new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

sdanseo · 11-02-2020 11:22PM

I saw the video. I also saw the third reply:

#FAKENEWSWATCH: This video is not related to the #Coronavirus. The 3 children shown in the video died after carbon monoxide poisoning.
Still shocking nonetheless.

fritzelly · 11-02-2020 11:23PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1227355340238446592

BloodBath · 11-02-2020 11:27PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Currently 250 times higher than flu.

r/Coronavirus

Based on what mathematics? Impossible to determine with very limited information.

So much sensationalist fear mongering click bait stories been said and linked here as facts. Fear sells if you let it.

Call Me Jimmy · 11-02-2020 11:29PM

fritzelly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1227355340238446592

Either the WHO and their conclusion is wrong or travel bans / mass quarantining REALLY work astonishingly well in terms of spread.

Hopefully the official new case numbers are truly representative of a the trend in China. I have my doubts, think we need to project only from international cases.

drunkmonkey · 11-02-2020 11:33PM

sdanseo wrote: »

I saw the video. I also saw the third reply:

Why would they all be wearing facemasks and putting the 3 kids in the one body bag if it was carbon monoxide poisoning. Any source to fact check the 3rd reply.

macapaca · 11-02-2020 11:33PM

sdanseo wrote: »

I saw the video. I also saw the third reply:

Quote:
#FAKENEWSWATCH: This video is not related to the #Coronavirus. The 3 children shown in the video died after carbon monoxide poisoning.
Still shocking nonetheless.

If it was CO2 poisoning then why are the staff wearing hazmat suits though?

Fr_Dougal · 11-02-2020 11:35PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Based on what mathematics? Impossible to determine with very limited information.

So much sensationalist fear mongering click bait stories been said and linked here as facts. Fear sells if you let it.

Google annual flu death rate yourself to make sure you’re happy with the source.

The math for this Coronavirus is number of deaths/diagnosed * 100.

Of course you won’t know the official death rate until it’s over.

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 11:35PM

sdanseo wrote: »

I saw the video. I also saw the third reply:

They died of carbon monoxide poisoning in the hospital?

sdanseo · 11-02-2020 11:41PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why would they all be wearing facemasks and putting the 3 kids in the one body bag if it was carbon monoxide poisoning. Any source to fact check the 3rd reply.

macapaca wrote: »

If it was CO2 poisoning then why are the staff wearing hazmat suits though?

They're not wearing hazmat suits. Two of the lads look like police or paramedics in black jackets. One doctor is wearing a lab coat. Everyone is wearing a mask. How remarkable. Almost everyone in the continent of Asia is wearing a mask in public at the moment!

The bodies we have thus far being seen moved have been by people in full coveralls, masks, goggles and even splash-visors.

This is not that.
Analyse the video and apply logic.
Stop sensationalising.

BanditLuke wrote: »

They died of carbon monoxide poisoning in the hospital?

They're clearly in a main lobby/ED area. Paramedics would suggest they were just brought in, and quickly it was found that nothing could be done.

car_radio19834 · 11-02-2020 11:41PM

Number of new cases is declining, so this thing should be easily dealt with now I would guess. Might be out of the news in a week.

BloodBath · 11-02-2020 11:44PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Google annual flu death rate yourself to make sure you’re happy with the source.

The math for this Coronavirus is number of deaths/diagnosed * 100.

Of course you won’t know the official death rate until it’s over.

It's not the flu figures I have an issue with. It's the corona virus figures which don't take into account those who don't administer themselves to hospital with it and recover at home.

An example roughly 43 million people get the flu each year. 650k of these are hospitalised. 61k deaths. If you were taking figures from only those who are hospitalised you would get a near 10% death rate which is obviously ridiculous and not an accurate calculation.

The only corona virus figures you have are those who are hospitalised. There's been 45k cases and 1,100 deaths which is 2.5% even lower than the flu's rate if you're only taking hospitalised cases into account.

A load of dramatised bull****.

ceadaoin. · 11-02-2020 11:50PM

BloodBath wrote: »

It's not the flu figures I have an issue with. It's the corona virus figures which don't take into account those who don't administer themselves to hospital with it and recover at home.

An example roughly 43 million people get the flu each year. 650k of these are hospitalised. 61k deaths. If you were taking figures from only those who are hospitalised you would get a near 10% death rate which is obviously ridiculous and not an accurate calculation.

The only corona virus figures you have are those who are hospitalised. There's been 45k cases and 1,100 deaths which is 2.5% even lower than the flu's rate if you're only taking hospitalised cases into account.

A load of dramatised bull****.

Exactly. It seems clear from the known cases outside china that this a mild illness for most people. Otherwise we would be seeing more deaths and critical cases. If it was spreading out in the wild in the rest of the world (which is almost certainly is), and it was that dangerous, then cases of hospitalization with pneumonia and negative flu tests would be spiking. This doesn't seem to be happening. At least in the US where they report results weekly, most tests are still positive for flu.

The chinese figures only count those who have been hospitalized therefore its already only including cases with severe symptoms who are more likely to have poorer outcomes.

sdanseo · 11-02-2020 11:51PM

BloodBath wrote: »

It's not the flu figures I have an issue with. It's the corona virus figures which don't take into account those who don't administer themselves to hospital with it and recover at home.

An example roughly 43 million people get the flu each year. 650k of these are hospitalised. 61k deaths. If you were taking figures from only those who are hospitalised you would get a near 10% death rate which is obviously ridiculous and not an accurate calculation.

The only corona virus figures you have are those who are hospitalised. There's been 45k cases and 1,100 deaths which is 2.5% even lower than the flu's rate if you're only taking hospitalised cases into account.

A load of dramatised bull****.

Those figures are just the USA. More than 650,000 people die of the flu in the world annually.

Around 54 times more people have died from the flu in the last 30 days than Coronavirus, although obviously the case fatality ration is spectacularly high in comparison.

Martina1991 · 11-02-2020 11:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote:

I thought kids were safe enough from this, I've just seen 3 of them go in the one body bag, no need to post it.

How do you even know thats from coronavirus.

You shouldn't just drop that into the thread when it could be completely unrelated.

People here are worried enough as it is.

tuxy · 11-02-2020 11:51PM

macapaca wrote: »

If it was CO2 poisoning then why are the staff wearing hazmat suits though?

No hazmat suits in the video, just masks.

There is currently a very serious coronavirus in many cities in China, it is illegal to not wear a mask in public.
However this will not prevent hospitals from attempting to treat both adults and children suffering from other serious conditions such as carbon monoxide poisoning.

Call Me Jimmy · 11-02-2020 11:52PM

BloodBath wrote: »

It's not the flu figures I have an issue with. It's the corona virus figures which don't take into account those who don't administer themselves to hospital with it and recover at home.

An example roughly 43 million people get the flu each year. 650k of these are hospitalised. 61k deaths. If you were taking figures from only those who are hospitalised you would get a near 10% death rate which is obviously ridiculous and not an accurate calculation.

The only corona virus figures you have are those who are hospitalised. There's been 45k cases and 1,100 deaths which is 2.5% even lower than the flu's rate if you're only taking hospitalised cases into account.

A load of dramatised bull****.

What's your take on the Chinese government being such drama queens about it?

givyjoe · 11-02-2020 11:53PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Number of new cases is declining, so this thing should be easily dealt with now I would guess. Might be out of the news in a week.

I'm on the mobile, so I can't stick in that roll eyes emoji.. but seriously, you cannot actually believe that?

Did you miss the WHO stating this was very grave threat to the world, in just the last day?

BorneTobyWilde · 11-02-2020 11:56PM

I can't imagine those little masks protect all the nurses, soldiers and police rounding up or screening the affected. Could a virus like this be stopped with military action, or is that just the stuff of movies.

ceadaoin. · 11-02-2020 11:58PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's your take on the Chinese government being such drama queens about it?

Because they know they dropped the ball big time at the start of this and are pulling out all the stops to get it under control to save face and because their economy depends on it. It's not like they're averse to using such extreme methods against their citizens in normal circumstances, this is just an extension of that

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 11:59PM

Some real head in the sand stuff here tonight.

Fr_Dougal · 11-02-2020 11:59PM

BloodBath wrote: »

It's not the flu figures I have an issue with. It's the corona virus figures which don't take into account those who don't administer themselves to hospital with it and recover at home.

An example roughly 43 million people get the flu each year. 650k of these are hospitalised. 61k deaths. If you were taking figures from only those who are hospitalised you would get a near 10% death rate which is obviously ridiculous and not an accurate calculation.

The only corona virus figures you have are those who are hospitalised. There's been 45k cases and 1,100 deaths which is 2.5% even lower than the flu's rate if you're only taking hospitalised cases into account.

A load of dramatised bull****.

Your post is all over the shop, annual death rate for the flu is .01%.

I’d advise you to do your research before you come in here f-ing and blinding out of yourself.

BloodBath · 12-02-2020 12:00AM

sdanseo wrote: »

Those figures are just the USA. More than 650,000 people die of the flu in the world annually.

Around 54 times more people have died from the flu in the last 30 days than Coronavirus, although obviously the case fatality ration is spectacularly high in comparison.

Oh right. I missed that. Regardless the % shouldn't change much when brought worldwide.

I don't see how people are getting 20% figure from coronvirus though.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's your take on the Chinese government being such drama queens about it?

In what ways? I'd imagine quarantines are mainly precautionary and they do have a large population so even with low deaths rates it could kill millions if no efforts were made to control it.

12-02-2020 12:00AM

I am so glad I didn't hear about this in early January or I would have been convinced I had it!

On Dec 23rd I got a sore throat. That was all, just a sore throat. Then on the evening of Christmas day I started coughing. A dry cough. Had that until 30th. Then on new years Eve I felt great. Thought I was all better but on new year's day I woke up wheezing. All of a sudden I had this soreness down in my chest, loads of crackling and wheezing and whatnot. A little shortness of breath. That went on for almost the entirety of January. The worst part was that it completely wiped me out. I was so fatigued all the time. I couldn't do anything. Even though I wasn't sick, no vomiting or anything, I felt so crap I just couldn't do anything. I know from the flu thread on here at the time that I was far from the only one feeling that way.

Without a doubt, I'd have thought I had covid-19, had I been aware of it!

Can see what Gozunda is saying above about people getting the common cold and panic presenting at gps and hospitals and overwhelming the system.

fritzelly · 12-02-2020 12:02AM

These are the latest figures from the offical Hubei government site

There were 11,295 suspected cases, and 6,756 were excluded on the day; 4890 new clinically diagnosed cases and 10,567 existing clinically diagnosed cases were added on the same day; 15,514 suspected and clinically diagnosed cases were concentratedly isolated. A total of 152,251 close contacts have been tracked, and 77,195 people are still undergoing medical observation.

Can anyone explain why they do not match what is being reported elsewhere like BNO?

BanditLuke · 12-02-2020 12:02AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

How do you even know thats from coronavirus.

You shouldn't just drop that into the thread when it could be completely unrelated.

People here are worried enough as it is.

With good cause. Pretending this isn't a massive worry is just bizarre but hey maybe the world health organization are just big drama queens.

BloodBath · 12-02-2020 12:02AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Your post is all over the shop, annual death rate for the flu is .01%.

I’d advise you to do your research before you come in here f-ing and blinding out of yourself.

I'd advise you to read my post again. Where did I f-ing anything? I was talking about hospitalised cases only vs hospitalised corona virus cases. We don't have any idea of how many recovered at home from it.

People are saying 20% death rate on corona virus and 200 times higher death rate than the flu but you have no issue with those completely baseless figures.

Fr_Dougal · 12-02-2020 12:03AM

BloodBath wrote: »

Oh right. I missed that. Regardless the % shouldn't change much when brought worldwide.

I don't see how people are getting 20% figure from coronvirus though.

In what ways? I'd imagine quarantines are mainly precautionary and they do have a large population so even with low deaths rates it could kill millions if no efforts were made to control it.

0.01% for the flu, 2.5% for the Coronavirus.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-02-2020 12:03AM

Is it safe to go to Chinese restaurants? I know one, they shut down for 3 weeks for Chinese New Year, they all went back to China, will be back next week. They'll walk straight back into Ireland and open shop, surely that's dangerous?

tuxy · 12-02-2020 12:03AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Some real head in the sand stuff here tonight.

Which is better, that or the guys that have a direct line to CIA Intel?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CIA say it's China's most advanced bio weapons facility of a far different scale to what you are referencing.

If you want balance you are in the wrong place.

Call Me Jimmy · 12-02-2020 12:05AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Because they know they dropped the ball big time at the start of this and are pulling out all the stops to get it under control to save face and because their economy depends on it. It's not like they're averse to using such extreme methods against their citizens in normal circumstances, this is just an extension of that

But what are they afraid of if more people have the flu, the death rate is low hence they are being dramatic like us here?

They've never quarantined their whole country in their home, no. Even for them that is unprecedented and risky across almost every dimension.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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