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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #5372
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    That's me done for then :)

    Ah I'm sure youll be fine. Being over 60 appears to be the greatest risk factor. The majority of people in the world have an 'underlying condition' , an unhealthy lifestyle, and often both and still the vast majority who caught the virus have survived. It just increases your chances a bit of having complications


  • #5373
    Ms2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Hmmm, have an autoimmune disease myself so my immune system is already prone to be a bit hyper, though I'm not on any immunosupressents at the moment. Bit concerned how I would deal with something like this.


  • #5374
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    fritzelly wrote: »
    It's China round 2

    Is it though? If only china had started the quarantine after only 5 cases. Seems like theres more chance of countries getting it under control sooner when measures like that are implemented quickly.


  • #5375
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Flying via Frankfurt on Friday and coming back 10 days later.
    Not overly concerned about that, but I'll be taking reasonable precautions.

    Everything booked to go see Messi for the first time in Barcelona in April.
    Up to now injury had been my main concern :(
    At least MWC has been cancelled, but will have to decide closer to the time if it's too risky.


  • #5376
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    Hmmm, have an autoimmune disease myself so my immune system is already prone to be a bit hyper, though I'm not on any immunosupressents at the moment. Bit concerned how I would deal with something like this.

    Sorry to hear that. A lot of people are concerned and worried. Self isolation will be the best way to deal with it for many but won't be possible for some.

    My parent's for example are both elderly and I've got them the necessary equipment to deal with an extended stay in the home as well as food supplies. The way I see it is why take a chance if nothing happens great but if not they'll use the food stuffs and the masks etc...cost very little two weeks ago when I got them so no loss.

    Unfortunately like a lot of experts have being saying for weeks now its not the condition that's going to be the problem its health care systems inability to deal with the numbers that will be sick that is the problem.


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  • #5377
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is it though? If only china had started the quarantine after only 5 cases. Seems like theres more chance of countries getting it under control sooner when measures like that are implemented quickly.

    Except there is no chance of any other country (except north Korea) will adopt, or adhere to, such measures.


  • #5378
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Except there is no chance of any other country (except north Korea) will adopt, or adhere to, such measures.

    They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

    It's being contained relatively well in western countries.


  • #5379
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is it though? If only china had started the quarantine after only 5 cases. Seems like theres more chance of countries getting it under control sooner when measures like that are implemented quickly.
    It would have been considered brash and premature. Only when it was serious was quaratine implemented and by then it was too late. Its nothing unique to China it is how it will work in every other country too where this happens. The case in Vietnam happened only because the town is small. If it was 5 cases in a big city it would not be quaratined


  • #5380
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Have BNO not updated yet? Can’t see any change in numbers.


  • #5381
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Hubei Ncov figures are late


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  • #5382
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

    It's being contained relatively well in western countries.
    To be fair to the Chinese on the ground, they're in the middle of winter and see mostly older, already health compromised patients coming down with pneumonia, it wouldn't register something new was afoot for a while. Probably only when they noticed a definite upswing in new patients presenting with same. Whatever about the porkies the Chinese government tend to weave, I doubt other nations would have been any quicker and very few could shut down a city of ten million when they did spot it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5383
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Wibbs wrote: »
    To be fair to the Chinese on the ground, they're in the middle of winter and see mostly older, already health compromised patients coming down with pneumonia, it wouldn't register something new was afoot for a while. Probably only when they noticed a definite upswing in new patients presenting with same. Whatever about the porkies the Chinese government tend to weave, I doubt other nations would have been any quicker and very few could shut down a city of ten million when they did spot it.

    No, I agree with you.

    The Chinese took the hit so the rest of us didn't have to.


  • #5384
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Hubei Ncov figures are late

    I think they were yesterday as well?

    I'm going by the worldometers site, which seems to be fairly updated regularly, and accurate.

    Thanks to the poster who pointed me to it.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    It's got today's +1 case in UK, the charts and tables are very nice.


  • #5385
    GDK_11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭GDK_11


    Ok guys where do I get some masks 😷


  • #5386
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Plue many diseases and conditions first present with fever, weakness, runny nose and coughs. The onset of some forms of the Black Death would follow that, but until the labs came back(if they even had a specific test for it), or until the disease progressed to show more clear symptoms before a doctor in say Dublin or Cork would even begin to think "Jaysus, it could be the plague". And that's a fast moving disease. Worse they could fire wide spectrum antibiotics at the patient thinking it was "just" bacterial pneumonia and the patient recovered and was discharged. Then they could have missed it entirely until more and more people started piling up with the same symptoms.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5387
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

    It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

    Relatively well doesn't cut.


  • #5388
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    We have to remember that they did silence the doctor who brought this to official attention and made him denounce what he had said, so they are somewhat responsible for the delay in containment action.


  • #5389
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Plue many diseases and conditions first present with fever, weakness, runny nose and coughs. The onset of some forms of the Black Death would follow that, but until the labs came back(if they even had a specific test for it), or until the disease progressed to show more clear symptoms before a doctor in say Dublin or Cork would even begin to think "Jaysus, it could be the plague". And that's a fast moving disease. Worse they could fire wide spectrum antibiotics at the patient thinking it was "just" bacterial pneumonia and the patient recovered and was discharged. Then they could have missed it entirely until more and more people started piling up with the same symptoms.

    They ask about recent travel history.
    That may change once cases grow.

    In fairness, there's no point in overloading our resources now


  • #5390
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Relatively well doesn't cut.

    What should they have done?


  • #5391
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    They are testing lots of people.
    Apparently they expected one to be positive in the hospital here, but they actually turned out to be fine.
    That implies that most of the people they test are expected to be fine, and that they are being pretty vigilant about testing.


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  • #5392
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,852 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    They are testing lots of people.
    Apparently they expected one to be positive in the hospital here, but they actually turned out to be fine.
    That implies that most of the people they test are expected to be fine, and that they are being pretty vigilant about testing.

    Perhaps they have faulty test kits like the ones in the US.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #5393
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,387 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    No, I agree with you.

    The Chinese took the hit so the rest of us didn't have to.
    They might have took the hit...but in fairness it did originate there...like SARS did as well (I think?)


  • #5394
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What should they have done?

    Not supressed the information? Not have the police tell doctors not to do their job?

    The first weeks are the most important, those are the weeks you don't let everybody in giant city walk around obliviously spreading it until it gets to the point where you have to lock the whole country in their homes?

    Btw while locking everyone in their homes may or may not help us, it is a potential disaster in itself and I believe there will be a lot of horror revealed when the dust settles.

    So it's not just 'good for them, thankfully they have total power and can order anything they want, ye wouldn't see that kind of organisation in ireland! And under a cloud of complete darkness, haven't even let the WHO in yet. What more could you ask for?'

    Serious whitewash over the last few days.


  • #5395
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Not supressed the information? Not have the police tell doctors not to do their job?

    The first weeks are the most important, those are the weeks you don't let everybody in giant city walk around obliviously spreading it until it gets to the point where you have to lock the whole country in their homes?

    Btw while locking everyone in their homes may or may not help us, it is a potential disaster in itself and I believe there will be a lot of horror revealed when the dust settles.

    So it's not just 'good for them, thankfully they have total power and can order anything they want', ye wouldn't see that kind of organisation in ireland! And under a cloud of darkness, and haven't even let the WHO in yet? What more could you ask for?

    Serious whitewash over the last few days.

    He was referring to the Western response.


  • #5396
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Slightly off topic...while waiting for the Doomsday figurese
    Does anyone think this may make countries less reliant on China as a supply chain?


  • #5397
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Not supressed the information? Not have the police tell doctors not to do their job?

    The first weeks are the most important, those are the weeks you don't let everybody in giant city walk around obliviously spreading it until it gets to the point where you have to lock the whole country in their homes?

    Btw while locking everyone in their homes may or may not help us, it is a potential disaster in itself and I believe there will be a lot of horror revealed when the dust settles.

    So it's not just 'good for them, thankfully they have total power and can order anything they want, ye wouldn't see that kind of organisation in ireland! And under a cloud of complete darkness, haven't even let the WHO in yet. What more could you ask for?'

    Serious whitewash over the last few days.

    Google said
    It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

    You replied "Relatively well doesn't cut it"

    What should western countries have done better?

    I agree it was handled badly by the Chinese bit I believe they are doing their best now to get a hold of it and stop it's spread.


  • #5398
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Perhaps they have faulty test kits like the ones in the US.
    Oh I missed that story. That's not good.


  • #5399
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Oh I missed that story. That's not good.

    http://archive.ph/eyiW7

    This is nothing to do with those testing negative then later positive - that's to do with the virus


  • #5400
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    fritzelly wrote: »
    http://archive.ph/eyiW7

    This is nothing to do with those testing negative then later positive - that's to do with the virus
    ninja edit


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  • #5401
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

    It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

    Is it though? Even with the early warning it's a tough virus to detect and stop spreading. We won't know how well it's being 'contained' for another month.


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