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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    gozunda wrote: »
    I dont believe anyone questions the dedication and hard work of all medical related staff.

    The issue is one primarily of existing hospitals which are currently working a shirtsge of resources - with many hospitals experiencing overflowing A&E departments and a shortage of beds and wards and people to staff same.

    This from the article I linked above



    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21134473/coronavirus-outbreak-singapore-us-symptoms-pandemic

    To make sure this doesn't happen - the top brass in the HSE and the Department of Health really need to pull their finger out asap ...

    Did you watch that Channel 4 piece linked a page back? In short the NHS are doing nothing to inform the public or educate or even answer any questions. The chap who is the head of the Public health England basically answered every question asked with “that wouid be an ecumenical matter”.

    Parents are being advised in some schools that they can leave their kids at home if they like. When they try to phone the authorities to get more information, there is none... That’s what leads to panic...

    We usually follow on their coattails so I wouldn’t be overly confident that we will get much different. I really hope they pull some rabbit out of the hat on this and prove me wrong but so far they have taken a very inactive approach to communication with the public. One of the paramedics on the C4 documentary said exactly what I was saying earlier. Treat people like adults , educate them and prepare them properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    No they aren't. No other country will have a Wuhan sort of explosion because of this virus.

    Actually, it is more likely than unlikely.
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-coronavirus-has-likely-already-spread-globally-a-f0c171b4-ed60-46ac-ae5b-5473cb49e806


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A few years ago when there was a threat of foot and mouth in the UK there was an immediate effort to disinfect all public places, public meetings cancelled and a stop on animal movements. This is a serious threat to human health here but there isn't the same reaction -yet. Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    saabsaab wrote: »
    A few years ago when there was a threat of foot and mouth in the UK there was an immediate effort to disinfect all public places, public meetings cancelled and a stop on animal movements. This is a serious threat to human health here but there isn't the same reaction -yet. Why?

    No cases here yet, a few in the UK - can hardly tell a cow to self isolate
    Time will tell if this is gonna blow up or blow over


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    I dont believe anyone questions the dedication and hard work of all medical related staff.

    The issue is one primarily of existing hospitals which are currently working with a shortage of resources - with many hospitals experiencing overflowing A&E departments and a shortage of beds and wards and people to staff same.

    This from the article I linked above



    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21134473/coronavirus-outbreak-singapore-us-symptoms-pandemic

    To make sure this doesn't happen - the top brass in the HSE and the Department of Health really need to pull their finger out asap ...
    But if we put resources towards that, it means we take resources from other areas. The rationale been that by overinvesting in coronavirus. We would take away from areas such as elderly care which on probability would cause more deaths due to resources been diverted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Opinions on this, I'm planning on heading to Cyprus or gran canara in May with my 4 year old.

    Am I mad?

    My gut is telling to hold off til September at least to see how the virus had progressed. Am I being overly paranoid


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Really? CDC has said that epidemic is imminent in USA, and there are hardly any cases there even. Singapore and Japan are both experiencing numerous new cases all across their countries among people with no known links to infected people, how do you contain that once it's started? You dont even know where to begin, how can you. Guarantee you many countries will ban flights to Japan and Singpoare within the next week

    Link to where the CDC is saying that an epidemic of coronavirus is due in the states? Sounds like an exaggeration.


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    italodisco wrote: »
    Opinions on this, I'm planning on heading to Cyprus or gran canara in May with my 4 year old.

    Am I mad?

    My gut is telling to hold off til September at least to see how the virus had progressed. Am I being overly paranoid

    Go on your holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Link to where the CDC is saying that an epidemic of coronavirus is due in the states? Sounds like an exaggeration.

    '"We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission."

    -CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/coronavirus-cdc-robert-redfield-gupta-intv/index.html

    '“We can and should be prepared for this new virus to gain a foothold in the U.S.,” Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC, told reporters at a Wednesday press briefing. “The goal of the measures we have taken to date are to slow the introduction and impact of this disease in the United States, but at some point we are likely to see community spread in the U.S.”

    ' “So far we’re seeing very limited impact here in the United States, but that could change at any time.”
    =U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar

    https://time.com/5783771/covid-19-us-cases/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    A friend of mine has had his company cancel an EMEA conference in Barcelona, not willing to take the chance. Regional office is in London, all non-essential travel has been cancelled; essential travel needs approval. Company would be fairly cash rich too, not a question of budget. Specifically said due to Coronavirus.


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  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    '"We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission."

    -CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/coronavirus-cdc-robert-redfield-gupta-intv/index.html

    No word of "epidemic" in that. You're scaremongering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    italodisco wrote: »
    Opinions on this, I'm planning on heading to Cyprus or gran canara in May with my 4 year old.

    Am I mad?

    My gut is telling to hold off til September at least to see how the virus had progressed. Am I being overly paranoid

    I’ve a flight booked for Washington in awhile and will be in France over the summer. Im taking a wait and see approach right now. I’m going to leave it as long as I can to pay off my holiday in full.

    My plan is just to amend my flights to Washington if it comes to it. Aer Lingus were not completely clear on how much it will cost but I’m not overly concerned. If I can’t fly to the USA because there is a pandemic , losing money on flights won’t be that important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    But if we put resources towards that, it means we take resources from other areas. The rationale been that by overinvesting in coronavirus. We would take away from areas such as elderly care which on probability would cause more deaths due to resources been diverted.


    I don't believe it's either or remember if coronavirus gets a hold here it will be the elderly the most affected.


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I don't believe it's either or remember if coronavirus gets a hold here it will be the elderly the most affected.

    Yes. Bit more than likely. That is not going to happen. This is like wjen we went mad on iodine tablets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    fritzelly wrote: »
    No cases here yet, a few in the UK - can hardly tell a cow to self isolate
    Time will tell if this is gonna blow up or blow over


    We don't have much time best to act now. Anyway hard to get some people to self isolate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    No word of "epidemic" in that. You're scaremongering.

    No I'm not,
    epidemic
    'a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time.'
    CDC expect sustained community transmission in the US. I think youre on the other end , in denial of a serious situation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    But if we put resources towards that, it means we take resources from other areas. The rationale been that by overinvesting in coronavirus. We would take away from areas such as elderly care which on probability would cause more deaths due to resources been diverted.

    No suggestion to take resources from other areas. The point is that with the current situation in the Irish health system - there is little or no wriggle room or sufficient resources to deal with any surge in those who may need hospitalisation or intensive medical care due to the coronvirus.

    I was responding to this
    ...In my honest opinion, we would be able to handle an outbreak in Ireland. We have the resources and skill.

    We certainly do not have the resources

    So if or when multiple cases of coronvirus here what happens? That is the question. The HSE and the Departments of Health seem to be sitting on their hands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    No they aren't. No other country will have a Wuhan sort of explosion because of this virus.

    What on earth are you basing that on? Is this virus just going to suddenly stop being extremely contagious?


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    No suggestion to take resources from other areas. The point is that with the current situation in the Irish health system - there is little or no wriggle room or sufficient resources to deal with any surge in those who may need hospitalisation or intensive medical care due to the coronvirus.

    I was responding to this



    We certainly do not have the resources

    So if or when multiple cases of coronvirus here what happens? That is the question. The HSE and the Departments of Health seem to be sitting on their hands

    Yes. But the risk of corona virus is low. The risk of stroke/cancer is high. They aren't sitting on their hands. They are been pragmatic. Remember SARS?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,733 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Just flew from Dublin via Frankfurt tonight.
    Nobody wearing masks in Dublin or on that flight.
    I saw 5 people in Frankfurt wearing a mask on my walk between 2 terminals.
    The area around the departure gate was quite busy but we found a pocket of empty seats.
    There were 3 Chinese guys sitting in the middle :), everyone else was giving them a wide berth.
    On of the Lufthansa pilots sneezed at passport control and said "Corona virus"; cue laughter from the rest of the crew.

    I expect things to have escalated slightly on our return journey in 10 days time.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We are going to see traffic jams if people are too scared of being crammed face against face in the LUAS etc. I can see outbreaks particularly along both Luas lines as the teams are exceedingly crowded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Yes. But the risk of corona virus is low. The risk of stroke/cancer is high. They aren't sitting on their hands. They are been pragmatic. Remember SARS?

    I was responding to this ...
    ..In my honest opinion, we would be able to handle an outbreak in Ireland. We have the resources and skill.

    Still going for that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Yes. But the risk of corona virus is low. The risk of stroke/cancer is high. They aren't sitting on their hands. They are been pragmatic. Remember SARS?

    The HSE consider the risk from coronavirus to the Irish public as 'moderate', not low.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes. But the risk of corona virus is low. The risk of stroke/cancer is high. They aren't sitting on their hands. They are been pragmatic. Remember SARS?

    This...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/world/asia/china-coronavirus-sars.html


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The HSE consider the risk from coronavirus to the Irish public as 'moderate', not low.


    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

    God. This is embarrassing.
    There has been no confirmed case of coronavirus in Ireland.

    The risk of getting coronavirus in Ireland is low.

    If there is a case here, health professionals will try to contact anyone who has been in contact with the infected person.

    If you are not contacted, you are extremely unlikely to catch coronavirus.

    You do not need to follow any advice in relation to coronavirus if you have:

    not been to mainland China
    not been in contact with a person who has coronavirus
    not been to a healthcare facility where patients with coronavirus were treated
    recently returned from Hong Kong or Macau and have not travelled through mainland China
    When you may need a test
    You will only need to be tested for coronavirus if you have symptoms and have in the last 14 days been:

    in close contact with a confirmed case of coronavirus
    to mainland China - this does not include Hong Kong or Macau
    in a healthcare centre or hospital where patients with coronavirus were being treated
    If your doctor thinks that you need a test for coronavirus, they will tell you where the test will be done. They will also tell you when to expect your results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

    God. This is embarrassing.
    There has been no confirmed case of coronavirus in Ireland.

    The risk of getting coronavirus in Ireland is low.

    If there is a case here, health professionals will try to contact anyone who has been in contact with the infected person.

    If you are not contacted, you are extremely unlikely to catch coronavirus.

    You do not need to follow any advice in relation to coronavirus if you have:

    not been to mainland China
    not been in contact with a person who has coronavirus
    not been to a healthcare facility where patients with coronavirus were treated
    recently returned from Hong Kong or Macau and have not travelled through mainland China
    When you may need a test
    You will only need to be tested for coronavirus if you have symptoms and have in the last 14 days been:

    in close contact with a confirmed case of coronavirus
    to mainland China - this does not include Hong Kong or Macau
    in a healthcare centre or hospital where patients with coronavirus were being treated
    If your doctor thinks that you need a test for coronavirus, they will tell you where the test will be done. They will also tell you when to expect your results.

    https://theliberal.ie/hse-chief-says-that-theres-a-moderate-risk-of-a-coronavirus-outbreak-in-ireland/
    How could it possibly be less likely since this announcement? With hundreds more cases worldwide and tens of thousands more in China, and dozens in European neighbouring countries


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »

    Well, your first problem there is that you are getting your news from the liberal.ie :pac:

    More seriously, the actual HSE risk is low. So you are lying. Good for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Well, your first problem there is that you are getting your news from the liberal.ie :pac:

    More seriously, the actual HSE risk is low. So you are lying. Good for you.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/risk-of-coronavirus-in-ireland-remains-moderate-says-hse-1.4156713
    Theres an irish times article for you, among the dozens of others which covered the announcement from 30th of January. So, how could it possibly be less likely there will be an outbreak in Ireland since that date, when the number of cases worldwide has only grown by tens of thousands since them

    Yes their current risk has reverted to low, at some point over the last fortnight. But it makes no sense, considering what they said prior and no reduction in the risk.


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  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/risk-of-coronavirus-in-ireland-remains-moderate-says-hse-1.4156713
    Theres an irish times article for you, among the dozens of others which covered the announcement. So, how could it possibly be less likely there will be an outbreak in Ireland since that date, when the number of cases worldwide has only grown by tens of thousands since them

    Because the evidence released since then suggests that the risk was overstated. Look. The only reason I'm actually messaging in this thread is because somebody needs to counteract the scaremongering. I am probably more qualified than the majority of people on this thread regarding infectious diseases. You are believing the hype whereas you need to look at the underlying statistics.

    It's not my fault that you are going on information from two weeks ago.


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