new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

fritzelly · 10-02-2020 11:27PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

I've used them for DIY stuff that involves dust. They make a big difference if they fit right. The difference between a cough and phlegm and not. Reuse them a couple of times in that context and still work well. Can be hard to get ones that fit right though.

I have a couple of jobs I cant put off that will need a mask actually.

The dust ones are fine for things like that - not like you're gonna die if a bit gets thru
Some of the 3M ones I think are good for 2 weeks?

Seeing people walk around with surgical masks is hilarious - do they not know air comes in from the sides as well?

fritzelly · 10-02-2020 11:32PM

If you were following this guy

https://cpj.org/2020/02/chinese-video-journalist-chen-qiushi-who-covered-c.php

saabsaab · 10-02-2020 11:34PM

Some were saying that the mask would be more effective when coated with a strong saline solution as salt will kill the virus.

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-02-2020 11:36PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Some were saying that the mask would be more effective when coated with a strong saline solution as salt will kill the virus.

There is a new type of mask that is not on the market yet. It uses salt crystals that kill the virus instead of filtering it. I think it is probably very different to just putting salt water on a normal filtering mask.

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-02-2020 11:39PM

fritzelly wrote: »

The dust ones are fine for things like that - not like you're gonna die if a bit gets thru
Some of the 3M ones I think are good for 2 weeks?

Seeing people walk around with surgical masks is hilarious - do they not know air comes in from the sides as well?

Surgical masks are more to contain your own breath than filter what you inhale. If you are sick wearing one should help you avoid infecting people.

fritzelly · 10-02-2020 11:42PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Surgical masks are more to contain your own breath than filter what you inhale. If you are sick wearing one should help you avoid infecting people.

Yeah that was my point - they are pointless unless you are sick to stop infecting others. All the images coming out of China are showing the standard mask bar the odd person

lolanacho · 10-02-2020 11:45PM

fritzelly wrote: »

If you were following this guy

https://cpj.org/2020/02/chinese-video-journalist-chen-qiushi-who-covered-c.php

It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s found dead “by Coronavirus” and had to be cremated so no chance of an autopsy.

Akrasia · 11-02-2020 12:14AM

fritzelly wrote: »

The dust ones are fine for things like that - not like you're gonna die if a bit gets thru
Some of the 3M ones I think are good for 2 weeks?

Seeing people walk around with surgical masks is hilarious - do they not know air comes in from the sides as well?

It’s not actually hilarious because
A
it might not be perfect but it helps, and
B
it’s not funny that people are scared and clutching at straws... think about that phrase btw

fritzelly · 11-02-2020 12:29AM

Akrasia wrote: »

It’s not actually hilarious because
A
it might not be perfect but it helps, and
B
it’s not funny that people are scared and clutching at straws... think about that phrase btw

Hilarious is the wrong word - ludicrous may be better

Anyway another 5 deaths outside the epicenter in China

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-02-2020 05:04AM

Are you seeing people wearing them in Ireland?
You'd know that they have to wear them in public in China so I think you're talking about somewhere else?

cloudatlas · 11-02-2020 05:06AM

The bit that bothers me is supply lines getting cut off meaning the holiday was extended. If this becomes a pandemic what kind of supply line will uk and Ireland have?

cloudatlas · 11-02-2020 05:31AM

If you were an employee in a supermarket would you like to continue to work with the footfall in the door?

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 06:51AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0211/1114493-coronavirus/

Situation is grave.

khalessi · 11-02-2020 07:13AM

My biggest fear is not being able to.stop kids getting it.

tuxy · 11-02-2020 07:27AM

khalessi wrote: »

My biggest fear is not being able to.stop kids getting it.

If initial reports are correct children's bodies respond far better the virus.

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 07:53AM

We're f*cked

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 07:57AM

According to this - https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

There is no cases in Africa yet, but for sure this is wrong, I can't imagine they will be well equipped to deal with it ...

GooglePlus · 11-02-2020 08:00AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

According to this - https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

There is no cases in Africa yet, but for sure this is wrong, I can't imagine they will be well equipped to deal with it ...

It's definitely in countries within Africa.

China has huge interests in Africa and so there is a lot of back and forth travel.

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 08:04AM

tuxy wrote: »

If initial reports are correct children's bodies respond far better the virus.

This is good to hear, it's the main thing that worries me is my kids getting it, they don't have a clue at school how to protect themselves, I'm not too worried about myself....

VinLieger · 11-02-2020 08:14AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

The bit that bothers me is supply lines getting cut off meaning the holiday was extended. If this becomes a pandemic what kind of supply line will uk and Ireland have?

Ireland is rated as being one of the most food secure nations in the world, we produce 3 to 4 times more food than we need so we can get by if we need to, the UK not so much.

odyssey06 · 11-02-2020 08:17AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Ireland is rated as being one of the most food secure nations in the world, we produce 3 to 4 times more food than we need so we can get by if we need to, the UK not so much.

Let's hope suppliers and supermarkets have stockpiles of packaging leftover from no deal Brexit planning though as getting the stuff onto shelves could be an issue...

marvin80 · 11-02-2020 08:18AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

It seems people are panicking about people panicking without evidence. It's a discussion thread, posting stuff (even some of the bat-**** crazy stuff that I'm not interested in) doesn't equate to panicking. I think we're all roughly of similar intelligence and can use our noggins.

Does the below equate to panicking or is it more hysteria?

BanditLuke wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0211/1114493-coronavirus/

Situation is grave.

Hector Savage wrote: »

We're f*cked

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 08:31AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

60% of Global Pop. could be infected ? ! never expected such alarmist headlines from the Guardian...

RebelButtMunch · 11-02-2020 08:32AM

What's the craic with this 'super spreader'? For all we know the 4 of them in the chalet were kissing the face off each other or playing drinking games from the one glass etc.

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 08:36AM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

What's the craic with this 'super spreader'? For all we know the 4 of them in the chalet were kissing the face off each other or playing drinking games from the one glass etc.

Seems some people shed a lot of the virus, we don't even know what % of people will be superspreaders, we have to assume everyone is .... very worrying, I am thinking of getting haz mat suits for myself and the family ..

tabby aspreme · 11-02-2020 08:37AM

Hyundai and Fiat Chrysler, reducing car production due to difficulty in getting parts from China

givyjoe · 11-02-2020 08:39AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Ireland is rated as being one of the most food secure nations in the world, we produce 3 to 4 times more food than we need so we can get by if we need to, the UK not so much.

Thats the key word though, production will be shut down if we get a repeat of the China situation. Even if food production still takes place, what about the rest of the supply chain? You reckon staff in Lidl and Aldi etc will still be coming into work?

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 08:39AM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Hyundai and Fiat Chrysler, reducing car production due to difficulty in getting parts from China

Well thats a good thing, f*cking cars are a disgrace to the world ..

Wibbs · 11-02-2020 08:43AM

marvin80 wrote: »

Does the below equate to panicking or is it more hysteria?

Problem IMHO is M, we still don't know. Earlier in the thread I referenced a reddit thread where people looked into the maths of the official Chinese figures and found a extremely suspicious regularity to their reported numbers. Essentially they look made up to a mathematical formula.

Me. Earlier. wrote:

Funny enough some are wondering why China's official figures are just a tad too clean... https://twitter.com/Charlie_Box/status/1226203341086175233

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/ez13dv/oc_quadratic_coronavirus_epidemic_growth_model

As one chap notes:

Reddit guy wrote:

If I'm right, this near perfect "Chinese Propaganda" quadratic model will provide the world press and the WHO with the following numbers over the next few days:
05/02/2020 23435 cases 489 fatalities
06/02/2020 26885 cases 561 fatalities
07/02/2020 30576 cases 639 fatalities
08/02/2020 34506 cases 721 fatalities
09/02/2020 38675 cases 808 fatalities
10/02/2020 43084 cases 900 fatalities
11/02/2020 47733 cases 997 fatalities
Quite sad, considering all the commendations for transparency bestowed upon China by the WHO!

With each day his predictions are holding based on the Chinese "statistics". They're not even bothering to add some variability.

And if you look at the doctor's video above where he references the official figures for yesterday, sure enough on the 10/2/20 lo and behold they show 909 deaths. What are the odds that today's figures will be 1000....

Whatever about the above, this is the scary part. We simply can't trust the Chinese authorities. Openness and transparency is not in their philosophical and cultural tool kit. Fudging figures, saving their arse on a local and party level and enforced social compliance is.

This goes double if this turns out to be China's "Chernobyl". Look how the Soviets initially dealt with that disaster and how long it took for them to admit how truly bloody awful a disaster it was(and remains). Even today their "official" figures for causalities is tiny and at odds with every outside and even internal figures. And this could well be China's "Chernobyl", the event that rocks their very foundation. Only this could be much much worse for the wider world than even that disaster.

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 08:45AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Problem IMHO is M, we still don't know. Earlier in the thread I referenced a reddit thread where people looked into the maths of the official Chinese figures and found a extremely suspicious regularity to their reported numbers. Essentially they look made up to a mathematical formula.

And if you look at the doctor's video above where he references the official figures for yesterday, sure enough on the 10/2/20 lo and behold they show 909 deaths. What are the odds that today's figures will be 1000....

Whatever about the above, this is the scary part. We simply can't trust the Chinese authorities. Openness and transparency is not in their philosophical and cultural tool kit. Fudging figures, saving their arse on a local and party level and enforced social compliance is.

This goes double if this turns out to be China's "Chernobyl". Look how the Soviets initially dealt with that disaster and how long it took for them to admit how truly bloody awful a disaster it was(and remains). Even today their "official" figures for causalities is tiny and at odds with every outside and even internal figures. And this could well be China's "Chernobyl", the event that rocks their very foundation. Only this could be much much worse for the wider world than even that disaster.

OK now I'm panicking, when Wibbs is worried you know sh*ts getting real!!

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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