new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

VinLieger · 08-02-2020 12:07PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh I had heard that certainly but I've also been hearing from WHO how open and honest the Chinese governemnt were being in this epidemic and you would think that would mean updating their classification system to give accurate results for the world

The WHO have to suck up to them to get just the useless info we are currently seeing, if they came out tomorrow and said plainly how flawed chinas approach was then all cooperation would stop and the world would be worse off, its a catch 22

08-02-2020 12:09PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Klaz, are you one of those sexpats?

Hardly. I came for work initially... although I do love Asian women. If I wanted to be a sexpat, there are much easier/better places. Thailand, Vietnam, or S.Korea. China has changed in the last decade... it's not as welcoming to foreigners anymore.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

His ID/Resident card would tell you his grade, or he works illegally which would also tell you. That means they do jobs with employers who don't see their worth being of the level that it is worth paying for a visa.

My grade is related to my visa, which is connected to my qualifications and time spent in China. It has nothing to do with their perception of me as a foreigner, or sexpat.

I've seen my file at the PSB. My girlfriend is a PSB officer. :pac::pac::pac:

Sometimes, I really wonder at the crap (or exaggerations) people make up about China.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:10PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Yikes for someone who does not like stereotyping you are a dab hand at it. One of my children and several good friends have worked for years in China and brighter better people you could not meet. I hope they have not been assigned your special stars, I mean cards...

I did not say all. I find the younger crowd better as they want to travel and thats good.

When you meet them older then you question why. I recall a conversation with an english chap, pony tail, weird looking. Claimed he was a headmaster in a high school in the UK and decided at 48 to quit to work in China. Said he wanted a new challange. Was earning about 800 euro a month in his main job there and was doing two other jobs to keep going. I remember thinking, who leaves a secure and successful career in teaching to do this, the job security, the pension, to be illegal in China. I presumed like many he was pushed not looking for a new challange and going by his behaviour, his crew with him, and his regular jaunts to Vietnam, I suspect he was no angel.

I recall myself and my colleague, who was there on a trade jaunt, were delighted to leave their company two beers later. Weirdos. Plenty of them over there long term.

08-02-2020 12:12PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

and his regular jaunts to Vietnam, I suspect he was no angel.

lol

sdanseo · 08-02-2020 12:13PM

wakka12 wrote: »

So its official, China is not being truthful about the number killed by the virus. Japan's foreign ministry claim a Japanese citizen is likely to have died of coronavirus in a Wuhan hospital but had his cause of death listed as 'viral pneumonia'

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Japanese media said the local hospital told the embassy that his initial test result was "high possibility to be positive", but he didn't have the chance to do a second test to confirm it because of "difficulties".
https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASN284G0BN28UTFK007.html

Really puts into perspective how much larger this issue may be than it seems now, and might justify all the insane actions being taken over there. Just a few hundred people in ALL of China are listed as being killed from seasonal flu in an entire year when the actual number is many tens of thousands

VinLieger wrote: »

This has been well documented for weeks, the chinese classification system for deaths is incredibly flawed, they only list one of the conditions instead of like every country in the world which lists everything that lead to the death.

Its for this reason china with a population of 1.3 billion officially had less than 200 flu related deaths last year.... the US had 61000

Not to mention the 4 million people who die every year of pneumonia and the 450 million who contract it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61459-6/fulltext

08-02-2020 12:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

lol

Dunno what you’re laughing at, Sexpat!

:P

Akrasia · 08-02-2020 12:17PM

goat2 wrote: »

I hope it is the case,
according to the news last night, nobody entring the country is being tested for fever like they are doing in other countries,
the sooner we get a good old blast of frost the better for Europe, it kills all germs in the air and surfaces outside

Bacteria and viruses can easily survive a bit of frost. Freezing them merely makes them go dormant temporarily

It’s why putting food in your freezer does not sterilize it, to sterilize you need either chemical agents, high temperatures or things like UV or Gama radiation

08-02-2020 12:22PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I recall myself and my colleague, who was there on a trade jaunt, were delighted to leave their company two beers later. Weirdos. Plenty of them over there long term.

I left a position earning 149k Aussie dollars to become a teacher in China. :rolleyes: I earn roughly 800 euro from my university position a month. Free accommodation and no bills.

I also work 14-16 hours a week. Yup. I negotiated all my classes to be held over two days, so I work just two days a week. I do, of course, do extra work or classes because I like my students but those activities are my choice, and I also get overtime for doing those. I could make more money teaching outside my university (and I could do it legally too), but It's not really worth it to me.

And what else do I do? I do consultancy. I'm an adviser to two companies in Xi'an, and act as a presenter/negotiator when they're dealing with foreign companies. I also write. I'm on my third book. In addition to that, I write articles for three business magazines online.

I have a house in Ireland, and manage to pay my mortgage quite easily. Hint. My mortgage is higher than my university salary. I also manage to send money home to my parents and sister.

You have a rather limited and naive view of China.. and more importantly of teachers in China. Sure, there are weirdos... Expats tend to be those who don't fit in at home... but the weirdo's tend to go to poorer countries since they're more desperate.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I left a position earning 149k Aussie dollars to become a teacher in China. :rolleyes: I earn roughly 800 euro from my university position a month. Free accommodation and no bills.

I also work 14-16 hours a week. Yup. I negotiated all my classes to be held over two days, so I work just two days a week. I do, of course, do extra work or classes because I like my students but those activities are my choice, and I also get overtime for doing those. I could make more money teaching outside my university (and I could do it legally too), but It's not really worth it to me.

And what else do I do? I do consultancy. I'm an adviser to two companies in Xi'an, and act as a presenter/negotiator when they're dealing with foreign companies. I also write. I'm on my third book. In addition to that, I write articles for three business magazines online.

I have a house in Ireland, and manage to pay my mortgage quite easily. Hint. My mortgage is higher than my university salary. I also manage to send money home to my parents and sister.

You have a rather limited and naive view of China.. and more importantly of teachers in China. Sure, there are weirdos... Expats tend to be those who don't fit in at home... but the weirdo's tend to go to poorer countries since they're more desperate.

Jeysus, that's 3/4 posts now. Seems to have rattled your cage, Calm down.

Now try and say something postive about the huge self sacrifice being made by these medical professionals in Wuhan, and concentrate on the issue at hand instead of your previous anti china rants that are not relevant and I won't mention the sexpat phenomenon in China again.

Still don't get how anyone could live in a place they hate so much.

Oranage2 · 08-02-2020 12:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I left a position earning 149k Aussie dollars to become a teacher in China. :rolleyes: I earn roughly 800 euro from my university position a month. Free accommodation and no bills.

I also work 14-16 hours a week. Yup. I negotiated all my classes to be held over two days, so I work just two days a week. I do, of course, do extra work or classes because I like my students but those activities are my choice, and I also get overtime for doing those. I could make more money teaching outside my university (and I could do it legally too), but It's not really worth it to me.

And what else do I do? I do consultancy. I'm an adviser to two companies in Xi'an, and act as a presenter/negotiator when they're dealing with foreign companies. I also write. I'm on my third book. In addition to that, I write articles for three business magazines online.

I have a house in Ireland, and manage to pay my mortgage quite easily. Hint. My mortgage is higher than my university salary. I also manage to send money home to my parents and sister.

You have a rather limited and naive view of China.. and more importantly of teachers in China. Sure, there are weirdos... Expats tend to be those who don't fit in at home... but the weirdo's tend to go to poorer countries since they're more desperate.

800 a month? You need a better contract!

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:38PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

800 a month? You need a better contract!

don't poke him, he rests.

08-02-2020 12:41PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

don't poke him, he rests.

He does, as do I. Because of this virus closing where we work. Which is actually the topic of the thread.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He does, as do I. Because of this virus closing where we work. Which is actually the topic of the thread.

Correct, which is the point I was trying to make. I genuinely feel to the people out there.

Now if you are based there can you advise if you are getting deliverys. I posted some masks and other supplies to some people via An Post on wednesday and if successful I have much more to send. Are they getting through?

I note now all the medical suppliers in Ireland sold out but I manaaged to get 1700 the week before last.

VinLieger · 08-02-2020 12:44PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Correct, which is the point I was trying to make. I genuinely feel to the people out there.

Now if you are based there can you advise if you are getting deliverys. I posted some masks and other supplies to some people via An Post on wednesday and if successful I have much more to send. Are they getting through?

I note now all the medical suppliers in Ireland sold out but I manaaged to get 1700 the week before last.

An post stopped Post to china yesterday due to lack of flights going there

Scrabbles38 · 08-02-2020 12:45PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Nothing that comes out of China can be taken at face value

Very true... you need to look at what is happening outside of China... the mortally rate will be the same for this virus no matter what county it is in... so if it’s 2% , 4%, even 10% we should be seeing it out side of China ... which we are not ... which leads me to believe it’s lower than 2%...

Plus in the USA so far this flu season 19million people have cought it ...180000 have been hospitalised.... and 10000 have died... I know they are different virus... but people need to cram down and take a breath

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:46PM

VinLieger wrote: »

An post stopped Post to china yesterday

Ok, sh:*

I sent out 300 on Wednesday, hopefully that will get through. I look like a prepper now with a big box on the dining table.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:47PM

Scrabbles38 wrote: »

Very true... you need to look at what is happening outside of China... the mortally rate will be the same for this virus no matter what county it is in... so if it’s 2% , 4%, even 10% we should be seeing it out side of China ... which we are not ... which leads me to believe it’s lower than 2%...

Plus in the USA so far this flu season 19million people have cought it ...180000 have been hospitalised.... and 10000 have died... I know they are different virus... but people need to cram down and take a breath

I don't think so. Hosptials in China are overloaded. A case outside can have more focus and attention I would presume.

creditcarder · 08-02-2020 12:47PM

Panrich wrote: »

You’d imagine that corralling sick people in close proximity to each other will increase the severity of each case as well thereby making the outcome worse for these individuals.

I actually commented on this some time ago. It's sometimes easier to allow them to die rather than infect such a huge population

gozunda · 08-02-2020 12:47PM

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Causing a panic is reckless and dangerous.

Stop assuming that the Chinese are idiots and are evil. Start acting in good faith.

50 Cent Party?

08-02-2020 12:47PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Correct, which is the point I was trying to make. I genuinely feel to the people out there.

Now if you are based there can you advise if you are getting deliverys. I posted some masks and other supplies to some people via An Post on wednesday and if successful I have much more to send. Are they getting through?

I note now all the medical suppliers in Ireland sold out but I manaaged to get 1700 the week before last.

I've no idea as I don't get much post. But life here feels exactly like it did a few weeks ago except with schools off.

Good work getting masks.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 12:49PM

gozunda wrote: »

50 Cent Party?

You must think China is very cheap if you think 50 cents means much. I suspect their is hundreds of millions of Chinese who could buy and sell you in the morning.

ThePopehimself · 08-02-2020 12:51PM

Does anybody have any update on the three suspected cases that presented at UHL yesterday?

creditcarder · 08-02-2020 12:54PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Ireland has gone into full on anti Chinese mode the last week or so, I have picked up on comments from a few quarters that really surprised me and wouldn't be the normal things they would so. I don't plan to join in on this mad rush to jump on this distasteful bandwagon.

I also noticed that nobody wants to discuss the humanitarian situation, the monumential efforts nomal folk on the ground like medical workers are making and just want to spend 95% of the time going over old ground about the communist party, human rights and animal rights. It's as if they are now enjoying the suffering of the innocnet people on the ground do to their strong views of other issues related to China. I was ear shot of one eejit who turned a table full of people worried about the virus into them all listening to his rant on Huawei 5G and how he thinks China wants world domination. Thankfully we had a few who were as gobsmacked as I was and was rolling their eyes when he talked.

There seems to be a disconnect with people when it comes to issues in China to other countires including the previous earthquakes, it brings out a real messed up side in people.

Personally I hope they get on top of it ASAP, there is videos of people in protective suits arriving at homes where a couple of generations of one family are not alive.

It

It is a disturbing show of group thinks me think

08-02-2020 12:54PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Jeysus, that's 3/4 posts now. Seems to have rattled your cage, Calm down.

<snip>

Still don't get how anyone could live in a place they hate so much.

I posted because I don't like misrepresentation and people talking BS about China. I love my time in China. It's a fantastic country to study/observe human behavior, and the Chinese themselves are a wonderful people (in general). It's a great country to teach the subtleties of human interaction because the culture is so different from Western societies.. on the surface, not so much, but below the surface, yes.

Now try and say something postive about the huge self sacrifice being made by these medical professionals in Wuhan, and concentrate on the issue at hand instead of your previous anti china rants that are not relevant and I won't mention the sexpat phenomenon in China again.

Nothing I posted was an anti-China rant. I'm probably one of the most pro-China posters on boards... :pac: but then, I'm more realistic/practical about China, since I've lived here extensively.

creditcarder · 08-02-2020 12:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It can last 28 days in some conditions in the research linked. It's also why it'll spread in hot countries...air conditioning will really help

Take that with a grain of salt :P

gozunda · 08-02-2020 12:56PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You must think China is very cheap if you think 50 cents means much. I suspect their is hundreds of millions of Chinese who could buy and sell you in the morning.

I'm sure you think they would

Tbh I presumed the comment was an attempt at parody. Along the line of the stuff engaged in by what us known as the "50 cent party"

The Chinese government doesn't just censor its internet. It also pays people to leave fake comments that make the country and its communist regime look good.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-50-cent-party-2014-10

Also

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

08-02-2020 12:58PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

800 a month? You need a better contract!

Anyone who works as a lecturer/teacher in China for the money is fooling themselves. I work university for the security of my visa, the access it gives me to the Party, and the sheer amount of free time available to me. When I want money, I do other things.

If I really cared about money, I'd be back doing business consultancy in China... but dealing with Chinese companies and their idiotic assumptions is too painful.

creditcarder · 08-02-2020 12:58PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Klaz, are you one of those sexpats?

Nobody ever calls a woman who goes to spain a sexpat tbh :P

creditcarder · 08-02-2020 01:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexpats? Hardly. That's mostly the students... but sure, guys come to live in China because they like Chinese women. I did... but your idea of sexpats is more of a thing in Thailand or Japan.

You know most of the foreign students out of Japan to western countries are women? :P And the higest concentration of female expats is in Ireland, Britian, France and PAris...fancy that

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 01:00PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Nobody ever calls a woman who goes to spain a sexpat tbh :P

But I can name a few others countries where you could call them sexpats

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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