new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

tuxy · 12-02-2020 02:18AM

Has anyone mentioned that one of the two men that tested positive for the virus in the British prison was transferred from a Thai prison very recently?
Explains how it happened but creates more questions.

fritzelly · 12-02-2020 02:21AM

tuxy wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned that one of the two men that tested positive for the virus in the British prison was transferred from a Thai prison very recently?
Explains how it happened but creates more questions.

Bar one online news site (Daily Mail) they have not tested positive

bodhrandude · 12-02-2020 02:21AM

tuxy wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned that one of the two men that tested positive for the virus in the British prison was transferred from a Thai prison very recently?
Explains how it happened but creates more questions.

My house mate is returning from Thailand on Sunday night and collects his dog on Monday, I hope everything goes OK Hahaha. :eek:

anto9 · 12-02-2020 02:25AM

tuxy wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned that one of the two men that tested positive for the virus in the British prison was transferred from a Thai prison very recently?
Explains how it happened but creates more questions.

Both have been tested ,(Daily Mail ) but no results in yet .If anyone knows different please give a link as this is of great interest to me .

wakka12 · 12-02-2020 02:26AM

4 passengers from the Japanese ship who tested positive are now in serious conditions, on ventilator/ICU

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f2igzy/japanese_health_minister_katsunobu_kato_out_of_53/

I hear that they are apparently not going to test everyone on board, just those who show symptoms. This seems crazy, as there is an opportunity to accurately assess the danger of the virus now.

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-02-2020 02:33AM

anto9 wrote: »

Both have been tested ,(Daily Mail ) but no results in yet .If anyone knows different please give a link as this is of great interest to me .

Both positive: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-in-the-uk-prisoners-test-positive-hmp-bullingdon-oxfordshire-1474438
Wonder if he starred in those crime tv shows e.g. Banged up in... Bangkok/Abroad.

Meanwhile the USMil approves x11 camps for upto 1,000 across the country. On the flip side, they have relased 195 from the previous Cali quarantine. If any catch it later in this month, the 14days period may need extended.

gozunda · 12-02-2020 02:34AM

As of the 10th Beijing authorities issued an "Outbreak Prevention and Control Notice Strict Closed Management of Residential Communities", announcing Beijing a "closed city" state.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3873964

And yet the WHO and Chinese government still maintain that any restrictions on travel from / to China is not required?

Elsewhere the Westerdam Cruise ship is still not being allowed to dock - although it has no confirmed cases of Coronovirus

The Philippine government have also forced plane to return to Taiwan in a new ban on flights from there.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874867.

**** is getting serious...

bb12 · 12-02-2020 02:42AM

wakka12 wrote: »

4 passengers from the Japanese ship who tested positive are now in serious conditions, on ventilator/ICU

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f2igzy/japanese_health_minister_katsunobu_kato_out_of_53/

I hear that they are apparently not going to test everyone on board, just those who show symptoms. This seems crazy, as there is an opportunity to accurately assess the danger of the virus now.

4 severely ill out of 39 positives indicates a 10% rate of those who catch this needing intensive treatment such as oxygen, ventilator etc...that seems to correspond to a lot of the research paper numbers being put forward in last few days...so out of every 10,000 confirmed cases about 1000 will need some form of intensive care...that will put some serious strain on any health system

tuxy · 12-02-2020 02:46AM

bb12 wrote: »

4 severely ill out of 39 positives indicates a 10% rate of those who catch this needing intensive treatment such as oxygen, ventilator etc...that seems to correspond to a lot of the research paper numbers being put forward in last few days...so out of every 10,000 confirmed cases about 1000 will need some form of intensive care...that will put some serious strain on any health system

174 positive, 4 critical.
And dealing with a group that are much older than the average age of the general population.

bb12 · 12-02-2020 02:48AM

tuxy wrote: »

174 positive, 4 critical.

at the time the above article was posted there were only 39 positives.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-02-2020 02:48AM

gozunda wrote: »

As of the 10th Beijing authorities issued an "Outbreak Prevention and Control Notice Strict Closed Management of Residential Communities", announcing Beijing a "closed city" state.

The consequences of Beijing or Shanghai having to go through the horrific situation in Wuhan would be extremely serious for China and the global economy.

They'll do everything at all cost to prevent that. They have no choice.

tuxy · 12-02-2020 02:49AM

bb12 wrote: »

at the time the above article was posted there were only 39 positives.

No 39 new cases, 174 total positive.

laurah591 · 12-02-2020 02:51AM

bb12 wrote: »

4 severely ill out of 39 positives indicates a 10% rate of those who catch this needing intensive treatment such as oxygen, ventilator etc...that seems to correspond to a lot of the research paper numbers being put forward in last few days...so out of every 10,000 confirmed cases about 1000 will need some form of intensive care...that will put some serious strain on any health system

My reading on that is its 4 out of the 175 odd, so a 2.2% risk of serious condition (Subject to change) as opposed to 10%

bb12 · 12-02-2020 02:52AM

tuxy wrote: »

No 39 new cases, 174 total positive.

ah my fault. i misread. will be interesting to see how many of the other positives will need oxygen over the next few days

12-02-2020 03:16AM

bb12 wrote: »

ah my fault. i misread. will be interesting to see how many of the other positives will need oxygen over the next few days

From what I am reading it seems that quite a large proportion symptomatic people actually do need some supplemental oxygen as the O2 sats fall. That normally means hospitalisation in an isolation room or with others who are known positive. In 1918 people had a more fatalistic outlook anyway as life expectancy was much less, people just laid in their beds until they got better or died. Now we have an expectation of as much medical intervention as can be mustered to keep ourselves alive. Sadly in a pandemic situation we just don’t have enough resources to attempt to save the maximum possible amount of people.

bodhrandude · 12-02-2020 03:44AM

RTE have reported last night that there was 65 unconfirmed cases that have proven to be negative so far.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0211/1114493-coronavirus/

Kermit.de.frog · 12-02-2020 03:49AM

Ireland has banned state agency staff from returning home from China.

ardinn · 12-02-2020 04:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

From what I am reading it seems that quite a large proportion symptomatic people actually do need some supplemental oxygen as the O2 sats fall. That normally means hospitalisation in an isolation room or with others who are known positive. In 1918 people had a more fatalistic outlook anyway as life expectancy was much less, people just laid in their beds until they got better or died. Now we have an expectation of as much medical intervention as can be mustered to keep ourselves alive. Sadly in a pandemic situation we just don’t have enough resources to attempt to save the maximum possible amount of people.

Oxygen seems to be the problem.

Im pretty sure you could treat this fully at home if oxygen was available, I have looked into getting it, but its restricted. About 1-2litres per min seems like the norm, but 5 for ncov has been recorded.

This will be what kills people in developed countries, the lack of oxygen facilities.

It's the single most important part of the probelm, If I was in government i would be making sure we have huge supplies and its available on delivery to homes, you can monitor your blood oxygen fairly accurately with a blood pressure monitor. 3 days and you should be good to go again.

However dificult this would be to implement, its what should be happening if the government are serious about treating it. It would take a huge strain from the hospitals.

12-02-2020 05:34AM

This thread is a farce. The person who posted their made up death rate of 19% earlier should be banned from the thread, would be arrested in China, and would be fined in Vietnam, and for good reason.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-02-2020 06:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread is a farce. The person who posted their made up death rate of 19% earlier should be banned from the thread, would be arrested in China, and would be fined in Vietnam, and for good reason.

Do you believe the Chinese Communist Party?

Even the "stats" they have they have fiddled now because they, alone, have decided the criteria. We all know the figures are total bs and it is far worse than we are told.

And with good reason for them.

Why the rest of the world should buy it is beyond me.

12-02-2020 06:19AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Do you believe the Chinese Communist Party?

Even the "stats" they have they have fiddled now because they, alone, have decided the criteria. We all know the figures are total bs and it is far worse than we are told.

And with good reason for them.

Why the rest of the world should buy it is beyond me.

We don't even need to use to use Chinese numbers. That poster's made up stat was debunked a page later but no one seems to care.

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 06:49AM

Is there a preppers thread?

GooglePlus · 12-02-2020 06:49AM

Doomsday scenarios only please, I've almost climaxed

12-02-2020 06:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Do you believe the Chinese Communist Party?

Even the "stats" they have they have fiddled now because they, alone, have decided the criteria. We all know the figures are total bs and it is far worse than we are told.

And with good reason for them.

Why the rest of the world should buy it is beyond me.

and this is why:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-aviation/chinas-aviation-regulator-hopes-countries-will-lift-virus-related-travel-curbs-soon-idUSKBN2060B8

China’s aviation regulator said on Wednesday that it hopes countries will lift virus-related travel restrictions as soon as possible, in line with guidance from the World Health Organization and International Civil Aviation Organization.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China will continue to lobby authorities to subsidize airlines hurt by travel curbs due to the coronavirus, Xiong Jie, a CAAC official, told a media briefing.

China wants to get trade and travel going again.

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 06:59AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Doomsday scenarios only please, I've almost climaxed

I'm dreaming of squashing people in the jcb who dare come near the farm, gonna make sure all the diesel tanks are full, have a fresh water source and a slaughter room where I'm going to hold up for a few months. This is going to turn brutal once we start running out of water and food, we couldn't even survive a few days of snow without bread.

BanditLuke · 12-02-2020 07:43AM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-is-the-worst-enemy-you-can-imagine-leading-doctors-warn-11931982

Only a flu

drunkmonkey · 12-02-2020 07:49AM

We should get something like this going...

NOTE: Deleted & Reposted when new info available
... COLLATED INFO 'AS-IS' ONLY ....

DATA: Suspect & Delayed, Media/Govt lying.

INFECTION:
- Airborne particles (0.13 microns) travels up to HUNDREDS of yards
- Ends up on floors (shoes) and ALL surfaces
- Personal contact
- Touching/LOOTING any item contaminated
- May be found on common surfaces/recycled protective equipment
- Foods (low temp cooking)
- POOR HYGIENE/Lack of vigilance

ABSORPTION:
- Mucus zones (EYES, MOUTH, EARS, NOSE, LUNGS, DIGESTIVE TRACT)
- Open wounds (via blood)
- Under-sterilized / unprepared surgeries

SYMPTOMS:
- 0 to 28 days until symptoms appear
- Cough
- Fever & Fatigue
- Nausea & Vomiting (urge to vomit)
- Diarrhea & Stomach discomfort (squirts and pain)
- Pneumonia (flem/dry cough, chest pain, fever, trouble breathing)
- Rhinorrhea (nasal cavity is filled with mucus fluid)
- Sudden (apparent) Heart Attack

CONTAGIOUS:
- 0 to death (this could mean areas are contaminated up to 60 days PER person!)
- Up to 28 days later
- Evaporation of infected body waste
- Decomposing bodies
- Lasts min 5 days on surfaces (airborne?), up to 28 days+

PROTECTION:
- Sunlight helps to kill it!
- Alcohol wipes are not 100%
- MOST masks only filter down to 0.3 microns (virus is 0.12)
- Disposable masks become useless quick due to humid breath
- Sodium HypoChlorate (Pool Chlorine) or Bleach (0.5% with water) used to decontaminate surfaces/air
- Standard "MEDICAL GRADE" gloves are NOT 100%
- Full body suits (coveralls, 2/3x gloves, shoe covers, sealed eyewear/full face shield, respirator (canister type), TAPE over joints/seals)
- AVOID ALL public spaces/facilities
- Bleach spray, leave 1 hour
- Detox hands regularly
- Detox between public / private areas.
- U.V. Light kills virus (uncertain duration)
- Blood pH Increasers (eg strong Lemon Drinks)
- Glycyrrhizin (licorice root) reduces replication
- Zinc (tablets)
- 65C/150F for 15+ minutes kills virus

TREATMENT?
- Vitamin C (ascorbic acid/antioxidant fights cytokine surge)
- O2 Therapy
- Protein Pump inhibitors (reduce replication)
- NOT Aspirin (deceases Vitamin C)
- Meds "protein pump inhibitors" / reduce Histamine OVER-production
- Pepcid, Tagamet, Adix or Zantac (Ranitidine Hydrochloride 2-4 wks supply PP)
- Prilosec, Operazole, Prevacid or Nexium (Famotidine 2-4 wks supply PP)

SURVIVAL:
- 90 days of food/water/hygiene PP min (prep QUIETLY before empty shelves)
- Hardened residence (windows, doors, roof, yard, CCTV, tripwire alerts, lookouts)
- Armed occupants (Looters WILL try to kill you for food/water/protection)
- Decontamination room for goods received
- Isolation room for infected (fit Ultra-Violet lighting, spray surfaces with diluted bleach)
- PPE Personal Protective Equipment to remove dead/protect from virus
- Decont'n area between home and public
- Multi-vit & sleep/stay awake tabs
- Water filt & Boil gear/energy
- Flashlight/recharger
- NVG
- Don't trust govt/media

If you know more info, add it in a reply!

BanditLuke · 12-02-2020 07:55AM

The WHO have urged the world to "wake up". Most people seem to think this virus is just a reason to send stupid memes on WhatsApp. I highly doubt it will be as funny when they are getting phone calls from loved ones who are dying and they are unabe to visit them due to the nature of actions taken to ensure it doesn't spread.

More airtime yesterday devoted to some drunk lad shouting up the RA in the wee hours of the morning than this.

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 07:58AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ireland has banned state agency staff from returning home from China.

I would doubt that to be the case. The Irish government or state agencies can't ban Irish citizens from entering their own country.

If I had stage-5 black death,my limbs were falling off and I presented to the immigration desk at Dublin airport they couldn't refuse me.

What they are probably doing is requesting that they fulfill their duties from their homes remotely.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-02-2020 08:12AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I would doubt that to be the case. The Irish government or state agencies can't ban Irish citizens from entering their own country.

If I had stage-5 black death,my limbs were falling off and I presented to the immigration desk at Dublin airport they couldn't refuse me.

What they are probably doing is requesting that they fulfill their duties from their homes remotely.

They are not allowed to return to Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/state-agencies-ban-irish-staff-in-china-from-coming-home-38949359.html

I have been saying for weeks on here that the CCP is full of sh!t about this whole thing, that countries around the world know it and are sharing intelligence.

The hospitals the Chinese built in record time when most people are being put in to what are effectively concentration camps from which they won't come out. They are not going to those new hospitals.

All publicity stunts to detract from an incredibly serious crisis.

My only hope is China asks for international assistance - it's difficult for them because they believe they are a power in the world - but I have no faith in them at all to handle this nor should anyone else.

Let's hope they ask for assistance because this can't be contained in the way they hope.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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