new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

bodhrandude · 06-02-2020 03:14AM

joseywhales · 06-02-2020 03:55AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Did they say they had coronavirus though - or even if it was suspected?

I was in isolation with my wife in the maternity hospital here because of flu. Pregnant women getting sick is generally more serious

One pregnant lady isolated in a hospital here in tamil nadu for testing. Lot of people starting to wear masks around now. In fairness there is some serious lag between live infection numbers and the reality. If she is tested, which may take all day, found positive, it would probably be reported 48 hours after presenting, I don't really know the mechanism.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-02-2020 04:37AM

Nanchang becomes the latest large Chinese city to introduce severe restrictions on movement. One member of each family must be nominated to leave their homes for goods once every two days.

06-02-2020 04:42AM

joseywhales wrote: »

One pregnant lady isolated in a hospital here in tamil nadu for testing. Lot of people starting to wear masks around now. In fairness there is some serious lag between live infection numbers and the reality. If she is tested, which may take all day, found positive, it would probably be reported 48 hours after presenting, I don't really know the mechanism.

Yea assuming the first test is positive, earlier reports were showing it was taking 4 tests on some people to show up.

s7ryf3925pivug · 06-02-2020 07:41AM

I wonder if Ireland can close its borders to other EU states in the event of the virus taking hold in Europe?

Free travel between states is part of the EU concept. We are not part of the Schengen area, so we still operate border checks, but that doesn't mean we can turn away other EU citizens.

I wonder how political parties might act in response to an outbreak in general. So sudden that I doubt any of them have any official position. I'd still like to hear the leaders being asked though.

Graces7 · 06-02-2020 07:49AM

wakka12 wrote: »

80% over 60, wow, and with diseases, why is China going so ape**** over this disease if it is kills mostly those who are already suspectible to death from seasonal flu.

So old folk are???

tonysopprano · 06-02-2020 07:52AM

We can't close our borders to afghan, somali, albanian, georgian, pakastani, chinese or a host of other illegal migrants. How do you expect to close to legal visitors

s7ryf3925pivug · 06-02-2020 08:06AM

Fine Gael see a solution to the pension crisis.
Fianna Fail pay private developers 13 billion for a hospital made of shipping containers that is in fact never built.

06-02-2020 08:18AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1225267874303967232

Lab with the ability to diagnose 10,000 tests a day just built

Cody montana · 06-02-2020 08:27AM

tonysopprano wrote: »

We can't close our borders to afghan, somali, albanian, georgian, pakastani, chinese or a host of other illegal migrants. How do you expect to close to legal visitors

Well that’s just nonsense.

Graces7 · 06-02-2020 08:45AM

Way back in 1665 in a village called Eyam in Derbyshire , England, a visitor brough plague in; fleas on dirty cloth.

The village put itself into total quarantine to avoid spreading a lethal disease, the Great Plague, to the rest of the country, No one left and many died by staying, as they were not then infected but could have spread it

A poignant article / BBC programme. " Eyam plague; the village of the damned"

This situation we have now reminded me of this. And shocking figures re Plague still killing folk.

Yurt2 · 06-02-2020 09:04AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Fine Gael see a solution to the pension crisis.
Fianna Fail pay private developers 13 billion for a hospital made of shipping containers that is in fact never built.

Labour set up a quango for coronavirus advocacy while at the same time encouraging its spread to keep the quango going. Give all their union mates jobs on the executive at 100k.

Greens want compostible body bags, and propose a tax on cremation.

SocDems claim the virus is racist as the name sounds vaguely Mexican, will form Oireachtas committee on proposed name change. Also considering a subsidized scheme to infect more Irish people as Asians are disproportionately affected.

All senior Sinn Fein members contracted the virus but are reported to be receiving excellent care in Havana, Cuba. Mary Lou claims she is in Templeouge at a salsa themed charity quiz via Skype call to a journalist.

Duke of Url · 06-02-2020 09:43AM

So now we have suspected cases in Dublin, Kerry and Cork

Dublin

A Chinese man put in isolation in St James's Hospital in Dublin on Tuesday for the disease is also continuing to be tested.

Kerry

On Wednesday there was also fears of a suspected case in Kerry, it’s understood a patient is being treated for breathing difficulties at University Hospital Kerry in Tralee.

The woman, who is understood to be of Chinese origin, may have been in contact with people who recently travelled from her home country.

Cork

A young man has been placed in isolation at Cork University Hospital with a suspected case of the killer coronavirus.

The man, who is believed to be in his 20s, displayed symptoms of the disease after recently returning from China.

All listed in the Mirror.ie
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/young-man-put-isolation-suspected-21440956

Boggles · 06-02-2020 09:50AM

Fire them into the sea!

s7ryf3925pivug · 06-02-2020 09:53AM

Even assuming reported figures are honest and accurate, the actual number infected is likely to be four times the number of confirmed cases. This is because of the fate of spread and the time between infection and confirmed diagnosis.

On the other hand, the same lag will be present between successful counter-measures and seeing a slowdown in the numbers of new confirmed diagnoses.

odyssey06 · 06-02-2020 10:08AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Even assuming reported figures are honest and accurate

I think they are an accurate count of the number dead who tested positive for coronavirus. I don't think they are honest in that we need to see the numbers of deaths for pneumonia and related respiratory conditions versus previous years.

I think the reported deaths are just the tip of the iceberg - I'm basing that on the reports coming out of China, the reaction of the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities, and the UK and other western governments.

Duke of Url · 06-02-2020 10:11AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think they are an accurate count of the number dead who tested positive for coronavirus. I don't think they are honest in that we need to see the numbers of deaths for pneumonia and related respiratory conditions versus previous years.

I think the reported deaths are just the tip of the iceberg - I'm basing that on the reports coming out of China, the reaction of the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities, and the UK and other western governments.

Do you not think its odd that the Total Death figures work out at 2% in relation to the Total Confirmed every day +/- 0.05?

Duke of Url · 06-02-2020 10:13AM

21/01/2020 22/01/2020 23/01/2020 24/01/2020 25/01/2020 26/01/2020 27/01/2020 28/01/2020 29/01/2020 30/01/2020 31/01/2020 01/02/2020 02/02/2020 03/02/2020 04/02/2020 05/02/2020
Confirmed 446 579 844 1312 2015 2801 4579 6061 7816 9821 11948 14551 17387 20626 24553 28229
Deaths 6 8 14 25 40 57 64 87 105 213 259 304 362 426 492 565
% Death 1.35% 1.38% 1.66% 1.91% 1.99% 2.03% 1.40% 1.44% 1.34% 2.17% 2.17% 2.09% 2.08% 2.07% 2.00% 2.00%

pc7 · 06-02-2020 10:21AM

Surely it has to be positive that we aren't seeing huge growth in numbers so far out side of China?

RebelButtMunch · 06-02-2020 10:23AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

21/01/2020 22/01/2020 23/01/2020 24/01/2020 25/01/2020 26/01/2020 27/01/2020 28/01/2020 29/01/2020 30/01/2020 31/01/2020 01/02/2020 02/02/2020 03/02/2020 04/02/2020 05/02/2020
Confirmed 446 579 844 1312 2015 2801 4579 6061 7816 9821 11948 14551 17387 20626 24553 28229
Deaths 6 8 14 25 40 57 64 87 105 213 259 304 362 426 492 565
% Death 1.35% 1.38% 1.66% 1.91% 1.99% 2.03% 1.40% 1.44% 1.34% 2.17% 2.17% 2.09% 2.08% 2.07% 2.00% 2.00%

Isn't the argument that the confirmed case number is limited by the number of tests they are doing? If they could test more, the death % would be lower.

givyjoe · 06-02-2020 10:24AM

pc7 wrote: »

Surely it has to be positive that we aren't seeing huge growth in numbers so far out side of China?

Positive, so far.. China had a pretty big headstart on this since early December. We're only what, two/three weeks into cases outside of China?

odyssey06 · 06-02-2020 10:25AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Do you not think its odd that the Total Death figures work out at 2% in relation to the Total Confirmed every day +/- 0.05?

I do now...

Yurt2 · 06-02-2020 10:26AM

I don't think we can have particular confidence that they are declaring the cause of death correctly. Apparently people are being admitted to hospitals ill, not being tested due to lack of kits, and when they are passed the cause of death is attributed to a secondary cause like pnuemonia.

car_radio19834 · 06-02-2020 10:27AM

This is our chance to get rid of Cork.

Varik · 06-02-2020 10:28AM

pc7 wrote: »

Surely it has to be positive that we aren't seeing huge growth in numbers so far out side of China?

China knows what they have on their hands, you get a cold in the wrong part of china they're testing you. Even then there's a limit to how many they can diagnose.

Whereas everywhere else it's being limited to ports of entry and the odd out of the norm confined outbreak that needs to be investigated.

Might be that they're just aren't finding it.

volchitsa · 06-02-2020 10:31AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't think we can have particular confidence that they are declaring the cause of death correctly. Apparently people are being admitted to hospitals ill, not being tested due to lack of kits, and when they are passed the cause of death is attributed to a secondary cause like pnuemonia.

If that is happening in any numbers, then death rates from pneumonia etc will have spiked. Are they going to refuse to make those available while publishing (official) death rates from this virus? Would be pretty dodgy looking, surely?

Rashers Big Log · 06-02-2020 10:33AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

So now we have suspected cases in Dublin, Kerry and Cork

Dublin

Kerry

Cork

All listed in the Mirror.ie
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/young-man-put-isolation-suspected-21440956

I’d consider the source before losing the head

VinLieger · 06-02-2020 10:49AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think they are an accurate count of the number dead who tested positive for coronavirus. I don't think they are honest in that we need to see the numbers of deaths for pneumonia and related respiratory conditions versus previous years.

I think the reported deaths are just the tip of the iceberg - I'm basing that on the reports coming out of China, the reaction of the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities, and the UK and other western governments.

China reported less then 200 deaths for Flu in each of the past 3 years their numbers for literally anything cannot be trusted in any way.

odyssey06 · 06-02-2020 10:58AM

volchitsa wrote: »

If that is happening in any numbers, then death rates from pneumonia etc will have spiked. Are they going to refuse to make those available while publishing (official) death rates from this virus? Would be pretty dodgy looking, surely?

I don't think these deaths are showing up in official numbers.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/relatives-wonder-whether-pneumonia-deaths-were-tied-to-coronavirus-11579915630

A 53-year-old fitness trainer died on Wednesday after checking into a hospital in Wuhan a little more than a week earlier, said his niece. His family had expected the death certificate to reflect the deadly coronavirus, because as his condition deteriorated, his doctors told his family he was suffering from an untreatable virus in his lungs. Instead, it recorded “severe pneumonia” as the cause of death, she said. The relatives of two other people who died in separate hospitals in Wuhan this week also described similar situations, saying the causes of death had been given as “viral pneumonia.”

Dubh Geannain · 06-02-2020 11:10AM

Stocks jump as China cuts tariffs on $75bn of US goods

Stock prices leapt higher in Asia overnight after China moved to cut tariffs on some US goods.

China’s Ministry of Finance said on Thursday it would reduce tariffs on about $75bn (£58bn) of goods imported from the US. A selection of imports facing levies of 10% will see the tax fall to 5%, while 5% levies on other imports will fall to 2.5%.

China said the tariff roll-back was “to promote the healthy and stable development of Sino-US economic and trade relations”. The changes will take effect from 14 February.

...

It's all about the markets.

Wuhan delivers the ball to Virus Corona on the wing who picks out a beautiful assist to target man Trump. Trump only has to tap into the empty net as Xi lies prone on the ground. Trump runs to the crowd celebrating as if he'd done all the leg work with that goal. The crowd are lapping it up. USA USA USA!

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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