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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    theguzman wrote: »
    Basically planning for the worst and hoping for the best, if the SHTF both my parents will hopefully have 3 months before they'd resort to having to butcher any of the animals.

    Cannibalism should be seen as a real possibility as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Perhaps they have faulty test kits like the ones in the US.
    Where are you hearing tests are faulty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Where are you hearing tests are faulty

    It's like some people scan the thread for the worst news posts and just reply to them ignoring all the other posts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Oh, the new tests are here. Seems they 'found' some extra cases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    We have to remember that they did silence the doctor who brought this to official attention and made him denounce what he had said, so they are somewhat responsible for the delay in containment action.


    not just that, but they are being haphard imo. giving people antibiotics and sending them home, and then lumping all of the midly sick people in with the extremely sick people.



    and that banquet for god sake.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    theguzman wrote: »
    So tonight I had a long and serious discussion with both my parents who are both recently retired within the last 12-24 months. Both are late-60's.

    My mother in particular is extremely high risk in the event of contracting 2019-nCov, she suffers from COPD and is a former smoker. Almost 10 years ago she quit smoking after one month in hospital including several days in ICU on Oxygen. My father has good lungs but suffers from high-Blood pressure but is in far better health than my mother despite being older.

    I am extremely concerned and it is almost 100% certain if my mother was to contract this virus it will kill her.

    My mother and father thankfully have agreed to go into voluntary isolation quarantine as soon as the first confirmed case arrives in Ireland, this is a matter of when and not if in my own opinion.

    We are lucky in that we own an extremely remote property, my mothers homeplace and the house itself in in liveable condition with power, heating etc. Our plan is both my parents will go to that house for as long as is absolutely necessary, avoiding contact with others is the only way to survive.

    This absolute isolation is my mothers only hope should it come into Ireland. Tomorrow we will start preparing there with supplies, 3 months worth of medicine, luckily the lpg tank was recently filled with gas as it has gas heating. This house is over 0.75km from the public road and 3kms from the nearest occupied house. It gives brilliant isolation.

    If an outbreak comes I will print off and laminate signs warning people to keep back that those living there are infected, and we will lock the gates. We will stock up with things like flour, potatoes, powdered milk, and remove food from their normal house to this location. The lists here have been very helpful thus far. The house is located on the family farm where my father goes daily anyway to and has its own water from the farm. In an apocalypse type situation we will assume no electricity, so freezer's wont be any good.

    Both my parents were into their late teens and twenties before power arrived so they know life without electricity. I will fill a few 5 gallon drums of Diesel which can be stored to run the car for news reports or to charge a mobile phone from the cigar lighter in the very worst case scenario.

    Basically planning for the worst and hoping for the best, if the SHTF both my parents will hopefully have 3 months before they'd resort to having to butcher any of the animals.

    Even if it came into Ireland it could takes weeks before we'd see a Wuhan style situation so early isolation is key. My mother and father are comparing it already to stories from their respective parents of World War 2 with rationing etc.

    By getting my parents into isolation, I can also self-isolate in their new house if required, it is in a far less secure location from the point of view of looting. I have a holiday to South America booked for myself and a friend so if Ireland got infected we could wait it out over there or else stay home and not travel to begin with.

    My points thus far.

    Don't panic, educate yourself, make informed choices
    Do prepare, do buy essential items, these might increase in price anyway in a less serious situation e.g. a winter flu type situation, you'd have just paid it ahead and might save money in the long run. Think of a full larder of food as money in the bank. Don't buy stuff you don't normally eat anyway.
    We are lucky that we are facing this as spring is arriving as the days get longer and temps increase.


    Careful, if you warn that they have the virus they could be seen as 'easy meat' if it ever gets that apocalyptic. as well as that, you could maybe get in legal trouble.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar




  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaysus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Careful, if you warn that they have the virus they could be seen as 'easy meat' if it ever gets that apocalyptic. as well as that, you could maybe get in legal trouble.

    Private land, trespassers shouldn't even be there, in the very worst case scenario there might not even be a functioning legal system anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    fritzelly wrote: »

    Wow massive jump in both deaths and new cases - did they change reporting criteria since yesterday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    And we've still the rest of China to declare yet!


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    theguzman wrote: »
    I am extremely concerned and it is almost 100% certain if my mother was to contract this virus it will kill her.

    Do pre-existing conditions make it more likely to get pneumonia, or more deadly if you get it? I was under the impression that being old / having lung issues made it more deadly if it developed.. Not more likely to develop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,502 ✭✭✭✭josip


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I have to hand it to the Chinese, they have come down on this like a ton of bricks. The figures may be utterly fictitious, but I can't see what more they could have done. If their robust efforts do manage to contain the spread, we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for saving our bacon.


    I suspect that they're more concerned with their own bacon rather than ours.
    And since the virus originated in their society, as do a lot of viruses, I wouldn't expect anything less from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,442 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    theguzman wrote: »
    Private land, trespassers shouldn't even be there, in the very worst case scenario there might not even be a functioning legal system anymore.

    28 Months Later...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fritzelly wrote: »

    What the hell? Why so much more than every other day?

    Anyway just to add to the madness martial law has been declared in part of a city in Hubei with a population of 400,000.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f30k2k/martial_law_declared_in_hubei/

    It's a bit surreal really thinking about this all happening on the other side of the world while I do my college work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I wonder are they beginning to right size the numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    What should they have done?

    Missing the point. It doesn't matter what they do. The measures are just delaying the spread, they are not going to contain it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    28 Months Later...

    Aim for the head when killing them - don't wanna be picking buckshot out of your dinner


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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently the enormous jump in cases is correcting under-reporting before. New criteria or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    fritzelly wrote: »

    You know, I was looking at the Singapore and hongkong number of cases and number in critical care compared to recovered and the stats there looked bad (taking time lag into account)

    I wonder now if they have to fess up in China as the rest of the world starts to see the numbers themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Is the jump because of everyone returning to work I wonder? Or wouldnt it take a few days for that to show up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Apparently the enormous jump in cases is correcting under-reporting before. New criteria or something.

    Have you a source article to highlight the change in criteria by any chance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    If you want a full breakdown (translator needed)

    http://wjw.hubei.gov.cn/fbjd/dtyw/202002/t20200213_2025581.shtml


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Includes *clinical diagnosis*. I.e not tested but showing symptoms of it.

    The jump in deaths is the problem here though it brings down the fatal rate depending on how you calculate it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    fritzelly wrote: »
    It's like some people scan the thread for the worst news posts and just reply to them ignoring all the other posts

    The CDC themselves have said some of the tests shipped were faulty. It's literally posted in a link a few pages back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    We know that in reality the number of people infected was much larger than reported, models showed this. As said before, deaths have not been reported (which they admit to now).

    They seem to have changed their classification and put suspected cases into confirmed without tests.

    For the people of Wuhan it is very ominous that officials are coming clean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Includes *clinical diagnosis*. I.e not tested but showing symptoms of it.

    The jump in deaths is the problem here

    Ah, well that explains the huge jump. No explanation why almost 25% of the deaths over the last month occurred today though


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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Have you a source article to highlight the change in criteria by any chance?

    No sorry, closed it already. It'll be in the comments of any Twitter comments posted here.

    They've basically started adding clinically diagnosed, which I believe means people who show the symptoms but haven't been actually tested for the virus.


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