General Election TV debates

Plumbthedepths · 05-02-2020 08:42PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

FF/SF hit the magic number based on Harry's numbers.

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 08:47PM

ricero wrote: »

My god what a farce this country and its broadcasters are.

Agreed - SF should be getting hammed all the time by this kind of thing.

They're given a ridiculously soft-ride by the left-leaning RTE.

Lackey · 05-02-2020 08:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

you are aware of FG or FF or any other party other than SF with close links to paramilitary/crime organisations that kill people?

to individuals like slab murphy?

that send their elected officials to pick up killers from prison?

do tell, this stuff sounds like dynamite (oops)

I’m also not aware of one victim of crime in this country that FF/FG give a real sh!te about
The courts here are a revolving door.
Their stance on this is bullish!t
MM milking the awful murder for all its worth is a joke.
Where’s the sympathy and calls for reform for every other victim in the country?
There’s no point hopping off my post.
It’s just an honest observation, from someone who thinks their ALL the same.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 08:48PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

Funnily enough, the massive childcare worker strike completely upstaged....

SF need to be challenged. Run by the Army Council who do not want the SCC or anything to be mentioned about that murdered lad Quinn either. There is much more, but obviously it is only those of us who have lived through the mayhem who care.

The SF target is young, hip, socialist, SJW and so on.

They will never get a house free anyway because they are educated (to their mind), and earn above the AMW.

SF does not support the Help to Buy scheme, because you must be a taxpayer to avail of it.

Honestly.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 08:52PM

SF will not feature in the next Gov IMV.

FF and FG will coalesce or do another C+S maybe in the opposite direction.

Who cares? I don't want any erstwhile terrorists in any mix. EVER. Rather deal with others thanks.

But who knows?

Just sick of the double standards of SF. Army Council still runs it probably Gyarry. And Holy Mary is the mouthpiece.

Suckit · 05-02-2020 08:54PM

tobsey wrote: »

Sinn Féin’s core vote will still vote for them after last night. They accept their position on the SCC and know there are some skeletons in the closet over the troubles. I understand why their supporters accept these things as a fallout from the troubles even though I don’t agree with them

However most of Sinn Féin’s gains this election are from people looking for chance. ML lost loads of them last night but not because of her disastrous answers to the SCC and Paul Quinn questions but because she showed all her promises are impossible to deliver and she has no ability to plan for the future.

She said that demographics would take of themselves on the pensions issue, when ever piece of evidence in the world says otherwise.

She said they would build 100,000 social houses. When asked how they would do it when the construction sector was at capacity she said we have to aim big. So they’ve picked the largest number of houses to put in their manifesto with no plan on how to build them.

The same on the climate change questions. Their investment would be massive, with no details whatsoever.

She also spoke of increasing capacity in the health sector by providing more beds. But wants to have a marginal tax rate of 57% on the consultants and specialists needed to treat the patients.

People are being attracted to the idea of change but there is no point in changing to a party that haven’t a clue what they’d do if they got into power.

Every word of that may be true, but there is also no point in voting for a party that doesn't deliver over and over and over and over again.

It's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
SF are promising to try to do many things, given the chance, they may actually get something done :rolleyes: .

I've witnessed both FF and FG promise things time after time, and not really even trying. So where does that leave the voters?
It leaves the die-hards telling everyone else their chosen parties lies and to vote for them.
Back at square one.

Billcarson · 05-02-2020 09:00PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

Yeah, better to keep the bad news buried I guess, just like the bodies of the Disappeared.

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:10PM

1641 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein cover up of the Quinn murder

Have we hit peak hysteria yet?

It's a 'cover up' now despite the IMC, The PSNI and most of Monaghan/South Armagh knowing who it was.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:14PM

Billcarson wrote: »

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

I agree that it was a scandal.

But at the end of the day it wasn't perpetrated by those with iron bars, bombs, bullets and orders from the Army Council either.

elperello · 05-02-2020 09:16PM

Billcarson wrote: »

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

Very tragic and unforgivable but not at all like.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 09:18PM

emo72 wrote: »

ah g'wan outta dat. im no SF fanboy, but the outright hatchet job been done on them this week will win them more votes.

They are open to hatchet jobs because they have not cleaned up the many messes they left behind. Easy to be blind sided when you are looking over your shoulder to the real power behind SF.

emo72 · 05-02-2020 09:21PM

1641 wrote: »

This is no normal "political party".

everyone knows that.
this is an indictment of FF/FG and all the smaller parties. they've been so bad that people are willing to bite their noses off to spite their faces.

SF look palatable because the other parties are poison.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 09:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But they want us to think they are Normal.

I am a bit older and NEVER thought they were or ever could be. But my view will be diluted over time.

Still think the Army Council calls the shots. Gerry hasn't gone away. I reckon he is still pushing the buttons and could call in reinforcements if necessary.

ML is a stoogie for the IRA heads. Obvious listening the debate last night. Well for me anyway

Yep she thought she could get away with answering 'I support the courts' to the special criminal court question.

She is a bit better with less experienced interviewers which were prerecorded.

Even so she dodged the question @1:02 very skillfully done.... :rolleyes:

I think Mary Lou needs the 'truth rope' for her own party @4:03

05-02-2020 09:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yep she thought she could get away with answering 'I support the courts' to the special criminal court question.

She is a bit better with less experienced interviewers which were prerecorded.

Even so she dodged the question @1:02 very skillfully done.... :rolleyes:

They're missing one of the best opportunities they've ever been given- they have a rising popularity not based on bombing people, or knee-capping people or laundering drugs or shouting Britts out - just simply because people are fed up with the current choices- they should be bending over backwards to please people- apologising at every opportunity for insensitive comments, showing that they can do what they say they will do-

but no, we get this cautious, contrary, cynical guarded Dublin 6 posh girl, toeing the old style pro-IRA party line- sorry girl, get back to Orwell road and stop pretending you even know what people in Ballyfermot, or Darndale or Jobstown or Crumlin or whoever you pretend to represent, are going through or what they need- because you don't.

Idbatterim · 05-02-2020 09:35PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

SF will not feature in the next Gov IMV.

FF and FG will coalesce or do another C+S maybe in the opposite direction.

Who cares? I don't want any erstwhile terrorists in any mix. EVER. Rather deal with others thanks.

But who knows?

Just sick of the double standards of SF. Army Council still runs it probably Gyarry. And Holy Mary is the mouthpiece.

YEah. It will likely be ffg again. But if things continue like this , will we go a full term again ? And five years of this bs won’t be tolerated. If sf have had such a swing , what’s going to happen after another few years of ffg failure. This is an interesting election, the next one could be truly fascinating!

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:38PM

The Army Council will always rule the roost. And MLMD has to comply with that.

There is a lot of fudge going on, but she is a mouthpiece for the terrorists. That will always be my view. They are just under the radar.

As Michael Caine said " not a lot of people know that"

05-02-2020 09:38PM

Anyone voting "Green Party" really needs to examine their conscience - you're just imposing yet more taxes, both direct and indirect, onto hard working people - because the Green Party don't have an imaginative bone in their body- "tax to oblivion" is the only method they know.

Zetor19 · 05-02-2020 09:39PM

The people hyping up all this rubbish are the d4/rte toffs like Sean o rourke and Miriam . The people who are still going to vote sf and couldn’t care less about what happened 20 years ago will be watching love island while rte spend 90% of the main news doing a butcher job on sf.

easypazz · 05-02-2020 09:40PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The Army Council will always rule the roost. And MLMD has to comply with that.

There is a lot of fudge going on, but she is a mouthpiece for the terrorists. That will always be my view. They are just under the radar.

As Michael Caine said " not a lot of people know that"

Rubbish, total gibberish.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:42PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

YEah. It will likely be ffg again. But if things continue like this , will we go a full term again ? And five years of this bs won’t be tolerated. If sf have had such a swing , what’s going to happen after another few years of ffg failure. This is an interesting election, the next one could be truly fascinating!

Playing the long game to those who do not remember or care about what went on before.

That would be fine, happened in many a country, but ML responses regarding SCC and Mr. Quinn rip (and probably many others too) said a lot to me. Army Council rules still I feel, rightly or wrongly. But that is my feeling on it.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:43PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The Army Council will always rule the roost. And MLMD has to comply with that.

There is a lot of fudge going on, but she is a mouthpiece for the terrorists. That will always be my view. They are just under the radar.

As Michael Caine said " not a lot of people know that"

What do you reckon the 'Army council's' goal is?

is_that_so · 05-02-2020 09:43PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

The people hyping up all this rubbish are the d4/rte toffs like Sean o rourke and Miriam . The people who are still going to vote sf and couldn’t care less about what happened 20 years ago will be watching love island while rte spend 90% of the main news doing a butcher job on sf.

It gets over 400,000 viewers a day. That's a lot of voters. Love Island is under 200,000.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:43PM

easypazz wrote: »

Rubbish, total gibberish.

Any rebuttal or counter argument there?

easypazz · 05-02-2020 09:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any rebuttal or counter argument there?

Theres no need. You quoted Michael Caine to support your argument.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:45PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

The people hyping up all this rubbish are the d4/rte toffs like Sean o rourke and Miriam . The people who are still going to vote sf and couldn’t care less about what happened 20 years ago will be watching love island while rte spend 90% of the main news doing a butcher job on sf.

The thing is most of those you mention may not bother voting! Too busy recovering from Friday's hangover or whatever.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 09:47PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

The people hyping up all this rubbish are the d4/rte toffs like Sean o rourke and Miriam . The people who are still going to vote sf and couldn’t care less about what happened 20 years ago will be watching love island while rte spend 90% of the main news doing a butcher job on sf.

It is a lot closer than 20 years ago..... also if they watch love island it is likely the majority of that cohort would not be voting anyway?

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 09:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What do you reckon the 'Army council's' goal is?

Apart from ruling from afar and all that what would you think yourself?

Good to hear you admit the AC exists anyway, that's Mary the Mouthpiece sorted anyway as we heard last night.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Apart from ruling from afar and all that what would you think yourself?

Good to hear you admit the AC exists anyway, that's Mary the Mouthpiece sorted anyway as we heard last night.

So you make a claim.

I ask you a question about it, and you first off don't answer the question, claim I have accepted your hypothesis...and then ask me a question, not having answered.

Zetor19 · 05-02-2020 09:53PM

The dinasours on here are in for a surprise so. Young people’s attention span these days are about 5 minutes it only takes 1 minute to vote. Last nights butcher job by rte is long forgotten already by the under 30s. Roll on Saturday.

05-02-2020 09:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have we hit peak hysteria yet?

It's a 'cover up' now despite the IMC, The PSNI and most of Monaghan/South Armagh knowing who it was.

You're obviously an avid SF supporter- regulars here know that. So can I ask you a question- do you think the SF approach in this election maximises their vote or could they have gone about things differently, a more fresh, modern approach?

They'll certainly increase their seats, that we know at this stage- but winning over older voters who may have been against them in the past? I don't think they've done half as much as they could have.

What's your view?

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