report – 29 Feb 19..
WHO is working with an international network of statisticians and mathematical modelers to estimate key epidemiologic parameters of COVID19, such as the incubation period (the time between infection and symptom onset), case fatality ratio (CFR, the proportion of cases that die), and the serial interval (the time between symptom onset of a primary and secondary case). Reports of current analyses that have estimated these parameters are provided in this Situation Report as a summary of currently available evidence. These values should be considered preliminary and parameters will likely be updated as more information becomes available.

Preliminary estimates of median incubation period are 5-6 days (ranging from 0-14 days) and estimates for the serial interval range from 4.4 to 7.5 days

The confirmed case fatality ratio, or CFR, is the total number of deaths divided by the total number of confirmed cases at one point in time. Within China, the confirmed CFR, as reported by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, is 2.3%. This is based on 1023 deaths amongst 44 415 laboratory-confirmed cases as of 11 February.
This CFR does not include the number of more mild infections that may be missed from current surveillance, which has largely focused on patients with pneumonia requiring hospitalization; nor does it account for the fact that recently confirmed cases may yet develop severe disease, and some may die. As the outbreak continues, the confirmed CFR may change.

(They skip past the fact all they have to do, to get a better idea, is factor in the time lag to closed cases, and estimate the number of cases 3 weeks(ish) before, but everyone seems to be fudging that issue, so it must be a scary number, otherwise it would be all over every release.(IMO))

Anyway, here is it, the latest and greatest from WHO..

Edit: Comments in Twitter make me laugh/cry:

- When do we expect the findings from the team
- Apparently after half the world's population has it.

Bolded the point I've made several times. These WHO stats don't take into account undiagnosed cases which with most infections like these far exceed confirmed ones. Chinas draconic measures probably rounded up many who were recorvering at home but I'm sure they missed a lot too.

fritzelly · 20-02-2020 12:50AM

Looks like S Korea numbers are about to do a massive jump in new cases

BanditLuke · 20-02-2020 12:53AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Looks like S Korea numbers are about to do a massive jump in new cases

Yeah South Korea and Japan are the ones to watch.