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elperello · 05-02-2020 06:56PM

maccored wrote: »

Going by the info he received, yes he did. How do you know he is incorrect?

I was out for a while.
I see things have moved on since.
He has apologised.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 07:03PM

tobsey wrote: »

What that poster didn’t post about Bertie Ahern, which I alluded to above, is the second google result when you search for “Bertie Ahern Paul Quinn”:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ahern-says-quinn-not-a-criminal-1.992814?mode=amp

Berries words are being twisted here and he correctly clarified them one month later in the Dail, it when under pressure of an election 13 years later.

The IMC are not standing for election and have nothing to gain in this.

As usual, when victims are used for political reasons the truth gets murkier and murkier.

Here is what the IMC had to say. As far as I know they haven't been asked to apologise nor have they retracted it.

“We think that the attack on Paul Quinn was planned and carried out by local people and that it arose from
local disputes,” the IMC said.
“Whatever the immediate reason for the killing certain aspects of these disputes go back some time and were
not unconnected with continuing illegal activity.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/murder-of-quinn-not-linked-to-ira-leaders-1.919382?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fmurder-of-quinn-not-linked-to-ira-leaders-1.919382

is_that_so · 05-02-2020 07:04PM

elperello wrote: »

I was out for a while.
I see things have moved on since.
He has apologised.

No choice really given what happened last night on TV. It was either that or it being the only news about SF till Saturday and the only question from the media.

emo72 · 05-02-2020 07:08PM

tobsey wrote: »

People are being attracted to the idea of change but there is no point in changing to a party that haven’t a clue what they’d do if they got into power.

look i know SF are dodgy as ****. but its all we have left until a decent party comes along. thers no way you could vote for FF/FG/LAB/GREENS, they all had their time and led us to here. ****esville. i cant forgive leo for ****ing housing up. and as for "ive listened to the people and i understand now". why were you not listening before leo? youve been very aloof and dismissing. and now your listening? right now before an election? i dont believe you.

imfml · 05-02-2020 07:09PM

Does potential Taoiseach Mary Lou know what's going on in her party though. She is President of Sinn Fein and was caught out by basic questions about Northern Ireland, where they are in Government. I have considered a vote for SF but just finished watching the debate on player and based on what I saw, I'm don't think it would be sensible.

emo72 · 05-02-2020 07:14PM

imfml wrote: »

Does potential Taoiseach Mary Lou know what's going on in her party though. She is President of Sinn Fein and was caught out by basic questions about Northern Ireland, where they are in Government. I have considered a vote for SF but just finished watching the debate on player and based on what I saw, I'm don't think it would be sensible.

in fairness is she the leader down south only? is it michelle o neill up north? knowing all the facts and figures in one juridiction is enough i guess.

jmayo · 05-02-2020 07:20PM

maccored wrote: »

and the SCC has what to do with a murder in the north? In fact what do SF have to do with that murder? I've been waiting all day on that answer

Well then why did a senior SF politican get involved making allegations against the victim and offering assurances that PIRA were not involved in the murder?

Richard tea wrote: »

Nobody cares. Its a 13 year old story brought up in order to sling mud at SF. An undesirable got mixed in with other undesirables and it led to an undesirable situation.

Also didnt the media at the time mention the victim was involved in criminality?

Funny how some murders matter to the shinners and some don't.
At times like this one can actually see the point that unionists often make. :rolleyes:

Funny how you are also throwing mud at the victim trying to see if some of it sticks.
I would have thought ML would have put the word out to desist.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's not. It's exactly politicians using victims, however willing, to score points in the run up to an election. Then Taoseacht Bertie Ahern said it was a criminal matter, not related to the IRA.
I agree, if FF/FG were linked.
SF are not a normal party. They didn't leave part of the country to suffer under British/Unionist rule. Neither side come out great in conflict. Or maybe the Troubles were no more than Haughey buying tailored shirts to some.

It is a bit fooking rich of shinners to complain about others using dead murder victims to further their own cause.

BTW bertie ahern later apologised for the implication that Quinn was a criminal.
BTW he did it in 2007, not 2020.

And you can say that again, "SF are not a normal party".

Funny how only one party seems to want to remove a court designed to remove terrorists and those involved in terrorism.

tobsey · 05-02-2020 07:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The IMC are not standing for election and have nothing to gain in this.

As usual, when victims are used for political reasons the truth gets murkier and murkier.

Here is what the IMC had to say. As far as I know they haven't been asked to apologise nor have they retracted it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/murder-of-quinn-not-linked-to-ira-leaders-1.919382?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fmurder-of-quinn-not-linked-to-ira-leaders-1.919382

The IMC said it wasn’t the IRA at an organisational level, but that former members of the IRA were involved. Therefore the IRA and it’s members know what happened.

The IMC didn’t say Paul Quinn was involved in criminality. Connor Murphy did. The issue isn’t whether it was current or former members that committed the murder, it’s that a leading member of Sinn Fein said the man who had every major bone in his body broken by a gang was involved in criminal activity. Murphy said that as if to excuse his IRA friend’s actions because they were justified.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 07:24PM

jmayo wrote: »

Well then why did a senior SF politican get involved making allegations against the victim and offering assurances that PIRA were not involved in the murder?

Funny how some murders matter to the shinners and some don't.
At times like this one can actually see the point that unionists often make. :rolleyes:

Funny how you are also throwing mud at the victim trying to see if some of it sticks.
I would have thought ML would have put the word out to desist.

It is a bit fooking rich of shinners to complain about others using dead murder victims to further their own cause.

BTW bertie ahern later apologised for the implication that Quinn was a criminal.
BTW he did it in 2007, not 2020.

And you can say that again, "SF are not a normal party".

Funny how only one party seems to want to remove a court designed to remove terrorists and those involved in terrorism.

Gas alright. Re read my comment it answers what you just posted about. I'm losing interest lads.

Phoebas · 05-02-2020 07:27PM

emo72 wrote: »

in fairness is she the leader down south only? is it michelle o neill up north? knowing all the facts and figures in one juridiction is enough i guess.

This must be the most halarious excuse so far.

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 07:27PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'm losing interest lads.

Good.

It'll be nice to get a break from your victim-blaming sh;te for a while.

blanch152 · 05-02-2020 07:30PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

SF are not a normal party.

That maybe the first independently verifiable statement that you have made on these boards.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 07:32PM

Phoebas wrote: »

This must be the most halarious excuse so far.

Sinn Féin.

The All Ireland party!!

Phoebas · 05-02-2020 07:34PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sinn Féin.

The All Ireland party!!

Apparently not. Who knew, eg?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 07:34PM

tobsey wrote: »

The IMC said it wasn’t the IRA at an organisational level, but that former members of the IRA were involved. Therefore the IRA and it’s members know what happened.

The IMC didn’t say Paul Quinn was involved in criminality. Connor Murphy did. The issue isn’t whether it was current or former members that committed the murder, it’s that a leading member of Sinn Fein said the man who had every major bone in his body broken by a gang was involved in criminal activity. Murphy said that as if to excuse his IRA friend’s actions because they were justified.

I quoted and linked to what the IMC said. 'It was not unconnected to illegal activity'

Adams, Murphy etc all condemned the killing, immediately.

emo72 · 05-02-2020 07:36PM

Phoebas wrote: »

This must be the most halarious excuse so far.

ah g'wan outta dat. im no SF fanboy, but the outright hatchet job been done on them this week will win them more votes.

gmisk · 05-02-2020 07:41PM

I am watching six one...they are seriously running down MLM....not biased at all!

05-02-2020 07:43PM

I'm not very clued in on it but how often in say the last ten years has the special criminal court been used?
Why should things get so bad as for us to have to use it anyway? isnt it better to prevent cancer rather than having to wait until it get to such a point that any victory is only a Pyrrhic one?

Prevention would be better than cure, by this I mean, tougher sentences on the criminals. None of this, " he stabbed a guy to death while out on bail or suspended sentence holding a jacket of 60+ priors.
People don't give a **** about the SCC, banging that drum is a real old politicians act of desperation to be honest.
I've no issue with attacking, poking holes all day in Sinn feinn policy, I'm ambivalent about them myself like most I feel but if she turned round in the morning and said Im happy with the SCC and I'll cut the ribbon on it myself sure leo would be sayinf she's a notorious homophobic cos she hates will and grace..I mean FFS!

L1011 · 05-02-2020 07:46PM

rusty cole wrote: »

I'm not very clued in on it but how often in say the last ten years has the special criminal court been used?

Loads. We even needed to have a second entire stream of it from 2016-9 due to the case load.

Their opposition is because it was the only way to trial provos and more recently the "Good Republican" Murphy. Nothing else.

If they want to show clean hands from the old days, they need to stop that kind of crap. They also need to get beyond having the likes of Ellis, Anderson, Conor Murphy etc still as candidates/reps/front benchers.

Edgware · 05-02-2020 07:46PM

emo72 wrote: »

ah g'wan outta dat. im no SF fanboy, but the outright hatchet job been done on them this week will win them more votes.

You are a SF fanboy grasping at straws

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 07:47PM

SF is toast to many of my vintage. Those younger than me who would vote for them may not bother to get out of the scratcher to do so. Talk is cheap and activism is hip.

But that is not to say I don't admire SFs ability to attract younger voters. Those who don't care about what went on before won't care of course. Target Market...Grand.

It is still there to this day though that is the problem. Army Council probably runs the show. Well you just have to look at the response from MLMD to the issue of the Special Criminal Court and the Quinn issue. It is reprehensible IMV. She is a nodding donkey to the powers that be, but talks the talk quite well. Apart from last night. No way back from that.

We can deal with all the other issues from FFG legally. But unfortunately SF will ALWAYS have a whiff of cordite around them.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 07:48PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Good.

It'll be nice to get a break from your victim-blaming sh;te for a while.

Lie. Link to me victim blaming?

emo72 · 05-02-2020 07:49PM

Edgware wrote: »

You are a SF fanboy grasping at straws

im just an innocent wanderer that wandered into the wrong thread:D

but jaysis, i now know how the SF fanboys feel.

Gwan de shinnerbots!

Zetor19 · 05-02-2020 07:50PM

There is also the chance the rte bullying of sf backfires on Saturday.

Lackey · 05-02-2020 07:50PM

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Funny how some murders matter to the shinners and some don't.
.[/quote]

You are attributing apathy specificly to SF supporters ?

How many mothers have buried sons where there was little to no justice?
How many times have we ‘bemoaned the courts and their soft sentencing
Excuses of ‘drug problems but recovering’, ‘bad backgrounds’ , early release, 100+ previous convictions, out on bail
It’s all bullish!t and everyone knows it won’t change.
You would swear the government and the media are paragons for justice the way theyre talking
They don’t give a sh!te for Paul Quinn’s mother, anymore than they care for any other average Joe who is a victim of crime, that they never comment on.
If they did there’d be a push for proper sentencing in this country.
It’s disengenous
This obvious bullish!t is doing as much for SF as was done for Trump and Brexit.
I’m not a SF/FG/FF etc supporter, just a realist.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 07:50PM

emo72 wrote: »

im just an innocent wanderer that wandered into the wrong thread:D

but jaysis, i now know how the SF fanboys feel.

Gwan de shinnerbots!

Some of us just want rid of FF/FG

is_that_so · 05-02-2020 07:51PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

There is also the chance the rte bullying of sf backfires on Saturday.

Mary Lou calmly dug a hole of her own making and jumped into it. New definition of bullying to me!

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 07:52PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

There is also the chance the rte bullying of sf backfires on Saturday.

There’s no bullying going on - well apart from in SF there a few years back. If anyone suspects that our national broadcaster is being partisan then there’s a broadcasting commission you can complain to.

It’s complete nonsense of course. This is a topical issue and is getting the coverage across the media that it deserves. If that annoys SF then so be it.

emo72 · 05-02-2020 07:52PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some of us just want rid of FF/FG

that'd be me too.

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 07:53PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Lie. Link to me victim blaming?

Eg, about an hour ago where you said Quinn wasn’t going to a study group when he went to meet his death at the hands of a bunch of psychopaths.

My word. Really.

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