Woman raped while sleeping awarded €1m in damages

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Calling this rape makes a mockery of actual RAPE..

It’s non-consensual sex. How is that not rape?

10pennymixup · 07-02-2020 01:20AM

Proved in a court of law, good enough for me.

Fair play to her.

Fcuk him.

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Calling this rape makes a mockery of actual RAPE..

Again, not a huge fan of the term “rape culture” but when men dismiss a rape in this offhand way because it doesn’t fit what rape means in their head, that suggests a problem with the lense through which our culture views rape.

You’re not defending “real victims” CQD, and I’m disappointed to see you express this view.

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:28AM

sugarman wrote: »

How do you know the gender of anonymous posters?

Okay, replace the word men with people.

Care to address the point I’m making?

greencap · 07-02-2020 01:30AM

Mezcita wrote: »

Jesus wept. The girl later tried to kill herself over the whole thing. So the suggestion that it's annoying is f.ucking stupid. Nearly as stupid as suggesting that she would be happy for it to be made into a movie. If this happened to your mother or sister you would be singing a very different tune.

Im just commenting on the very amateurish, very small scale media circus attempt.

I'm 85% sure that it is what it appears to be.
But in a world of generated controversy part of me wouldn't be surprised if it was a pair of book deal seeking nutters. So that's the 15%.

And im 100% absolutely certain that the main beneficiaries of the whole "affair" are our greasy, stuck for a story, journalists.
And some soapbox third wave, blue hair feminists, who will be using this as waffle ammunition for an age.

The verdict... don't care really, double it, and give him a cell.

Raconteuse · 07-02-2020 01:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Calling this rape makes a mockery of actual RAPE..

Not according to the prosecution and jury.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:32AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Assuming you’re a guy. If you were one of the victims of Sinaga the Manchester rapist would you seek justice, I mean you were just passed out when you were anally raped so not traumatised just woke disorientated in a kindly mans flat feeling sore. So em just asking an innocent question here you understand but if you didn’t experience psychological problems after what’s the harm right? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/europe/reynhard-sinaga-rape.amp.html

A better comparison would be if a man had an ex gf (who he lived with) one night plied him with drugs & alcohol, hopped up on him or digitised him and then sent him an email telling him what she did.

The whole thing seems utterly bizarre, am I the only one who thinks this story seems a little odd?

nolottoyet · 07-02-2020 01:32AM

Who pays the 1m?

greencap · 07-02-2020 01:33AM

Mezcita wrote: »

Jesus wept. The girl later tried to kill herself over the whole thing. So the suggestion that it's annoying is f.ucking stupid. Nearly as stupid as suggesting that she would be happy for it to be made into a movie. If this happened to your mother or sister you would be singing a very different tune.

Ok then there's no difference.
Being in an active relationship with someone. And being a guest in someone's home for the night are the same thing.

No really. They are.

retro:electro · 07-02-2020 01:33AM

This thread can’t be real. He literally admitted to raping her!

Some posters on this thread:

“na that be right”

But he admitted it.

“Sometimes people admit to things they didn’t do. Is there any proof?”

Yeah, he admitted it.

“Wow its just so mysterious”

07-02-2020 01:33AM

KiKi III wrote: »

Again, not a huge fan of the term “rape culture” but when men dismiss a rape in this offhand way because it doesn’t fit what rape means in their head, that suggests a problem with the lense through which our culture views rape.

You’re not defending “real victims” CQD, and I’m disappointed to see you express this view.

Like, really.. rape is like really the worst kind of crime..to equate it with this, in a presumably loving relationship, really I think it kind of looks like some feminist publicity stunt..get the likes of Louise o Neill fired up.. yeah, the whole consent thing has become such a big deal, but like, what you are saying is that this is of the same magnitude as a violent sexual assault, from which many women never recover..I think you're doing a lot of people a disservice..

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:35AM

greencap wrote: »

Ok then there's no difference.
Being in an active relationship with someone. And being a guest in someone's home for the night are the same thing.

No really. They are.

How hard is it to understand that any time you put your dick in someone you need their consent?

This applies regardless of whether they’re a gf/ wife/ houseguest/ bdsm playmate or whatever you’re having yourself.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:36AM

KiKi III wrote: »

I am not a fan of the term “rape culture” - I don’t think it’s generally a helpful way of describing how rape is understood in society.

But when a man has admitted to rape in detail in an email to his victim and then pleaded guilty in court to the same crime, but men here are still somehow trying to claim he’s probably isn’t, I can’t think of a better term to describe it.

"I'm not a fan of the term rape culture but I'm going to use it anyway because it gets me internet points"

In what world does this accurately describe what a culture of rape is?

KiKi III wrote: »

But when a man has admitted to rape in detail in an email to his victim and then pleaded guilty in court to the same crime, but men here are still somehow trying to claim he’s probably isn’t, I can’t think of a better term to describe it.

greencap · 07-02-2020 01:37AM

KiKi III wrote: »

How hard is it to understand that any time you put your dick in someone you need their consent?

This applies regardless of whether they’re a gf/ wife/ houseguest/ bdsm playmate or whatever you’re having yourself.

What? Really?

Jaysus. That's mad.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Like, really.. rape is like really the worst kind of crime..to equate it with this, in a presumably loving relationship, really I think it kind of looks like some feminist publicity stunt..get the likes of Louise o Neill fired up.. yeah, the whole consent thing has become such a big deal, but like, what you are saying is that this is of the same magnitude as a violent sexual assault, from which many women never recover..I think you're doing a lot of people a disservice..

I think the woman in this case was an feminist activist and the bf was a male feminist. Not joking.

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Like, really.. rape is like really the worst kind of crime..to equate it with this, in a presumably loving relationship, really I think it kind of looks like some feminist publicity stunt..get the likes of Louise o Neill fired up.. yeah, the whole consent thing has become such a big deal, but like, what you are saying is that this is of the same magnitude as a violent sexual assault, from which many women never recover..I think you're doing a lot of people a disservice..

Listen, stealing €1,000 and stealing €10m are both stealing even if one is a lot more serious than the other.

Punching someone once and punching someone 10 times are both assault even if one is more serious than the other.

And raping someone as they sleep and raping someone violently in an alley are both rape even if one is more serious than the other.

Attitudes like yours are the reason marital rape wasn’t even considered a crime until a few decades ago.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:42AM

retro:electro wrote: »

This thread can’t be real. He literally admitted to raping her!

Some posters on this thread:

“na that be right”

But he admitted it.

“Sometimes people admit to things they didn’t do. Is there any proof?”

Yeah, he admitted it.

“Wow its just so mysterious”

So nobody has ever admitted to a crime they didn't commit? Funny that considering some of the posters on here were all over Making a Murderer and how Brendan Dassey's confession shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt. But that's beside the point. How can someone be so traumatised by something they slept through.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:47AM

KiKi III wrote: »

Listen, stealing €1,000 and stealing €10m are both stealing even if one is a lot more serious than the other.

Punching someone once and punching someone 10 times are both assault even if one is more serious than the other.

And raping someone as they sleep and raping someone violently in an alley are both rape even if one is more serious than the other.

Attitudes like yours are the reason marital rape wasn’t even considered a crime until a few decades ago.

So you agree that there a different degrees of rape, similar to murder, manslaughter etc?

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:47AM

Kenley Rancid Stretcher wrote: »

So nobody has ever admitted to a crime they didn't commit? Funny that considering some of the posters on here were all over Making a Murderer and how Brendan Dassey's confession shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt. But that's beside the point. How can someone be so traumatised by something they slept through.

The thought of my body being used as I sleep by someone I trust and in what should be the safest place in the world, my own bed, is pretty traumatising to me.

I can imagine it would be hard to get to sleep after that, and very difficult to trust someone enough to share a bed with them.

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:48AM

Kenley Rancid Stretcher wrote: »

So you agree that there a different degrees of rape, similar to murder, manslaughter etc?

I literally just said that.

Both are rape, one should carry a longer sentence.

retro:electro · 07-02-2020 01:48AM

Kenley Rancid Stretcher wrote: »

So nobody has ever admitted to a crime they didn't commit? Funny that considering some of the posters on here were all over Making a Murderer and how Brendan Dassey's confession shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt. But that's beside the point. How can someone be so traumatised by something they slept through.

Brendan Dassey was an intellectually stunted teenager who was coerced into making a statement without a lawyer. This guy, as far as I’m aware, is firing on all cylinders and admitted to rape in an email of his own free will. He also pleaded guilty. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to force but it’s a weak one. Why are you tying yourself in knots trying to defend someone who didn’t even defend themselves? Kind of sick.

Raconteuse · 07-02-2020 01:48AM

Kenley Rancid Stretcher wrote: »

So nobody has ever admitted to a crime they didn't commit? Funny that considering some of the posters on here were all over Making a Murderer and how Brendan Dassey's confession shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt.

Bet they aren't the same people at all.

07-02-2020 01:51AM

KiKi III wrote: »

Listen, stealing €1,000 and stealing €10m are both stealing even if one is a lot more serious than the other.

Punching someone once and punching someone 10 times are both assault even if one is more serious than the other.

And raping someone as they sleep and raping someone violently in an alley are both rape even if one is more serious than the other.

Attitudes like yours are the reason marital rape wasn’t even considered a crime until a few decades ago.

Look.. we'll have to agree to differ.. but I would argue that this is another area where the whole PC feminist thing is being pushed a bit too far.. and that's fine, but I think that at some stage there will be a reaction where people go "dya know what, **** 'em.." and the laws of human decency won't be there when they reject the PC dogma..I think it's kind of what we've seen happen with Trump and brexit.. the same thing could (may be already) happen in this area.. it's just..I dunno.. like..I hope to God I'm wrong, but the relationship between the sexes is probably not something that you want breaking down, and the likes of this moves things further in that direction I think..I'm probably not expressing this coherently,..

Raconteuse · 07-02-2020 01:54AM

Ah Jesus, the verdict is due to pc feminism?

v638sg7k1a92bx · 07-02-2020 01:54AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Brendan Dassey was an intellectually stunted teenager who was coerced into making a statement without a lawyer. This guy, as far as I’m aware, is firing on all cylinders and admitted to rape in an email of his own free will. He also pleaded guilty. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to force but it’s a weak one. Why are you tying yourself in knots trying to defend someone who didn’t even defend themselves? Kind of sick.

and this was a couple who were living together, sharing a bed and presumably in a sexual relationship. The only reason she knows about it is because he told her and now she's traumatised and suicidal over something that she didn't know happened to her in the first place. What if he turned around and said "only joking that email was all BS I just f***ing with everyone.

If a woman hopped up on her husband while he was sleeping would this be considered rape, do you think he would be so traumatised that he would attempt suicide?

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 01:55AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Look.. we'll have to agree to differ.. but I would argue that this is another area where the whole PC feminist thing is being pushed a bit too far.. and that's fine, but I think that at some stage there will be a reaction where people go "dya know what, **** 'em.." and the laws of human decency won't be there when they reject the PC dogma..I think it's kind of what we've seen happen with Trump and brexit.. the same thing could (may be already) happen in this area.. it's just..I dunno.. like..I hope to God I'm wrong, but the relationship between the sexes is probably not something that you want breaking down, and the likes of this moves things further in that direction I think..I'm probably not expressing this coherently,..

You’re definitely not expressing yourself coherently.

I don’t understand how non-consensual sex cannot be rape.

If I agree to have sex with you in the morning that does not imply consent to have sex again that night. If I consent to have sex with you when I’m conscious that doesn’t mean you’re allowed do as you like to me while I’m asleep.

These are basic human dignities, not a feminist agenda.

One eyed Jack · 07-02-2020 01:56AM

Kenley Rancid Stretcher wrote: »

The whole thing seems utterly bizarre, am I the only one who thinks this story seems a little odd?

Not by a long shot. I’d imagine most people would find it bizarre that a man rapes his girlfriend in her sleep and then sends her an email describing in explicit detail what he did to her and how he felt about it.

S.G.M. · 07-02-2020 02:00AM

He admitted it to her and then pleaded guilty.
It's rape and he deserves to be locked up for a very long time.
Hope the compensation goes some way to helping the victim try and get her life back on track.

KiKi III · 07-02-2020 02:01AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Ah Jesus, the verdict is due to pc feminism?

“Woke culture has gone too far this time. You can’t even assault a woman in her sleep these days and those flaming feminazis are up in arms about it.”

greencap · 07-02-2020 02:02AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Both cases involve people who had no knowledge of the rape until they were told by police/ by the boyfriend so they didn’t suffer trauma until they were told and that negates the crime.

Did she strike you as performative? Maybe he just wanted attention, to be highly regarded as a rapist in both Ireland and his native country? We have learned in previous threads that victims want attention, they want people to imagine them being raped by a stranger and to go through a lengthy intrusive trial where they are asked about their sex life for the attention so that could equally be extended to a rapist who wants attention and accolades for the rape, to be caught willingly and reap the obvious benefits of the high profile celebrity that will bring.

In case you hadn't noticed the world is full of nutters. For example, there are people out there who actively try to, and successfully do, contract hiv.

In an age of generated news, hiv bug chasers, social media "celebrities" and people who kill their own kids, if you can tell me there's 100% no doubt in your mind that this story isn't possibly two attention seeking nut jobs then you need to look around.

(I see now one poster speculating that the guy involved is a male feminist... BS detector rising)

Im personally happy to believe the courts got it right, but I also see it being capitalised on by the usual political characters and media chancers.

And that makes me say oh for fcuk sake, here we go.. wah wah wah woman's right to... blah blah rape culture... classes on consent... something something society. Oh do they love this kind of thing.

I can't not doubt any sort of "controversy" these days, especially if it involves sexual politics and feminism.

Male feminist publicly admits unusual and controversial type of rape in high profile case certain to gain media traction.

Woman raped while sleeping awarded €1m in damages

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