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s7ryf3925pivug · 12-02-2020 10:06AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

And is there any way to slow the natural response down to a level where it’s still fighting a virus but not not over exerting itself?

the vitamin c suggestion appears to be good.

Mic 1972 · 12-02-2020 10:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread is a farce. The person who posted their made up death rate of 19% earlier should be banned from the thread, would be arrested in China, and would be fined in Vietnam, and for good reason.

That person linked the source of data, you can do the math yourself

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

s7ryf3925pivug · 12-02-2020 10:12AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

And is there any way to slow the natural response down to a level where it’s still fighting a virus but not not over exerting itself?

Also ginger and turmeric appear to be good.

BanditLuke · 12-02-2020 10:13AM

givyjoe wrote: »

How many times, it's NOT a flu virus. It's viral pneumonia.

Woooooooosh

Drumpot · 12-02-2020 10:13AM

ardinn wrote: »

Oxygen seems to be the problem.

Im pretty sure you could treat this fully at home if oxygen was available, I have looked into getting it, but its restricted. About 1-2litres per min seems like the norm, but 5 for ncov has been recorded.

This will be what kills people in developed countries, the lack of oxygen facilities.

It's the single most important part of the probelm, If I was in government i would be making sure we have huge supplies and its available on delivery to homes, you can monitor your blood oxygen fairly accurately with a blood pressure monitor. 3 days and you should be good to go again.

However dificult this would be to implement, its what should be happening if the government are serious about treating it. It would take a huge strain from the hospitals.

Would something like this help?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B076GZK36X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Qg8qEbP3386T5

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 10:14AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

would you give the source of that please? Or sources for the info in the treatment section?

Just pulled it from one of the posts in the gab coronavirus group
https://gab.com/groups/4077

Hector Savage · 12-02-2020 10:14AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Brace everybody, you are gonna get a hint of my true levels of madness
I present to you, one of my heroines, Susun Weed, in a scrappy and eh slurpy home video about herbal help against viruses and specifically corona
Scoff all yiz want, but I have used herbs for decades to excellent effect. She advises to eat sauerkraut, plants from cabbage family, plants from mustard family like turnips, elderberry tincture, echinecea angustifolia tincture, poke root and boneset. So here is my home witch Susun...

https://youtu.be/e_DsjZcVnBQ

Ahem. Back to normal transmission.

Took one look and can already tell she's a lunatic

12-02-2020 10:15AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Also ginger and turmeric appear to be good.

I think it’s time I took the shopping list of supplies seriously now. I have fresh ginger, fresh lemons and I have turmeric in powdered form. Would preserving the ginger and lemons compromise their nutritional value?

saabsaab · 12-02-2020 10:15AM

Would drinking hot tea be any defence? Or like the film 'Grabbers' whiskey?

Wibbs · 12-02-2020 10:15AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

That person linked the source of data, you can do the math yourself

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Aye, but the reall scary problem si we simply don't know yet. What concerns me is less the deaths but the estimated 45000 infected cases(which could be a very low number recorded), but only a tenth measured as recovered(again could be a very low number recorded too). I wonder what the pattern of those ratios would be if this were a seasonal flu we were in the middle of?

BanditLuke · 12-02-2020 10:16AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's probably 3/4 of those ICU beds full as it is, let alone the lack of ventilation devices. We're completely screwed if this thing lands here.

Said it yesterday the complete and utter "ah sure we'll be grand" attitude here will cost us dearly.

12-02-2020 10:17AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just a few comments to be made|:

TREATMENT?
- Vitamin C (ascorbic acid/antioxidant fights cytokine surge)Vitamin C replacement is only necessary if vitamin C deficient.
- O2 Therapy This is useful if ti progresses to viral pneumonia. It's a supportive measure rather than a treatment
- Protein Pump inhibitors (reduce replication)Makes no sense First of all it's proton pump inhibitor. Secondly, PPI's reduce the acidity of your stomach which means that micro-organisms are more likley to survive. Studies have been done in relation to norovirus and been on a PPI increases your risk of getting norovirus
- NOT Aspirin (deceases Vitamin C)Aspirin only decreases the absorption of vitamin C. It doesn't decrease vitamin c level in the body. If you are not vitamin c deficient, there is no point in taking it as a supplement. your body ends up excreting the excess
- Meds "protein pump inhibitors" / reduce Histamine OVER-productionIf you wanted a anti-histamine effect, would it not be better to use an antihistamine such as ceterizine or chlorphenamine?
- Pepcid, Tagamet, Adix or Zantac (Ranitidine Hydrochloride 2-4 wks supply PP)
- Prilosec, Operazole, Prevacid or Nexium (Famotidine 2-4 wks supply PP) These aren't all PPI's. Some are H2RA's.

!

If looking for advice about medications/treatment, please contact a healthcare professional.

givyjoe · 12-02-2020 10:17AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Also ginger and turmeric appear to be good.

Horsing the Ginger nut biscuits into me from now on :pac::pac:

givyjoe · 12-02-2020 10:18AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Woooooooosh

Your attempt at being dim was very convincing, my bad :rolleyes:

gmisk · 12-02-2020 10:19AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just pulled it from one of the posts in the gab coronavirus group
https://gab.com/groups/4077

Ah that explains it.
So it's basically someone who is a prepper, that makes more sense now.
I don't think I will be rushing out to buy a shotgun and tripwires just yet...

12-02-2020 10:21AM

According to wiki preserving lemons reduces the vitamin c levels from 64% to zero. So scrapping that idea.

igCorcaigh · 12-02-2020 10:22AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

And is there any way to slow the natural response down to a level where it’s still fighting a virus but not not over exerting itself?

Not sure.

12-02-2020 10:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If looking for advice about medications/treatment, please contact a healthcare professional.

Dazzler, I know you work in the HSE as a pharmacist. Do you think that the health service should be issuing public safety announcements in regards to hand hygiene? If so, is that something you can raise internally to management or do you just have to wait like the rest of us to see if they do?

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 10:27AM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah that explains it.
So it's basically someone who is a prepper, that makes more sense now.
I don't think I will be rushing out to buy a shotgun and tripwires just yet...

I've got the shotgun and rolls of barbed wire already, I think we may survive down the country but they'll end up eating themselves in Dublin.
We've natural spring water, loads of beef and plenty of trees to burn to keep us warm, only one road into the house which will be flanked by heavy machinery ready to shove any vehicle or person down into the river.
I've this planned out, I'm going to survive it along with my relations and immediate family.

s7ryf3925pivug · 12-02-2020 10:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If looking for advice about medications/treatment, please contact a healthcare professional.

Would you have a look at the literature on vitamin c and turmeric's effects on cytokine production and give your view on it?

Gynoid · 12-02-2020 10:30AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Took one look and can already tell she's a lunatic

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17487-8

That's okay, my friend. Just means more yummy sauerkraut in the shops for the lunatics like me

gmisk · 12-02-2020 10:31AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've got the shotgun and rolls of barbed wire already, I think we may survive down the country but they'll end up eating themselves in Dublin.
We've natural spring water, loads of beef and plenty of trees to burn to keep us warm, only one road into the house which will be flanked by heavy machinery ready to shove any vehicle or person down into the river.
I've this planned out, I'm going to survive it along with my relations and immediate family.

You an always read world war z for more tips!

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 10:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If looking for advice about medications/treatment, please contact a healthcare professional.

They could be thin on the ground shortly, I'm taking some echinacea for a bit of resistance until we get some official information of how to protect ourselves.

ThePopehimself · 12-02-2020 10:39AM

Following on from Blergh’s post, I have the following:
A box of 50 Surgical Disposable Face Masks with adaptable nose bar. (Homecare Medical)
6 x Vitrex Premium Respirator P2 Masks FFP2 (Home Base)
8 x Vitrex Premium RespiratorP3 Masks FFP3 (HomeBase)
8 x Harris Task masters Dust Masks. (Local hardware store)
2 x 300ml Purell Advanced Alcohol hand rub (Homecare Medical)
8 x 50ml (pocket size) Hand sanitizing Hand Gels (Aldi)
200 Homecare medical Hard surface wet wipes 70% Isoproply Alcohol Solution (Homecare Medical)
I have liquid soap beside every sink to which I ALWAYS add Dettol. Always.
I have also bought and given masks to my elderly dad, elderly father in law and my Brother (who is very compromised).
Our son has a disability.

josip · 12-02-2020 10:41AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Also, start to consciously practice NOT touching your face when out in public. Perhaps a good exercise would be to log how many times you do touch your face when sitting at your desk or looking at your phone. I know I’ve touched my face 5 times whilst typing this.

Nadal is fu**ed

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 10:41AM

Grocery List for 90-day Meal Plan here, looks simple enough..

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/survival-kitchen/pandemic-survival-how-much-food/

gmisk · 12-02-2020 10:49AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Grocery List for 90-day Meal Plan here, looks simple enough..

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/survival-kitchen/pandemic-survival-how-much-food/

My thoughts after looking at that and reading the comments....christ Americans are mad aren't they

12-02-2020 10:59AM

gmisk wrote: »

My thoughts after looking at that and reading the comments....christ Americans are mad aren't they

What’s with their love of spam?

:vomit:

Wibbs · 12-02-2020 11:00AM

Trawling through my collection of oddball tat. Sh1t got real.

Actually that would protect the nose eyes and mouth. The filters are dated 2017. Might get the Guards called going into tesco mind you.

Wibbs · 12-02-2020 11:03AM

gmisk wrote: »

My thoughts after looking at that and reading the comments....christ Americans are mad aren't they

I've noted that this seems to much more prevalent in really big countries with "faraway" central governments. Russians and Chinese can be similar as far as government mistrust and rumour, though Americans win on this. I suppose their internal cultural myth of the individual settlers in a strange land fleeing oppression from somewhere else. When you consider the nation was largely founded by religious types who were considered a tad too mad even for post Reformation Europe.

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