new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Mr.Wemmick · 10-02-2020 05:01PM

khalessi wrote: »

For handwashing use the Ayliffe Technique,its what they teach med staff, does front and back of hands, thumbs, between fingers, repeat a couple of times.

People often forget to wash their thumbs properly. It is usually where the germs are found.

tuxy · 10-02-2020 05:04PM

I also forgot about all the ozone created by that process, could that kill passengers? It would at least make many very ill

I know,miles off topic(sorry)

Panrich · 10-02-2020 05:06PM

tuxy wrote: »

I also forgot about all the ozone created by that process, could that kill passengers? It would at least make many very ill

I know,miles off topic(sorry)

At least they’d be virus free though.

tuxy · 10-02-2020 05:07PM

Panrich wrote: »

At least they’d be virus free though.

I shouldn't be giving the CPC ideas.

notobtuse · 10-02-2020 05:08PM

A student attending a college just down the road from where I work has been taken to a hospital with suspicions of coronavirus, due to symptoms exhibited, after she returned from a trip to China. Students and people here are not worried even though she might have interacted with hundreds of people at the large local grocery store the students frequent. The government is doing a good propaganda job of making sure the attitude is the virus is not something to worry about.

4068ac1elhodqr · 10-02-2020 05:23PM

You'd be suspicious of the WHO, saying not to avail of (5-10secs) UV light in hand dryers
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters
'Skin irritation' from a very quick blast of low wattage UV light?

Most theories and studies show that even low-power (LED) UV-C may be 'useful' in lowering the presence of any virus.

Even after someone discovered salt infused N95's will kill the virus on contact,
they'd still have to wait 18mths for patent processing before actual sales and release.

Guessing BGates(vax) has too much money already invested for any other (cheap or free) non-trademarked 'novel' solution(s).
Get ready for the jab(s) at end of the year, beware of the side-effects.

ThePopehimself · 10-02-2020 05:26PM

notobtuse wrote: »

A student attending a college just down the road from where I work has been taken to a hospital with suspicions of coronavirus, due to symptoms exhibited, after she returned from a trip to China. Students and people here are not worried even though she might have interacted with hundreds of people at the large local grocery store the students frequent. The government is doing a good propaganda job of making sure the attitude is the virus is not something to worry about.

What county are you in, if it's okay to ask? If you are not comfortable answering, that's okay.

notobtuse · 10-02-2020 05:29PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

What county are you in, if it's okay to ask? If you are not comfortable answering, that's okay.

On the east coast of USA. Right on the border of New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

ThePopehimself · 10-02-2020 05:37PM

notobtuse wrote: »

On the east coast of USA. Right on the border of New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Oh! I had just assumed you were in Ireland, but thank you for the reply.

I hope the student gets a negative test result.

Scrabbles38 · 10-02-2020 05:41PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Ok, for the 2% to become even lower the assumption to make is for more people to get infected and no one out of the total currently infected are going to die. That's the most unrealistic scenario

For the 20% to become a more accurate stat we would need to analyses a specific sample of people who all got infected at the same time and have now either died or survived, This % may or may not be lower than 20%

We don’t know how many people are at home in China with mild symptoms that won’t get tested... or have been tested and are not in hospital... China’s figures are **** ... but that’s how it could be lower...

Only be watching what happens outside China will we know... and at the moment it’s not 20% .

Mic 1972 · 10-02-2020 05:47PM

Scrabbles38 wrote: »

We don’t know how many people are at home in China with mild symptoms that won’t get tested... or have been tested and are not in hospital... China’s figures are **** ... but that’s how it could be lower...

Only be watching what happens outside China will we know... and at the moment it’s not 20% .

20% is the rate of death out of total Death+Recovery, this is the best estimate you can get with the current avaialbe data, which is released daily and is shared by WHO

As for cases outside China, at the moment theree are 3 cases in italy. The most recent one is still mild, while the other 2 have been in intensive care for the last 2 weeks, they both had mild syntoms when they were initially detected

ceadaoin. · 10-02-2020 05:47PM

It's strange that US confirmed cases have remained at 12 for ages now. The only further infections to be confirmed have been spouses of those diagnosed. This has not been the case in germany and the UK where infections outside of family units have occurred. Is this a result of the travel restrictions and screening?

saabsaab · 10-02-2020 05:59PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's strange that US confirmed cases have remained at 12 for ages now. The only further infections to be confirmed have been spouses of those diagnosed. This has not been the case in germany and the UK where infections outside of family units have occurred. Is this a result of the travel restrictions and screening?

It might well be. It really seems to be the only way to control it, in cities it becomes hard to stop. It could also be that the US don't want to panic the population.

MD1990 · 10-02-2020 06:02PM

notobtuse wrote: »

A student attending a college just down the road from where I work has been taken to a hospital with suspicions of coronavirus, due to symptoms exhibited, after she returned from a trip to China. Students and people here are not worried even though she might have interacted with hundreds of people at the large local grocery store the students frequent. The government is doing a good propaganda job of making sure the attitude is the virus is not something to worry about.

Someone returning from China should be quarantined for a few weeks after returning even if they show no symtoms at the time of returning

ceadaoin. · 10-02-2020 06:02PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It might well be. It really seems to be the only way to control it, in cities it becomes hard to stop. It could also be that the US don't want to panic the population.

Logically, chances are it is spreading but going unnoticed as people just think they have a cold or the flu. The only people being tested right now are those with a travel history to china or those who have had direct contact with a confirmed case.

saabsaab · 10-02-2020 06:09PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Logically, chances are it is spreading but going unnoticed as people just think they have a cold or the flu. The only people being tested right now are those with a travel history to china or those who have had direct contact with a confirmed case.

Unfortunately, this could well be the case.

notobtuse · 10-02-2020 06:12PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Someone returning from China should be quarantined for a few weeks after returning even if they show no symtoms at the time of returning

Perhaps it will come to that, but right now in the US it would be considered a radical move. The student participated in health screenings when the students returned from China to the campus. She was sent to a hospital by the college to be tested for coronavirus after a respiratory virus was detected. The college's director of health services made the decision to admit the student to the hospital after consulting with the Pennsylvania Department of Health and the Chief of Epidemiology and Infection Control at the large hospital.

Mic 1972 · 10-02-2020 06:13PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It might well be. It really seems to be the only way to control it, in cities it becomes hard to stop. It could also be that the US don't want to panic the population.

it also takes a while for the infection to pick up speed.
China had 50 cases in Dec, 6,000 in Jan, 40,000 in Feb
Europe had around 5 cases in Jan, it took 1 month to get to 50, from now it will move a lot faster
US is only now at 12

ardinn · 10-02-2020 06:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eTzv2_6xLI

Scrabbles38 · 10-02-2020 06:22PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

20% is the rate of death out of total Death+Recovery, this is the best estimate you can get with the current avaialbe data, which is released daily and is shared by WHO

As for cases outside China, at the moment theree are 3 cases in italy. The most recent one is still mild, while the other 2 have been in intensive care for the last 2 weeks, they both had mild syntoms when they were initially detected

I know where and how you got that estimate...
But that’s not how you get a mortally rate....

Outside of China I’m talking about the 300+ confirmed...
2 deaths .... not 3 and ones you can’t use in your metho

drunkmonkey · 10-02-2020 06:41PM

The Death Rate Is Up To 5%": The Harrowing Admission Of A Wuhan Doctor
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/death-rate-5-harrowing-admission-wuhan-doctor

Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai and Chongqing have all been placed under strict quarantine

Coronavirus latest: WHO warns of ‘concerning’ transmissions in Europe

wakka12 · 10-02-2020 06:46PM

I think 'the death rate is 5%' is a bit of a misleading headline. It is not 5% everywhere and certainly not outside of China, but it does demonstrate how bad this pandemic could get if the healthcare infrastructure of other cities and countries was as overwhelmed as it is in Wuhan and several other cities currently. And it is a real possibility given how quickly the virus spreads. Outside of China there are 260 cases (excluding the 130 just diagnosed yesterday on the boat in Japan and symptoms have only just begun to appear) and a dozen are in a critical state and one death. That is nearly a 5% severe complication rate and is still very significant, this sample of people are getting the best care possible.

igCorcaigh · 10-02-2020 06:46PM

What to make of this??

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=19

bodhrandude · 10-02-2020 06:50PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What to make of this??

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=19

I think that was discussed yesterday you might need to go back a few pages.

BanditLuke · 10-02-2020 06:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Death Rate Is Up To 5%": The Harrowing Admission Of A Wuhan Doctor
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/death-rate-5-harrowing-admission-wuhan-doctor

Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai and Chongqing have all been placed under strict quarantine

Coronavirus latest: WHO warns of ‘concerning’ transmissions in Europe

If that 5% stat is accurate we are in big trouble in this country. Our health care system will collapse completely if it takes hold here.

odyssey06 · 10-02-2020 06:54PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

If that 5% stat is accurate we are in big trouble in this country. Our health care system will collapse completely if it takes hold here.

Yes. The severity of this is related to the number of people infected. If that 5% of the infected who get complications is more than the capacity of the hospitals to treat them.
This isn't a linear progression... the mortality rate could spike \ go off a cliff.
In Wuhan it looks like it has been overwhelmed.

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-02-2020 06:55PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What to make of this??

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=19

https://www.windy.com/-Weather-radar-radar?radar,25.721,117.358,5

That querystring looks too short to communicate the filters. If you turn off everything except sulphur dioxide you see a fairly even distribution across all those major cities.

igCorcaigh · 10-02-2020 06:55PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes. The severity of this is related to the number of people infected. If that 5% of the infected who get complications is more than the capacity of the hospitals to treat the complications.
This isn't a liner progression... the mortality rate could speak \ go off a cliff.
In Wuhan it looks like it has been overwhelmed.

I think serious cases (requiring hospital treatment) is at 18%

saabsaab · 10-02-2020 06:57PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes. The severity of this is related to the number of people infected. If that 5% of the infected who get complications is more than the capacity of the hospitals to treat them.
This isn't a liner progression... the mortality rate could speak \ go off a cliff.
In Wuhan it looks like it has been overwhelmed.

Any system would be overwhelmed. Only real defense is to keep out those from affected areas..

BorneTobyWilde · 10-02-2020 06:57PM

Lots of buildings on fire there is seems, reports on twitter say they weld the doors shut and then set apartment blocks on fire to kill the effected within.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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