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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #7112
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Well in that case then it is not airborne at all. I was going to say that initially but I wasn't sure.

    The WHO say they can not completely rule out the possibility of it being airborne but there is no evidence of it yet.


  • #7113
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    AdamD wrote: »
    I'm sure governments would rather have a small subset of extremely interested people over reacting than the potential for panic among general population

    The people over reacting are the same ones spreading fear and disinformation to the uninformed which doesn't help reduce panic at all.


  • #7114
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    BloodBath wrote: »
    The people over reacting are the same ones spreading fear and disinformation to the uninformed which doesn't help reduce panic at all.

    People here are actually stockpiling food and provisions because they foresee some kind of zombie apocalypse in the coming months.


  • #7115
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    tuxy wrote: »
    The WHO say they can not completely rule out the possibility of it being airborne but there is no evidence of it yet.
    I would assume if this was like the measles and the virus gets suspended in the air, there would be a far far higher number of cases. It's possible, but there doesn't seem to be spreading of that nature outside of Hubei.


  • #7116
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    AdamD wrote: »
    I'm sure governments would rather have a small subset of extremely interested people over reacting than the potential for panic among general population

    So if you are extremely interested in how this is unfolding you are automatically over reacting? I presume that is not what you meant?


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  • #7117
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    People here are actually stockpiling food and provisions because they foresee some kind of zombie apocalypse in the coming months.

    Every expert in this field is very worried about this. Planning ahead for the worst case scenario is not a bad idea at all


  • #7118
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    The virus can be spread through droplets AND aerosol.

    That means a sneeze (droplets), or a dry cough (aerosol), the big difference is aerosol particles can be much smaller and somewhat airborne for a short time.
    When you have small interior rooms on a crusie liner using powerful air-con, that may well spread aerosol particulates.

    Not forgetting direct surface contact, via all othe body secretions (including sweat), entering mainly via the touching of the face (eyes/nose/mouth).


  • #7119
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Oh here we are back at "Ahh is it really serious." Government agencies have a job to preserve public order, which allows them to more effectively deal with the problem. So look at what they do rather than simply listening to their soothing words.

    There's nothing to worry about, but:
    • We've cut out 90% of international air travel capacity to China
    • 10% of the worlds population is on lockdown
    • They're spraying the streets with disinfectant
    • Many countries have banned travel, rather than simply advised against it
    • Citizens are being flown to the likes of military bases for quarantine when evacuated
    • Factories and businesses have been so affected that production lines are shutting down and companies are warning of shortages for all sorts
    • The public aspect of the Tokyo marathon, in a country with relatively few cases, has been cancelled and less than 1% of participants will now run

    Like, sit back and say "It'll all be grand yeah", but maybe let people who think they might be wise to buy in a few provisions away with themselves just in case. The actions of government officials are not actions of people sitting in their offices saying "This? This is nothing."


  • #7120
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    The WHO have not confirmed it. How was it confirmed?
    By some of the posters on this thread perhaps?



    Possible, but not yet confirmed it seems. Who confirmed this wasn't easily transmissible??

    Fcuk me, what an overreaction by the Chinese government so. What are we up to now, 730 million ordered to stay at home :rolleyes:.

    There is a mind boggling cohort of people here desperate to believe this isn't something to worry about, isn't a big deal, will be all over soon etc etc.


  • #7121
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Every expert in this field is very worried about this. Planning ahead for the worst case scenario is not a bad idea at all

    Yeah we're all "very worried" about stuff.

    Here is an Irish expert who doesn't appear to be "very worried"

    rte.ie/news/2020/0218/1116149-coronavirus-questions-answered/
    It's possible we will get a small number of cases
    There is a minimal to negligible risk of acquiring coronavirus in Ireland at this time


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  • #7122
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your analysis of the data is reading a few figures of a non-official website. Why are you not taking the remaining cases and then taking their age groups and associated death rate statistics we have so far, and then adding the percentage of cases which are never reported, to come to your figure?

    Do you believe you have a more accurate figure than professional organisations, based on the data you are using and your methods?


    I don't have any data. I'm pulling stats from Workdometer, which uses the data that is currently open to the public, it's the same data you will find anywhere else
    What do you mean by "taking the remaining cases"? Any case that hasn't been reported won't show up in these stats. Stats are based on actual data only


  • #7123
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    PhantomHat wrote: »
    This thread is just going through periods of blind optimism and then it switches to waves of overreacting despair and then back again.

    Genuinely interested to see any posts you can quote even remotely close to this description. Blind optimism on the other hand seems to be rampant.


  • #7124
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,392 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Oh here we are back at "Ahh is it really serious." Government agencies have a job to preserve public order, which allows them to more effectively deal with the problem. So look at what they do rather than simply listening to their soothing words.

    There's nothing to worry about, but:
    • We've cut out 90% of international air travel capacity to China
    • 10% of the worlds population is on lockdown
    • They're spraying the streets with disinfectant
    • Many countries have banned travel, rather than simply advised against it
    • Citizens are being flown to the likes of military bases for quarantine when evacuated
    • Factories and businesses have been so affected that production lines are shutting down and companies are warning of shortages for all sorts
    • The public aspect of the Tokyo marathon, in a country with relatively few cases, has been cancelled and less than 1% of participants will now run

    Like, sit back and say "It'll all be grand yeah", but maybe let people who think they might be wise to buy in a few provisions away with themselves just in case. The actions of government officials are not actions of people sitting in their offices saying "This? This is nothing."

    All those actions have been taken by countries who have some capability of dealing with large scale emergencies.

    In Ireland, we don't have the capability to deal with a full blown crisis so we're terrified of something that looks like one ... and anyone who says I think I see one coming must be a scaremongerer.

    The latest interview I heard was Ireland will be grand... as long as we only get 10 - 20 cases.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7125
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    People here are actually stockpiling food and provisions because they foresee some kind of zombie apocalypse in the coming months.

    Ridiculous.

    0 confirmed cases here so far.

    These people will send everyone into a panic if a case happens here.


  • #7126
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Ridiculous.

    0 confirmed cases here so far.

    These people will send everyone into a panic if a case happens here.

    Ah shure if we do get a few cases here this thread will absolutely lose it's shiit :D

    And if we get a single death from this new corona virus, they'll be digging bunkers and shooting strangers.


  • #7127
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    BloodBath wrote: »
    The people over reacting are the same ones spreading fear and disinformation to the uninformed which doesn't help reduce panic at all.

    Username checks out;)


  • #7128
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Yeah we're all "very worried" about stuff.

    Here is an Irish expert.

    rte.ie/news/2020/0218/1116149-coronavirus-questions-answered/

    I put that link up earlier, just without the pejorative insinuation. Interestingly, your own quote says:
    There is a minimal to negligible risk of acquiring coronavirus in Ireland at this time

    I would agree with that , at this time, while the virus does not appear to be spreading much outside of China there is a negligible risk in Ireland. I accept that and think its a reasonable stance to take. I have decided to take some small steps to mitigate this small but potential chance this virus does start spreading more then we can control. I am not building a bunker in my back garden, but have thrown a few euros at a few things in case there is a bit of panic. Hopefully , by being prepared more, I will be able to inform others and not be a part of the panic that will ensue if it starts creating serious problems on our healthcare system.

    I would also take the same stance on my house burning down. There is a negligible risk that this will happen any given year, less so as neither myself nor my wife smoke (or even drink much) therefore we are by default less likely to have moments of being negligent or not sober to be careful. But I have house insurance to rebuild my house if it does burn down, a smoke alarm as an early warning device and a small fire extinguisher under my sink in the Kitchen that may hopefully help me prevent a potential fire from going out of control. Is that me panicking or just taking some measures that in the highly unlikely chance of a fire in my house I have some safety nets to help reduce the impact?


  • #7129
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Possible, but not yet confirmed it seems. Who confirmed this wasn't easily transmissible??

    Fcuk me, what an overreaction by the Chinese government so. What are we up to now, 730 million ordered to stay at home :rolleyes:.

    There is a mind boggling cohort of people here desperate to believe this isn't something to worry about, isn't a big deal, will be all over soon etc etc.

    You have said it has been confirmed that it is airborne.
    I would just like a source. Why are people so offended and reluctant when asked for a source?
    givyjoe wrote: »
    Genuinely interested to see any posts you can quote even remotely close to this description. Blind optimism on the other hand seems to be rampant.

    You must admit that many are posting misinformation, saying it is airborne is the perfect example of this.


  • #7130
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I put that link up earlier, just without the pejorative insinuation. Interestingly, your own quote says:


    I would agree with that , at this time, while the virus does not appear to be spreading much outside of China there is a negligible risk in Ireland. I accept that and think its a reasonable stance to take. I have decided to take some small steps to mitigate this small but potential chance this virus does start spreading more then we can control. I am not building a bunker in my back garden, but have thrown a few euros at a few things in case there is a bit of panic. Hopefully , by being prepared more, I will be able to inform others and not be a part of the panic that will ensue if it starts creating serious problems on our healthcare system.

    I would also take the same stance on my house burning down. There is a negligible risk that this will happen any given year, less so as neither myself nor my wife smoke (or even drink much) therefore we are by default less likely to have moments of being negligent or not sober to be careful. But I have house insurance to rebuild my house if it does burn down, a smoke alarm as an early warning device and a small fire extinguisher under my sink in the Kitchen that may hopefully help me prevent a potential fire from going out of control. Is that me panicking or just taking some measures that in the highly unlikely chance of a fire in my house I have some safety nets to help reduce the impact?

    Well that rambling boy scout anecdote has me thoroughly convinced to go out and stockpile food in the anticipation that this negligible risk will lead to a breakdown of society and empty shops.

    Or maybe I will just accept the risk and continue living my life as normal.


  • #7131
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    tuxy wrote: »
    You have said it has been confirmed that it is airborne.
    I would just like a source. Why are people so offended and reluctant when asked for a source?
    Does not need a source.

    It can be (temporarly) airbone, as it can be spread through droplets AND aerosol. Also via surface contact.
    It's a different type of (stable)airborneness when compared to a gas, but aerosols are also airbone by definition.


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  • #7132
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Well that rambling boy scout anecdote has me thoroughly convinced to go out and stockpile food in the anticipation that this negligible risk will lead to a breakdown of society and empty shops.

    Or maybe I will just accept the risk and continue living my life as normal.

    the decision is entirely up to you ;)


  • #7133
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Does not need a source.

    It can be (temporarly) airbone, as it can be spread through droplets AND aerosol. Also via surface contact.

    But the WHO is saying there is no evidence that it is airborne.
    Perhaps there is evidence of it spreading through the air not contained in droplets. But that would be a new development I am not aware of yet.
    A source would be appreciated.


  • #7134
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Well that rambling boy scout anecdote has me thoroughly convinced to go out and stockpile food in the anticipation that this negligible risk will lead to a breakdown of society and empty shops.

    Is this the only way you can converse on this topic? When a person reverts to insulting somebody to perhaps avoid meaningful engagement, one has to wonder if they lack the capacity for objective reasoning. Can you discuss this without reverting to insults please ?


  • #7135
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    tuxy wrote: »
    You have said it has been confirmed that it is airborne.
    I would just like a source. Why are people so offended and reluctant when asked for a source?



    You must admit that many are posting misinformation, saying it is airborne is the perfect example of this.

    Warning I cannot confirm the source so it could be AI generated or from a different outbreak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTONW70IX0


  • #7136
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Does not need a source.

    It can be (temporarly) airbone, as it can be spread through droplets AND aerosol. Also via surface contact.
    It's a different type of (stable)airborneness when compared to a gas, but aerosols are also airbone by definition.

    It doesn't affect the sinus so aerosol is not really a problem outside of normal sneezing.


  • #7137
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Does not need a source.

    It can be (temporarly) airbone, as it can be spread through droplets AND aerosol. Also via surface contact.
    It's a different type of (stable)airborneness when compared to a gas, but aerosols are also airbone by definition.
    That's not airborne. Airborne means the virus can survive through air circulation. If it was airborne you'd get infected just by being in the same area as someone who has it. With this, and pretty much all coronaviruses, you need direct contact with the droplets from an infected person, or to touch and transfer those droplets off surface to your nose or mouth.


  • #7138
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    You have said it has been confirmed that it is airborne.
    I would just like a source. Why are people so offended and reluctant when asked for a source?

    I literally just said it was possible, but not confirmed, i.e. my earlier point about it being confirmed is not correct. Go have a google! I'm not offended. I actually can't find the the source I was reading stating it was possible, so a different news source quoting the WHO who haven't confirmed/rule out airborne transmission yet, stating more studies/data is required.

    The CDC's own site is hardly conclusive with how its spreading.

    Question for you, do you believe this virus is NOT easily transmissible and if you do, why? This is the crux of the baseless point that I disagreed with it. The reality of what has happened clearly contradicts this unfounded notion that it isn't extremely easily spread. That is the point that I was making, regardless of confirmation of exact forms of transmission, it's quite clearly easily transmissible.


  • #7139
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    You have said it has been confirmed that it is airborne.
    I would just like a source. Why are people so offended and reluctant when asked for a source?



    You must admit that many are posting misinformation, saying it is airborne is the perfect example of this.

    That is complete and utter nonsense. The airborne theory was literally reported in mainstream media new broadcasts, as was the original theory of transmission from the asymptomatic patient in Germany. Commenting on those reports is clearly not panicking, its ridiculous to even infer that. Again, no posts I have seen could remotely be construed as panicking.

    Ps. Please create a new post instead of wholesale additions to your original after the fact.


  • #7140
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Warning I cannot confirm the source so it could be AI generated or from a different outbreak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTONW70IX0

    While that is better than most who post no source at all, it is an official press conference so it should available on official news source. I had a quick look and could not find it yet.
    I would be worried if the WHO were to contradict their official written statements during a press conference.


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  • #7141
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    givyjoe wrote: »
    That is complete and utter nonsense. The airborne theory was literally reported in mainstream media new broadcasts, as was the original theory of transmission from the asymptomatic patient in Germany. Commenting on those reports is clearly not panicking, its ridiculous to even infer that. Again, no posts I have seen could remotely be construed as panicking.

    Source?
    The WHO still say it is not airborne, are there other health organisations contradicting this?


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