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Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:55PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

YEah. It will likely be ffg again. But if things continue like this , will we go a full term again ? And five years of this bs won’t be tolerated. If sf have had such a swing , what’s going to happen after another few years of ffg failure. This is an interesting election, the next one could be truly fascinating!

There is a possibility that SF will hold the balance of power if FF/FG do not coalesce or do a Confidence and Supply.

So what, it is a democracy and let them be hoist by their own petard. If SF gets in as a junior partner in any Government they will be eaten up. They firstly have no idea what's involved in Governing in a Democratic non Terrrorist State, and secondly will be run ragged by the Institutions of State that they have no experience of either. But good luck to them if they do win a place in Government.

Might be interesting to see at the end of the day!

rdwight · 05-02-2020 09:56PM

Billcarson wrote: »

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

I wouldn't wish to bring the 200 odd women who were affected into this and
without being disrespectful to them it should be stated:

1) the scandal part of the scandal is that the women, who had already been diagnosed with cancer, were not told that an audit, initiated as a result of their cancer diagnosis, had shown that their smear tests had been incorrectly screened.

2) to be clear, the scandal was not that women developed cancer because information was withheld from them. I say this because this seems to be a common misconception

3) many of the women developed cancer because of incorrect screening of their smear tests. As far as I know, it has not been established that the numbers of incorrect screenings were outside was is expected or that having screenings done outside Ireland increased the numner of incorrect results.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:57PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

The dinasours on here are in for a surprise so. Young people’s attention span these days are about 5 minutes it only takes 1 minute to vote. Last nights butcher job by rte is long forgotten already by the under 30s. Roll on Saturday.

Will under 30s or so bother to go and vote. They surely have hangovers to nurse and friends to meet.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you make a claim.

I ask you a question about it, and you first off don't answer the question, claim I have accepted your hypothesis...and then ask me a question, not having answered.

Go to bed love, you had a late night last night.

I'm just shooting the breeze.

Sober Crappy Chemis · 05-02-2020 10:00PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

That’s real tinfoil hat stuff, Bertie. There’s no concerted effort to keep the poor old principled Shinners out. If you have evidence to the contrary, including how Miriam was biased last night then I suggest you put your complaint in writing and post it to:

Broadcasting Authority of Ireland, 2 - 5 Warrington Place, Dublin D02 XP29

The inference of the concept of ‘intangible’ would be lost here.

Crazy Diamond indeed.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:01PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Go to bed love, you had a late night last night.

I'm just shooting the breeze.

So just jump in make an allegation and then refuse to explain or back up?

Very good.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:01PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Will under 30s or so bother to go and vote. They surely have hangovers to nurse and friends to meet.

Well they’ve got 13 hours or so to vote so surely less than five minutes to actually vote isn’t going to kill them.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 10:01PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

The dinasours on here are in for a surprise so. Young people’s attention span these days are about 5 minutes it only takes 1 minute to vote. Last nights butcher job by rte is long forgotten already by the under 30s. Roll on Saturday.

Interesting choice of phrase since it was Paul Quinn who was beaten to a pulp - it was he who had the butchers job. Mary Lou was just not capable enough to answer simple questions and got caught out in a lie. Then crumbled after that.

Politically a' butcher job' would be a fake tweet like the one SF set up about Sean Gallagher back in 2011.
People still remember that and people will still remember Mary Lou's performance yesterday night in years to come.

If anything Mary Lou was just caught out by the truth and got tied in knots as a result.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 10:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have we hit peak hysteria yet?

It's a 'cover up' now despite the IMC, The PSNI and most of Monaghan/South Armagh knowing who it was.

You're like a punch drunk fighter at this stage Francie, flailing away blindly

Plumbthedepths · 05-02-2020 10:02PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Will under 30s or so bother to go and vote. They surely have hangovers to nurse and friends to meet.

Both my sons are under 30, both will be voting. Who for I have no idea but your attitude towards younger people is atrocious tbh.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:04PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

You're like a punch drunk fighter at this stage Francie, flailing away blindly

Mike Tyson trying to find his gum-shield after buster douglas knock down kind of punch drunk ?

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 10:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So just jump in make an allegation and then refuse to explain or back up?

Very good.

I'm OK with what I said. No worries.

Zetor19 · 05-02-2020 10:05PM

A lot of people who never heard of Paul Quinn or who couldn’t care less about him are all up in arms the last 24 hours. Why not the last 13 years if so concerned?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:06PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

You're like a punch drunk fighter at this stage Francie, flailing away blindly

Francie knew this was coming last week Dan, so much so I said it on here.

It par for the course. Remember the British lifting Gerry when it looked like the Shinners were going to do well before.

It was always going to happen...it's effects are getting less and less.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:07PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Both my sons are under 30, both will be voting. Who for I have no idea but your attitude towards younger people is atrocious tbh.

And that very good to hear but it’s not wrong to say that 30 and under although more towards the 18 year old end of bracket are not as sure a voting block as say the 65 and over voter.

05-02-2020 10:07PM

RTE devoted over five minutes of the lead story on Paul Quinn & Mary Lou. Their agenda is crystal. Leo & MM portrayed in a soft light condemning said "scandal." No elderly people on trolleys, or homelessness crisis then.

Idbatterim · 05-02-2020 10:07PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is a possibility that SF will hold the balance of power if FF/FG do not coalesce or do a Confidence and Supply.

So what, it is a democracy and let them be hoist by their own petard. If SF gets in as a junior partner in any Government they will be eaten up. They firstly have no idea what's involved in Governing in a Democratic non Terrrorist State, and secondly will be run ragged by the Institutions of State that they have no experience of either. But good luck to them if they do win a place in Government.

Might be interesting to see at the end of the day!

No chance ffg won’t be the next government. Varadkar three months away from Taoiseachs pension, he’d sell the country out for that alone. Then Mickey Mouse , won’t want to become first ff leader not to be Taoiseach.never mind what they say. They’d suck each other’s dicks if it means keeping the gravy train and axis of failure going !

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 10:08PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The thing is most of those you mention may not bother voting! Too busy recovering from Friday's hangover or whatever.

+ Saturday is diesel washing day!

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Francie knew this was coming last week Dan, so much so I said it on here.

It par for the course. Remember the British lifting Gerry when it looked like the Shinners were going to do well before.

It was always going to happen...it's effects are getting less and less.

I’ve a question Francie if you don’t mind. Are the Sinn Fein party and it’s TDs and councillors infallible in your eyes ?

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 10:10PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Both my sons are under 30, both will be voting. Who for I have no idea but your attitude towards younger people is atrocious tbh.

Ah FGS you sound so patronising. No one knows if you have sons or not. My point was that there is often more heat than light in SF supporters, and that would apply to younger voters in general IMV.

OK with you for me having an opinion on MANY younger voters? They generally don't walk the walk really. But we shall see. I am not saying I know everything either, just an observation.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:11PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’ve a question Francie if you don’t mind. Are the Sinn Fein party and it’s TDs and councillors infallible in your eyes ?

Absolutely not. What a stupid question.

It would be like me asking you are 'they all bad'.

You don't think that do you?

gmisk · 05-02-2020 10:12PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Will under 30s or so bother to go and vote. They surely have hangovers to nurse and friends to meet.

What a load of rubbish, I think you under estimate people in that age bracket, the marriage referendum and repeal the 8th has imo really helped to politicise (if that's the right word) that demographic (I remember massive increases in young people signing up near those votes), I think a lot in that age range will vote SF.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE devoted over five minutes of the lead story on Paul Quinn & Mary Lou. Their agenda is crystal. Leo & MM portrayed in a soft light condemning said "scandal." No elderly people on trolleys, or homelessness crisis then.

It has been unrelenting all day.

Is that unfortunate woman any further on or nearer to getting justice? Not one inch closer, sadly. Same a s Mairia Cahill etc etc etc.

Used and then dropped like hot potatoes.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:19PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely not. What a stupid question.

It would be like me asking you are 'they all bad'.

You don't think that do you?

Okay so you don't but last night it was all about michael Martin and leo varadkar were at fault somehow over the Paul Quinn question. You said something about dockets.

They ? Politicians you mean ? Seeing as how you weren't clear as to who "they" were I'll infer you meant politicians. No of course I don't think politicians are all bad regardless of what party they are part of. Politicians are all human beings first and foremost so while I may have issues with many policies by all parties(and none) it's never personal with me.

I also don't think all of them are good either which is what I was asking you. You have answered you don't so I thank you for answering.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 10:20PM

My guess is that SF will get 33 or so bums on seats. Then the REAL Government parties who will lose many a seat will have to decide whether to join with SF or do another C+S arrangement, maybe in the opposite direction.

I think they will do anything to keep SF out.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:21PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Okay so you don't but last night it was all about michael Martin and leo varadkar were at fault somehow over the Paul Quinn question. You said something about dockets.

What?

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 10:24PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

No chance ffg won’t be the next government. Varadkar three months away from Taoiseachs pension, he’d sell the country out for that alone. Then Mickey Mouse , won’t want to become first ff leader nothing to be Taoiseach.never mind what they say. They’d suck each other’s dicks if it means keeping the gravy train and axis of failure going !

Where is this axis of failure exactly - near full employment etc
You seem very melodramatic. Also it is interesting to note the the homeless figures are proportionally larger in NI (20k 1.09%) than the ROI (under 10k 0.2%). And the ROI is about 3 times the size. Yet SF are snuggled up to Arelene in Stormont up there. Yet there is more homeless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-fact-check-how-many-people-are-homeless-in-northern-ireland-1.4162666

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 10:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

I'll go find the relevant quote from last night to refresh your memory so that we can have a constructive conversation.

Ferm001 · 05-02-2020 10:28PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My guess is that SF will get 33 or so bums on seats. Then the REAL Government parties who will lose many a seat will have to decide whether to join with SF or do another C+S arrangement, maybe in the opposite direction.

I think they will do anything to keep SF out.

I think this would be the best possible result for SF. They have now shown they can compete with the big 2. How long will a C&S last ? SF will be ready next time with increased numbers of candidates.
SF play the long game.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 10:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE devoted over five minutes of the lead story on Paul Quinn & Mary Lou. Their agenda is crystal. Leo & MM portrayed in a soft light condemning said "scandal." No elderly people on trolleys, or homelessness crisis then.

Those on a trolley have less chance of getting beaten up, murdered and called a criminal at least. The homeless are probably arguably safer than Paul Quinn ever was at least if a homeless person is attacked - those in power would be upset about it.

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