General Election TV debates

05-02-2020 09:14AM

Calhoun wrote: »

It got fairly dicey at some points the anger in the room, FG if it wants to stay in power has to get across that it hears the anger from the public. It has to say it has listened and understood and i don't think that message is getting out.

Nail on head.

The reason FG are behind in the polls is their inability to empathize with the electorate. No good telling me to get a loan or gift from my parents for a deposit because they haven't a cent between them. On paper I'm well paid and so, not eligible for the help to buy scheme. In reality, after rent and bills I've a lean couple of weeks ahead of me until payday when the cycle can begin again.

FG need to tell me what they are going to do for me. Its very easy for SF to make promises. They've got no track record in power, they might renege on them or they might follow through.

FG:"The USC is a temporary tax".
FG:"we can't afford to disband the USC. Its staying"

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:14AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I think there is 6,000 listed as homeless in NI.

Just looked it up.

Proof that noone really can ever solve it.

As every country has homeless.

SF claim they can solve it though. Kind of looks a silly claim now.

If you're happy with the leader of the current government lying live on TV to deflect against his failure as leader that's fine by me.i just won't be supporting it come Saturday.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 09:16AM

smurgen wrote: »

If you're happy with the leader of the current government lying live on TV to deflect against his failure as leader that's fine by me.i just won't be supporting it come Saturday.

But you'll support Mary Lou who was blatantly caught lying on live TV last night!!

Some double standards there.

05-02-2020 09:16AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF figures , it will cost 1.2 billion

Just done a quick calculation. If you earn over 30,000 that will be 656 back in your pocket.

What I haven’t seen though is what the rate will be after that 30,000. It’s currently 4.5% up to income of 70,000.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 09:16AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Is there a leadership coup stirring within FG?

I see the Indo are running with a headline hinting at one.

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:19AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But you'll support Mary Lou who was blatantly caught lying on live TV last night!!

Some double standards there.

Never mind having pops at somebody you won't vote for anyway. What do you think of your leader being caught lying about an important issue.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:21AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

I thought this would be Mary Lou's last chance and she be gone had SF numbers gone down again,

Where do you see signs of a split?

Mortelaro · 05-02-2020 09:23AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never mind having pops at somebody you won't vote for anyway. What do you think of your leader being caught lying about an important issue.

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:26AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Billcarson · 05-02-2020 09:30AM

Rte radio, 4 random people from balbriggan asked about last nights debate and who they are voting for, 2 for sf,1 fg,1 for an independent.

Mortelaro · 05-02-2020 09:33AM

smurgen wrote: »

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Ancient history is not 13 years ago
That's an incredibly insensitive comment
MLM did not take that attitude because it wouldn't fly
She would have been rounded on even more and rightly so

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:35AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

The 'IRA' were not involved in Paul Quinn's murder as an organisation. FACT, no whatabout's. The independent international agency tasked to monitor such things The IMC, said so clearly at the time. They said, some of those involved were members of the IRA but it had no sanction at an organisational level. They also said that it was a local dispute about smuggling.

McMurphy · 05-02-2020 09:35AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

Of course there will, because party's usually switch leaders when they're surging in the polls.

SafeSurfer · 05-02-2020 09:36AM

smurgen wrote: »

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Were you expecting the mother of an RIC man beaten to death by the IRA to ring in looking for an apology for a Sinn Fein minister calling him a criminal?

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:36AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ancient history is not 13 years ago
That's an incredibly insensitive comment
MLM did not take that attitude because it wouldn't fly
She would have been rounded on even more and rightly so

It's incredible insensitive to feign outstrage at certain victims and not others. Seems like FG can celebrate certain murderers as long as the victim is ordinary Irish folk.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:40AM

smurgen wrote: »

It's incredible insensitive to feign outstrage at certain victims and not others. Seems like FG can celebrate certain murderers as long as the victim is ordinary Irish folk.

This is the own goal they have been scoring all along. Everybody knew and many here, including myself, predicted they would find a victim 'du jour' this week. And they did. If it wasn't Paul Quinn to be exploited it would have been somebody else off the list.

Sure the faux outrage will change a few minds, but they don't realise that it will change fewer and fewer and many will actually see it for what it is.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 09:41AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just done a quick calculation. If you earn over 30,000 that will be 656 back in your pocket.

What I haven’t seen though is what the rate will be after that 30,000. It’s currently 4.5% up to income of 70,000.

Unchanged, as far as i know

Billcarson · 05-02-2020 09:42AM

IRA this and IRA that and what about this and what about that and blah blah blah blah blah. **** the ira.

Whataboutery when it suits. Any attempt to bring sf through the mud As if fg dont have blood on their hands for example the cervical cancer scandal.

Necro · 05-02-2020 09:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote:

This is the own goal they have been scoring all along. Everybody knew and many here, including myself, predicted they would find a victim 'du jour' this week. And they did. If it wasn't Paul Quinn to be exploited it would have been somebody else off the list.

Francie you seem incredibly rattled today, no smilies or anything in your posts.

I mean can you just admit that Mary Lou's stumble over the SCC and Paul Quinn were gaffes instead of moving the goalposts everytime someone brings it up

Mortelaro · 05-02-2020 09:43AM

smurgen wrote: »

It's incredible insensitive to feign outstrage at certain victims and not others. Seems like FG can celebrate certain murderers as long as the victim is ordinary Irish folk.

Why didn't MLM use that tack last night or on Dobson?
You know why
Because it wouldn't wash

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:47AM

Necro wrote: »

Francie you seem incredibly rattled today, no smilies or anything in your posts.

I mean can you just admit that Mary Lou's stumble over the SCC and Paul Quinn were gaffes instead of moving the goalposts everytime someone brings it up

who is moving goalposts?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:49AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Why didn't MLM use that tack last night or on Dobson?
You know why
Because it wouldn't wash

Paul Quinn is in the debate because an RTE presenter took umbrage at a from SF MEP saying exactly that (Lynn Boylan)

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 09:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'IRA' were not involved in Paul Quinn's murder as an organisation. FACT, no whatabout's. The independent international agency tasked to monitor such things The IMC, said so clearly at the time. They said, some of those involved were members of the IRA but it had no sanction at an organisational level. They also said that it was a local dispute about smuggling.

You know something and I'm being serious. Had Mary Lou just said what you have posted above then she would not be the laughing stock that she is this morning. In one way things might not be too bad for SF because her clusterfuk of answers on Paul Quinn and the SCC detracted from SF's comic book manifesto.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 09:55AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

. They said, some of those involved were members of the IRA but it had no sanction at an organisational level. .

SF said something similar after Jerry McCabe and Ben O'Sullivan were riddled with bullets in Adare. And that was after first saying the Provos were not involved.

road_high · 05-02-2020 09:56AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lol - Still laughing at you calling it "a draw".

If ever a clearer sign was needed that MLM had her arse handed to her.

She was poor. Outside of the cheap rehearsed quips ( like mansplaining- if the others had said the same to her there’d be national uproar) there was nothing to suggest this is a person that could run the country. What was obvious again tonight is opponents need have no fear of her and debates expose the SF lies and disturbing policies very publicly and in a way they can’t control or manipulate

Mortelaro · 05-02-2020 09:58AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Paul Quinn is in the debate because an RTE presenter took umbrage at a from SF MEP saying exactly that (Lynn Boylan)

You don't know that and I think that's unlikely.
It's also another thing to be honest if said last night that wouldn't fly

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:02AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

SF said something similar after Jerry McCabe and Ben O'Sullivan were riddled with bullets in Adare. And that was after first saying the Provos were not involved.

If you wish to dispute the IMC, I'll leave you to it.

The facts are that is what they said.

Edgware · 05-02-2020 10:04AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Paul Quinn is in the debate because an RTE presenter took umbrage at a from SF MEP saying exactly that (Lynn Boylan)

Correction.
Ex M.E.P.
Another bluffer found out and dealt with by the electorate

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 10:07AM

Edgware wrote: »

Correction.
Ex M.E.P.
Another bluffer found out and dealt with by the electorate

Sorry, that 'from' was meant to say 'former'.

Faugheen · 05-02-2020 10:11AM

Question:

People who are talking about FF and FG using Paul Quinn’s murder etc etc.

Did either of them even mention Paul Quinn last night? The only reason why he’s in the news is because his mother is trying to get justice for him and Mary Lou McDonald lied about what Conor Murphy said and did in relation to it.

To say ‘the RA weren’t involved because I spoke to them and they told me they werent’ - well can you tell the PSNI or the Gardai who you spoke to so they can decide for themselves?

SF’s vigilante past has been badly exposed and it’s clear that it still present within their party.

Many people in the ABC1 polling category will not take well to something like that.

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