new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

CrankyHaus · 14-02-2020 01:00AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0213/1115112-coronavirus-schools/

Meanwhile, this is the kind of virtue-signalling, social justice warrior, contrite bull****e that RTE consider to be the important aspect of the Corona Virus. Although, thankfully, we don't have a case here, wouldn't their resources be put to better use by informing and educating people about the actual virus! At least then people can make a decision as to what they can do to prepare.

Though to give some credit to the member of the Chinese community quoted:

"However, Tian Yu Lloyd said that this was very much a secondary issue to members of the Chinese community right now.

"The number 1 issue," she said is, "'is my community doing its best to prevent the virus from spreading to Ireland?'"

14-02-2020 01:06AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0213/1115112-coronavirus-schools/

Meanwhile, this is the kind of virtue-signalling, social justice warrior, contrite bull****e that RTE consider to be the important aspect of the Corona Virus. Although, thankfully, we don't have a case here, wouldn't their resources be put to better use by informing and educating people about the actual virus! At least then people can make a decision as to what they can do to prepare.

Weak, couldn't give a ****e, School Principals like that are why my school days were nothing but misery from age 4 to age 18.

"Mr Jessop would like to ask parents to remind your little darlings not to be psychotic little w*nkers to the foreign kids, the kids not good at sports, or the ones a little smaller than them. KThxBye!"

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:06AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Though to give some credit to the member of the Chinese community quoted:

"However, Tian Yu Lloyd said that this was very much a secondary issue to members of the Chinese community right now.

"The number 1 issue," she said is, "'is my community doing its best to prevent the virus from spreading to Ireland?'"

Sensible opinion and if as some say, it is likely to affect Asian males more so then they would be most affected. The number of Asian and Asian decent people in Ireland is probably 50 to 100K!

lolanacho · 14-02-2020 01:09AM

I’m a bit confused...... I thought people could pass on the virus even if they didn’t have any symptoms!

RTE said tonight that that was not true:

“ Amedical journal study from earlier this month, which suggested that that the virus could be spread by people who were not displaying symptoms, was subsequently found to be flawed and was withdrawn.

However, the findings of the New England Journal of Medicine study were widely publicised before it was withdrawn.

This perception – that people displaying no symptoms may still be able to transmit the virus – appears to be contributing to anxiety in schools.

The school principal who spoke to RTÉ News was not aware of the fact that the findings of this study had been discredited.”

Hego Damask · 14-02-2020 01:13AM

lolanacho wrote: »

I’m a bit confused...... I thought people could pass on the virus even if they didn’t have any symptoms!

RTE said tonight that that was not true.

Well it's RTE , you expect accurate news from that crowd ?

14-02-2020 01:13AM

lolanacho wrote: »

I’m a bit confused...... I thought people could pass on the virus even if they didn’t have any symptoms!

There are people who can be infected but are asymptomatic.

lolanacho wrote: »

RTE said tonight that that was not true.

That TV License fee becomes better value everyday.

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:14AM

lolanacho wrote: »

I’m a bit confused...... I thought people could pass on the virus even if they didn’t have any symptoms!

RTE said tonight that that was not true.

Don't know for sure yet - there are indications you can
To know for sure you would need to know someone has the virus and monitor them...
Chances are highly likely like other coronaviruses

The bigger worry is the resistance of the virus to survive outside the body

Quantum Erasure · 14-02-2020 01:18AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0213/1115112-coronavirus-schools/

Meanwhile, this is the kind of virtue-signalling, social justice warrior, contrite bull****e that RTE consider to be the important aspect of the Corona Virus..

A primary school principal has spoken out about the negative impact anxiety about the coronavirus is having upon children at her school.

She has told RTÉ News that schoolchildren have begun calling the virus "the China virus". She says that a small number of children at the school have engaged in "prank behaviour" which has caused offence to children of Chinese origin and their families.

A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:22AM

'Coronavirus can be spread through people who aren’t exhibiting symptoms of the illness, the director of the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention said Thursday.
Dr. Robert Redfield confirmed reports out of China that the virus can spread when the person is still asymptomatic, according to CNN.
“There’s been good communication with our colleagues to confirm asymptomatic infection, to confirm asymptomatic transmission, to be able to get a better handle on the clinical spectrum of illness in China,” Redfield told the outlet.
Redfield said it’s not known how much the asymptomatic cases are contributing to the spread of the virus — which has sickened more than 60,000 people worldwide — but the discovery is concerning.
“What I’ve learned in the last two weeks is that the spectrum of this illness is much broader than was originally presented. There’s much more asymptomatic illness,” he said.
He added that a number of confirmed cases presented with just a “little sore throat.”

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:23AM

Worrying news is the serious/critical patients rising from 7,084 yesterday to 9,638 today
30% increase!
With the increasing death trend this could start to see a massive increase in deaths in the next week

If this starts to hit places outside China then the health systems would be fecked

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 01:25AM

New Peak Prosperity video here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L-SktgzXc

...citing a non-peer-reviewed paper which suggest doubling every 2.4 days and an estimated R0 of 4.7-6.6.

Abstract:
The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020. Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity. We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period. Integrating these estimates and high-resolution real-time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:26AM

saabsaab wrote: »

'Coronavirus can be spread through people who aren’t exhibiting symptoms of the illness, the director of the Centers for ...

That's a nearly 3 week old report - there is no definitive conclusion yet (and ahem CNN)

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 01:26AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Perhaps Chinese restaurants are the safest places to socialize now because of the low volume of people going to them

I admire your courage to venture into black humour.

I had this idea for a not the nine o'clock news style comedy skit:

Scene is a crowed, upmarket restaurant: murmured conversations, clinking of cutlery on plates.

The entrance door bursts open, a haggard man dashes in and runs most of the way across the restaurant, when a second man bursts through the door and fires a handgun several times at the first, missing him. The first man pulls a handgun from a concealed holster and returns fire, loosing two shots, also missing, and then turns and flees into the kitchen. The second man pursues.

The diners, who had all stopped eating and had been observing the disturbance with calm annoyance, return to their conversations and meals, seemingly unperturbed.

A moment passes, then one of the diners starts coughing.

Pandemonium erupts, women scream, there's the sound of breaking glass and breaking plates as chairs are pushed back in haste, some toppling backwards with a crash. All the diners rush for the exit in a noisy panic.

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:27AM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

New Peak Prosperity video here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L-SktgzXc

...citing a non-peer-reviewed paper which suggest doubling every 2.4 days and an estimated R0 of 4.7-6.6.

Abstract:
The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020. Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity. We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period. Integrating these estimates and high-resolution real-time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

Exactly what most are saying here.

gozunda · 14-02-2020 01:34AM

Our man in the Wirral is out....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-GB9EYqAGM

Also his review of his leaving Wuhan, quarantine etc ....

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:36AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-GB9EYqAGM

yoytube gozunda

14-02-2020 01:37AM

Talking to my friend tonight in Shanghai, she made a very good point:

- China has the largest smoking population in the world, around 30% of the population smokes. Smoking causes reduced lung capacity, reduced lung health and lower immunity in general.

Which is bad news if you get a respiratory illness which Covid-19 is.

This may explain according to her, somewhat, the high death rate in China, when other countries the death to infected ratio is much lower.

Just my 2 cents.

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:37AM

The Wuhan Man?

lolanacho · 14-02-2020 01:37AM

This is the advise given to schools by the HSE:

No symptoms
For a person with no symptoms, there is no need for quarantine (keeping a well person separate from others) for up to 2 weeks after coming to Ireland. There are no restrictions regarding school, pre-school, work or other activities.
If within the last 14 days, your student/child has come to Ireland from Wuhan OR has been in contact with a person diagnosed with novel coronavirus OR has attended a healthcare facility where patients with novel coronavirus are being treated, you (parent or guardian) are asked to make contact with your local Department of Public Health by phone for further advice.

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As I said yesterday a Chinese student came back to my child’s class after spending two months in China.
After spoken to the principal today he referred me to the HSE website...... and after contacting the HSE I was referred to the HSE Website!!! Totally bizarre.

So the Chinese guy will keep going to school..... I’ve decided to keep my little fella at home until after the break, that’d be two weeks since the Chinese guy arrived back in Ireland.
Mind you, I’m the only one concerned in the whole school, I don’t get it.

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Talking to my friend tonight in Shanghai, she made a very good point:

- China has the largest smoking population in the world, around 30% of the population smokes. Smoking causes reduced lung capacity, reduced lung health and lower immunity in general.

Which is bad news if you get a respiratory illness which Covid-19 is.

This may explain according to her, somewhat, the high death rate in China, when other countries the death to infected ratio is much lower.

Just my 2 cents.

They mentioned the virus affecting men more today on the WHO briefing - hardly surprising when most of them smoke but the women dont

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:42AM

lolanacho wrote: »

This is the advise given to schools by the HSE:

No symptoms
For a person with no symptoms, there is no need for quarantine (keeping a well person separate from others) for up to 2 weeks after coming to Ireland. There are no restrictions regarding school, pre-school, work or other activities.
If within the last 14 days, your student/child has come to Ireland from Wuhan OR has been in contact with a person diagnosed with novel coronavirus OR has attended a healthcare facility where patients with novel coronavirus are being treated, you (parent or guardian) are asked to make contact with your local Department of Public Health by phone for further advice.

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As I said yesterday a Chinese student came back to my child’s class after spending two months in China.
After spoken to the principal today he referred me to the HSE website...... and after contacting the HSE I was referred to the HSE Website!!! Totally bizarre.

So the Chinese guy will keep going to school..... I’ve decided to keep my little fella at home until after the break, that’d be two weeks since the Chinese guy arrived back in Ireland.
Mind you, I’m the only one concerned in the whole school, I don’t get it.

In cases like this you should err on the side of caution as you have. Don't mind what others do. It is hard to know how this is going to turn out here but we have warning from Asia.

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:43AM

lolanacho wrote: »

If within the last 14 days, your student/child has come to Ireland from Wuhan OR has been in contact with a person diagnosed with novel coronavirus

This is just the most dumbest advice ever - do they not know that it is relatively widespread in a lot of other countries never mind China itself
They are already trying to find out how people with no Chinese contacts have caught it
And how do you know you have been in contact with someone who has the virus? Tho this is a widespread thing not just in Ireland - beggars belief

ThePopehimself · 14-02-2020 01:51AM

lolanacho wrote: »

This is the advise given to schools by the HSE:

No symptoms
For a person with no symptoms, there is no need for quarantine (keeping a well person separate from others) for up to 2 weeks after coming to Ireland. There are no restrictions regarding school, pre-school, work or other activities.
If within the last 14 days, your student/child has come to Ireland from Wuhan OR has been in contact with a person diagnosed with novel coronavirus OR has attended a healthcare facility where patients with novel coronavirus are being treated, you (parent or guardian) are asked to make contact with your local Department of Public Health by phone for further advice.

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As I said yesterday a Chinese student came back to my child’s class after spending two months in China.
After spoken to the principal today he referred me to the HSE website...... and after contacting the HSE I was referred to the HSE Website!!! Totally bizarre.

So the Chinese guy will keep going to school..... I’ve decided to keep my little fella at home until after the break, that’d be two weeks since the Chinese guy arrived back in Ireland.
Mind you, I’m the only one concerned in the whole school, I don’t get it.

In your position, I would do EXACTLY the same thing.
What you got was a woefully inadequate response.

The buck stopped nowhere. Common sense surely, at least, should have applied here.

Resting on the 'Official line' ( It's not me - it's the Dept!) is not good enough. Woefully inadequate on the part of the principal - and I'm being reserved.

I hope more follow your stand. I would. It's grossly irresponsible.

The bench mark for every child in that classroom room should -at least- be when mum and dad are living with both children under the same roof 24/7.

AND IF NOT, WHY NOT!???

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 01:51AM

See the bold

gozunda wrote: »

Our man in the Wirral is out....

14-02-2020 01:52AM

lolanacho wrote: »

This is the advise given to schools by the HSE:

No symptoms
For a person with no symptoms, there is no need for quarantine (keeping a well person separate from others) for up to 2 weeks after coming to Ireland. There are no restrictions regarding school, pre-school, work or other activities.
If within the last 14 days, your student/child has come to Ireland from Wuhan OR has been in contact with a person diagnosed with novel coronavirus OR has attended a healthcare facility where patients with novel coronavirus are being treated, you (parent or guardian) are asked to make contact with your local Department of Public Health by phone for further advice.

=================================================

As I said yesterday a Chinese student came back to my child’s class after spending two months in China.
After spoken to the principal today he referred me to the HSE website...... and after contacting the HSE I was referred to the HSE Website!!! Totally bizarre.

So the Chinese guy will keep going to school..... I’ve decided to keep my little fella at home until after the break, that’d be two weeks since the Chinese guy arrived back in Ireland.
Mind you, I’m the only one concerned in the whole school, I don’t get it.

Do you know where in China he's from or where he was? East of china is unaffected.

14-02-2020 01:54AM

fritzelly wrote: »

They mentioned the virus affecting men more today on the WHO briefing - hardly surprising when most of them smoke but the women dont

Chinese smokers by gender:
Men: 58%
Women: 3%

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 01:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you know where in China he's from or where he was? East of china is unaffected.

Shouldn't really matter as they will have traveled by air and could have contacted the virus at an airport. Anyway how are they to know?

ThePopehimself · 14-02-2020 02:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you know where in China he's from or where he was? East of china is unaffected.

For now, Yes and you have a point but up until yesterday, LONDON wasn't affected and now it is!Now someone there has Covid19 and because she walked straight into A&E, people have to self-Isolate.

Two months in China, with outbreaks happening all over at random...Texas, Russia, France...fact is, China is the epicenter.

Let's say a bloke walks into work tomorrow having spent two months in China - would you, would anyone raise any concerns? Anything?

We are talking about children.

14-02-2020 02:30AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

For now, Yes and you have a point but up until yesterday, LONDON wasn't affected and now it is!Now someone there has Covid19 and because she walked straight into A&E, people have to self-Isolate.

Two months in China, with outbreaks happening all over at random...Texas, Russia, France...fact is, China is the epicenter.

Let's say a bloke walks into work tomorrow having spent two months in China - would you, would anyone raise any concerns? Anything?

We are talking about children.

Context is key. Wuhan in west china, population 11 million is the epicenter of the virus. Shanghai, 800km away from Wuhan in west china is unaffected.

There are multiple infections in Europe, as per your post. Should we limit movement of all Europeans now?

14-02-2020 02:33AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Shouldn't really matter as they will have traveled by air and could have contacted the virus at an airport. Anyway how are they to know?

They have international airports in west china too.

Again, context is key.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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