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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #5012
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Should we be worried about this? As someone who uses public transport in Dublin for the best part of 2.5 hours a day, how concerned should I be?

    I hate to come across as one of those ignorant "someone tell me how this impacts me" posters but I guess that's exactly what I am as I've completely ignored this developing story for the most part.


  • #5013
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We should get something like this going...

    NOTE: Deleted & Reposted when new info available
    ... COLLATED INFO 'AS-IS' ONLY ....

    DATA: Suspect & Delayed, Media/Govt lying.

    INFECTION:
    - Airborne particles (0.13 microns) travels up to HUNDREDS of yards
    - Ends up on floors (shoes) and ALL surfaces
    - Personal contact
    - Touching/LOOTING any item contaminated
    - May be found on common surfaces/recycled protective equipment
    - Foods (low temp cooking)
    - POOR HYGIENE/Lack of vigilance

    ABSORPTION:
    - Mucus zones (EYES, MOUTH, EARS, NOSE, LUNGS, DIGESTIVE TRACT)
    - Open wounds (via blood)
    - Under-sterilized / unprepared surgeries

    SYMPTOMS:
    - 0 to 28 days until symptoms appear
    - Cough
    - Fever & Fatigue
    - Nausea & Vomiting (urge to vomit)
    - Diarrhea & Stomach discomfort (squirts and pain)
    - Pneumonia (flem/dry cough, chest pain, fever, trouble breathing)
    - Rhinorrhea (nasal cavity is filled with mucus fluid)
    - Sudden (apparent) Heart Attack

    CONTAGIOUS:
    - 0 to death (this could mean areas are contaminated up to 60 days PER person!)
    - Up to 28 days later
    - Evaporation of infected body waste
    - Decomposing bodies
    - Lasts min 5 days on surfaces (airborne?), up to 28 days+

    PROTECTION:
    - Sunlight helps to kill it!
    - Alcohol wipes are not 100%
    - MOST masks only filter down to 0.3 microns (virus is 0.12)
    - Disposable masks become useless quick due to humid breath
    - Sodium HypoChlorate (Pool Chlorine) or Bleach (0.5% with water) used to decontaminate surfaces/air
    - Standard "MEDICAL GRADE" gloves are NOT 100%
    - Full body suits (coveralls, 2/3x gloves, shoe covers, sealed eyewear/full face shield, respirator (canister type), TAPE over joints/seals)
    - AVOID ALL public spaces/facilities
    - Bleach spray, leave 1 hour
    - Detox hands regularly
    - Detox between public / private areas.
    - U.V. Light kills virus (uncertain duration)
    - Blood pH Increasers (eg strong Lemon Drinks)
    - Glycyrrhizin (licorice root) reduces replication
    - Zinc (tablets)
    - 65C/150F for 15+ minutes kills virus

    TREATMENT?
    - Vitamin C (ascorbic acid/antioxidant fights cytokine surge)
    - O2 Therapy
    - Protein Pump inhibitors (reduce replication)
    - NOT Aspirin (deceases Vitamin C)
    - Meds "protein pump inhibitors" / reduce Histamine OVER-production
    - Pepcid, Tagamet, Adix or Zantac (Ranitidine Hydrochloride 2-4 wks supply PP)
    - Prilosec, Operazole, Prevacid or Nexium (Famotidine 2-4 wks supply PP)

    SURVIVAL:
    - 90 days of food/water/hygiene PP min (prep QUIETLY before empty shelves)
    - Hardened residence (windows, doors, roof, yard, CCTV, tripwire alerts, lookouts)
    - Armed occupants (Looters WILL try to kill you for food/water/protection)
    - Decontamination room for goods received
    - Isolation room for infected (fit Ultra-Violet lighting, spray surfaces with diluted bleach)
    - PPE Personal Protective Equipment to remove dead/protect from virus
    - Decont'n area between home and public
    - Multi-vit & sleep/stay awake tabs
    - Water filt & Boil gear/energy
    - Flashlight/recharger
    - NVG
    - Don't trust govt/media

    If you know more info, add it in a reply!

    Lemon juice is acidic.

    Turmeric and ginger to fight cytokine surge?


  • #5014
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    tuxy wrote: »
    174 positive, 4 critical.
    And dealing with a group that are much older than the average age of the general population.

    Your forgetting symptoms are mild for a week to 9 days.
    On the 4th Feb only 10 cases showing symptoms in the ship.
    Now there are 174 showing symptoms..
    But they should all be mild for the first week.

    Now of the original 10, 4 need hospitalisation.
    People keep forgetting the time lag.
    It's what makes the resolved cases by deaths stats so horrifying.
    And hopefully incorrect. Hopefully there are MILLIONs sitting at home infected but mild. But we don't know. They could just as easily be dying at home.
    Nobody knows.

    Poor people on the ship. Sitting ducks. And the chef cooking for everyone? Why are meals not coming from outside the ship?


  • #5015
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Should we be worried about this? As someone who uses public transport in Dublin for the best part of 2.5 hours a day, how concerned should I be?

    I hate to come across as one of those ignorant "someone tell me how this impacts me" posters but I guess that's exactly what I am as I've completely ignored this developing story for the most part.

    None of us knows.
    Keep an eye on the news and practice good hygiene.


  • #5016
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-is-the-worst-enemy-you-can-imagine-leading-doctors-warn-11931982

    Only a flu

    How many times, it's NOT a flu virus. It's viral pneumonia.


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  • #5017
    busymum1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭busymum1


    2 prisoners, a GP and an a and e worker in the UK.. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51470342. All confirmed positive. No putting this one back in the box now. Don't expect an ICU bed here! https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/expert-intensive-care-units-lack-resources-to-cope-with-coronavirus-epidemic-981203.html


  • #5018
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Should we be worried about this? As someone who uses public transport in Dublin for the best part of 2.5 hours a day, how concerned should I be?

    I hate to come across as one of those ignorant "someone tell me how this impacts me" posters but I guess that's exactly what I am as I've completely ignored this developing story for the most part.

    We all need to get the basics right. Hand washing being No1. Also, start to consciously practice NOT touching your face when out in public. Perhaps a good exercise would be to log how many times you do touch your face when sitting at your desk or looking at your phone. I know I’ve touched my face 5 times whilst typing this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riApbjnhLfc


  • #5019
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Should we be worried about this? As someone who uses public transport in Dublin for the best part of 2.5 hours a day, how concerned should I be?
    Going by the amount of selfish ignorant arseholes on the DART coughing/sneezing without any effort to cover themselves over the past week I think we have every reason to be concerned if this thing lands in this city


  • #5020
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,462 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    busymum1 wrote: »
    2 prisoners, a GP and an a and e worker in the UK.. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51470342. All confirmed positive. No putting this one back in the box now. Don't expect an ICU bed here! https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/expert-intensive-care-units-lack-resources-to-cope-with-coronavirus-epidemic-981203.html

    Thanks for the link. I'm going to quote the intro for that Examiner article given its relevance to Ireland...
    Intensive care units in public acute hospitals lack the resources to cope with a coronavirus epidemic, a medical expert has warned.
    “You can cope with sporadic cases but if there is a large number we will struggle to cope and probably won't,” said Dr Rory Dwyer, clinical lead of the Irish National Intensive Care Unit Audit.
    “But there is no doubt that if we had a major epidemic we'd lack the resources to cope with that.

    Ireland has 5.2 ICU beds per 100,000 population, Britain has 7.2 and the European average is 11.5.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5021
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    There's probably 3/4 of those ICU beds full as it is, let alone the lack of ventilation devices. We're completely screwed if this thing lands here.


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  • #5022
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    I got some 3m 8833 masks (at less than half the price on this link right now, gouging bastards)

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0012RQJD2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TA7qEbY21DSCG

    They are way too small for me; the bottom sits on top of my chin. They cover my 2 year old's eyes. They fit my wife pretty well though. So they are the mama bear size in the blergh house.

    I already have a couple of jsp flexinet ones that fit me pretty well, but are too large for my wife.

    Might be useful to share knowledge on sizes if people are looking to buy masks. They aren't cheap or in great demand, and they are pretty useless if they don't fit properly.


  • #5023
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They are not allowed to return to Ireland.
    .

    I wouldn't put much credence in that article. Sounds like a repurposed rumour he heard in a pub last night when half-cut.


  • #5024
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Now that the election is over there should be cross party focus on this.

    They should put their squabbling on the line for 6 months at least.


  • #5025
    busymum1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭busymum1


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There's probably 3/4 of those ICU beds full as it is, let alone the lack of ventilation devices. We're completely screwed if this thing lands here.

    Unfortunately this stage I think it's 'when' not 'if'..


  • #5026
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Good time to get fit, and sort out any lifestyle issues that would compromise your immune system

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5027
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    the goal is to last until the summer before an outbreak I think, in the hope that the health care system will have lower volumes and the virus spreads less easily in the summer(but I dont think there is evidence of this)


  • #5028
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Now that the election is over there should be cross party focus on this.

    They should put their squabbling on the line for 6 months at least.
    God CC, you're optimistic. Precious few Irish governments of any side in our history could stop squabbling for any useful length of time and even fewer could organise a piss up in a brewery. And then we have the disaster that is the HSE at the organisational level. I have little faith in their abilities should this plague hit us here. And it's starting to feel like a plague too. As the weeks go on visible and contained situations like the ocean liner will tell us what is actually the likely trajectory of this illness. I strongly suspect what the Chinese gov have been telling us may turn out to be as accurate as a newspaper horoscope.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5029
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-is-the-worst-enemy-you-can-imagine-leading-doctors-warn-11931982

    Only a flu

    From that link

    Re name change from coronavirus to Covid19
    WHO officials added that they have gone to great lengths to ensure the name did not refer to a geographical location, animal or group of people.

    Or a brand of beer ...


  • #5030
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    I've got a pole chainsaw with an extra boom. So basically a chainsaw on the end of a very long pole. I think that is the most thematic weapon to use in defending our home. Classic zombie killing weapon adapted to deal with infectious enemies.


  • #5031
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,398 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    givyjoe wrote: »
    How many times, it's NOT a flu virus. It's viral pneumonia.
    Very true and its no joke pneumonia believe me.
    I had it before...lost about 3 stone by the end of it, fluid on both lungs horrendous


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  • #5032
    busymum1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭busymum1


    joseywhales wrote: »
    the goal is to last until the summer before an outbreak I think, in the hope that the health care system will have lower volumes and the virus spreads less easily in the summer(but I dont think there is evidence of this)

    Still spreading away in Singapore and it's hot there now ( 28-29 degrees C) https://www.bbc.com/weather/1880252. Some studies suggest hot and dry might be better but it's patchy at best. So I don't know that our Summer weather is going to help with the spread. It seems to be a very hardy virus. Fingers crossed for a quick vaccine!


  • #5033
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Should we be worried about this? As someone who uses public transport in Dublin for the best part of 2.5 hours a day, how concerned should I be?

    I hate to come across as one of those ignorant "someone tell me how this impacts me" posters but I guess that's exactly what I am as I've completely ignored this developing story for the most part.


    At this time it may not be a cause for concern but if I were you I would get a scarf and a pair of gloves and spray them with disinfectant regularly. Don't touch surfaces or make contact with others.

    I now someone is going to say that the virus can travel through a scarf etc. but it would stop droplets etc.


  • #5034
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    silverharp wrote: »
    Good time to get fit, and sort out any lifestyle issues that would compromise your immune system
    The kicker being a fatal cytokine storm is more likely to hit people with strong immune systems.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5035
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Brace everybody, you are gonna get a hint of my true levels of madness :)
    I present to you, one of my heroines, Susun Weed, in a scrappy and eh slurpy home video about herbal help against viruses and specifically corona
    Scoff all yiz want, but I have used herbs for decades to excellent effect. She advises to eat sauerkraut, plants from cabbage family, plants from mustard family like turnips, elderberry tincture, echinecea angustifolia tincture, poke root and boneset. So here is my home witch Susun...

    https://youtu.be/e_DsjZcVnBQ

    Ahem. Back to normal transmission.


  • #5036
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We should get something like this going...

    NOTE: Deleted & Reposted when new info available
    ... COLLATED INFO 'AS-IS' ONLY ....

    DATA: Suspect & Delayed, Media/Govt lying.

    INFECTION:
    - Airborne particles (0.13 microns) travels up to HUNDREDS of yards
    - Ends up on floors (shoes) and ALL surfaces
    - Personal contact
    - Touching/LOOTING any item contaminated
    - May be found on common surfaces/recycled protective equipment
    - Foods (low temp cooking)
    - POOR HYGIENE/Lack of vigilance

    ABSORPTION:
    - Mucus zones (EYES, MOUTH, EARS, NOSE, LUNGS, DIGESTIVE TRACT)
    - Open wounds (via blood)
    - Under-sterilized / unprepared surgeries

    SYMPTOMS:
    - 0 to 28 days until symptoms appear
    - Cough
    - Fever & Fatigue
    - Nausea & Vomiting (urge to vomit)
    - Diarrhea & Stomach discomfort (squirts and pain)
    - Pneumonia (flem/dry cough, chest pain, fever, trouble breathing)
    - Rhinorrhea (nasal cavity is filled with mucus fluid)
    - Sudden (apparent) Heart Attack

    CONTAGIOUS:
    - 0 to death (this could mean areas are contaminated up to 60 days PER person!)
    - Up to 28 days later
    - Evaporation of infected body waste
    - Decomposing bodies
    - Lasts min 5 days on surfaces (airborne?), up to 28 days+

    PROTECTION:
    - Sunlight helps to kill it!
    - Alcohol wipes are not 100%
    - MOST masks only filter down to 0.3 microns (virus is 0.12)
    - Disposable masks become useless quick due to humid breath
    - Sodium HypoChlorate (Pool Chlorine) or Bleach (0.5% with water) used to decontaminate surfaces/air
    - Standard "MEDICAL GRADE" gloves are NOT 100%
    - Full body suits (coveralls, 2/3x gloves, shoe covers, sealed eyewear/full face shield, respirator (canister type), TAPE over joints/seals)
    - AVOID ALL public spaces/facilities
    - Bleach spray, leave 1 hour
    - Detox hands regularly
    - Detox between public / private areas.
    - U.V. Light kills virus (uncertain duration)
    - Blood pH Increasers (eg strong Lemon Drinks)
    - Glycyrrhizin (licorice root) reduces replication
    - Zinc (tablets)
    - 65C/150F for 15+ minutes kills virus

    TREATMENT?
    - Vitamin C (ascorbic acid/antioxidant fights cytokine surge)
    - O2 Therapy
    - Protein Pump inhibitors (reduce replication)
    - NOT Aspirin (deceases Vitamin C)
    - Meds "protein pump inhibitors" / reduce Histamine OVER-production
    - Pepcid, Tagamet, Adix or Zantac (Ranitidine Hydrochloride 2-4 wks supply PP)
    - Prilosec, Operazole, Prevacid or Nexium (Famotidine 2-4 wks supply PP)

    SURVIVAL:
    - 90 days of food/water/hygiene PP min (prep QUIETLY before empty shelves)
    - Hardened residence (windows, doors, roof, yard, CCTV, tripwire alerts, lookouts)
    - Armed occupants (Looters WILL try to kill you for food/water/protection)
    - Decontamination room for goods received
    - Isolation room for infected (fit Ultra-Violet lighting, spray surfaces with diluted bleach)
    - PPE Personal Protective Equipment to remove dead/protect from virus
    - Decont'n area between home and public
    - Multi-vit & sleep/stay awake tabs
    - Water filt & Boil gear/energy
    - Flashlight/recharger
    - NVG
    - Don't trust govt/media

    If you know more info, add it in a reply!
    would you give the source of that please? Or sources for the info in the treatment section?


  • #5037
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Could someone explain what cytokine surge means? In plain, talking to a class of 10 year olds, language?


  • #5038
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Could someone explain what cytokine surge means? In plain, talking to a class of 10 year olds, language?

    The body's immune response gets too ramped up and causes damage.


  • #5039
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    At this time it may not be a cause for concern but if I were you I would get a scarf and a pair of gloves and spray them with disinfectant regularly. Don't touch surfaces or make contact with others.

    I now someone is going to say that the virus can travel through a scarf etc. but it would stop droplets etc.

    I’d consider wearing a scarf. It will at least slow down the droplets, wouldn’t it? Providing you spray it/wash it daily.


  • #5040
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    The body's immune response gets too ramped up and causes damage.

    And is there any way to slow the natural response down to a level where it’s still fighting a virus but not not over exerting itself?


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  • #5041
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    silverharp wrote: »
    Good time to get fit, and sort out any lifestyle issues that would compromise your immune system

    Wonder would the very poor air quality in China have made them more susceptible to serious infection than hopefully us in Europe


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