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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #2372
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Did you read the article?

    Did you?
    Official Chinese data of flu-caused deaths is much lower, with Chinese CDC data showing that in 2018, there were more than 700,000 cases and 144 deaths

    You quoted an "analysis"


  • #2373
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    This guy in Wuhan talks about Quarantine Certificates being required before you can be treated in hospital. Also, nontransport, no way to get there if you are sick..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtLHvNVD87M


  • #2374
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You didn't "have" to

    You chose to.

    I also didn't "have" to be sarcastic. I chose to


  • #2375
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Did you?


    You quoted an "analysis"

    So how many people died of Flu in the US.

    Not flu related... Just Flu?


  • #2376
    car_radio19834
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.


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  • #2377
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    car_radio19834 wrote: »
    Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.

    Manufactured in a bats arse.


  • #2378
    car_radio19834
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Manufactured in a bats arse.

    https://communalnews.com/breaking-do-indian-lab-results-suggest-coronavirus-is-biological-weapon/


  • #2379
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    So how many people died of Flu in the US.
    Not flu related... Just Flu?
    {In M&S voiceover}
    "This is not just Influenza A/B flu, this is 2019-nCoV, flu"

    Haven't we been through this a dozen times already...
    I.e. 0.1% vs 2.0% for the 'special' flu.


  • #2380
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    car_radio19834 wrote: »
    Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.

    I posted similar a few days ago when that theory broke. It has since been debunked and the original paper it was based on has been withdrawn.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1223417307369811968?s=19


  • #2381
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,023 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    fritzelly wrote: »
    20 French evacuated from China all showing flu symptons - see how this plays out with the other evacuees

    https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1224059468897538049?s=21

    Well that's very worrying


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  • #2382
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    {In M&S voiceover}


    Haven't we been through this a dozen times already...
    I.e. 0.1% vs 2.0% for the 'special' flu.

    I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.

    Some countries report death by flu. Others report deaths related to flu.

    There is a proper analysis in the Article but that user was selective in what they were posting. Simples


  • #2383
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.

    Some countries report death by flu. Others report deaths related to flu.

    There is a proper analysis in the Article but that user was selective in what they were posting. Simples

    And you were selective in quoting unpublished figures, you know the whole point of the original post - a bit like only 305 deaths, nothing to do with the virus because of this that and the other or being dead before they could be even tested (they don't bother testing dead people)


  • #2384
    GoneHome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Ciara Kelly has a good piece in today's Sunday Independent about this country's unpreparedness if the virus reaches here


  • #2385
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.
    Fair enough, but we simply won't have a proper idea until there are hundreds of cases in an open western country that can properly observe and report upon them.

    As an aside, Britain has just flew in another dozen or so, to stay in hotel d'wirral (almost Island like, with 3 sides on the Irish sea). But they reckon there are 30,000 brits in total over in China.


  • #2386
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    GoneHome wrote: »
    Ciara Kelly has a good piece in today's Sunday Independent about this country's unpreparedness if the virus reaches here

    Do we have those machines for oxygenating blood?


  • #2387
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Actually 36 on that French flight - 16 others who had symptoms have been sent to their home countries
    Gonna be a lot of worried people from that flight - pretty much no chance they weren't in contact with them


  • #2388
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    20% of cases who had already been in a bad enough condition to have presented themselves at a hospital and been tested. With the rate of infection, there are undountably many more infected who have not needed to go to hospital and therefore never been tested who wont be included in the numbers. Most of the deaths so far have occurred in the elderly or those with underlying conditions, the same as flu

    Having said that, there is a suspected case in my city today which is making me more nervous about it! Think it's time for a trip to costco to stock up on a few things


    Not just that, but in China you have a lot of old people going to the hospital out of fear, and people just go to the hospital rather than the GP.



    So, it's kind of a double bind of everybody who is in anyway 'bad' goes to the hospital on top of most people not bothering in general.

    Edit: Where are you located?


  • #2389
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    There’s friction between avoiding hyperbole and conjecture; and looking after yourself and your family by taking the view that governments tend to underplay trouble for a variety of reasons.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Irish authorities just sent a load of people off with a leaflet. And it would worry you given the number of cases dragged back out of China. But at the same time, how much of the “I heard” is BS coming off a chain of WhatsApp groups.

    The steps major governments are taking are not in step with just a random but minor virus, is I suppose the biggest thing to keep an eye on when deciding what steps you might need to take in preparation for it continuing.


  • #2390
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Did you?


    You quoted an "analysis"


    Why are we disbelieving the current analysis and believing the past? :P


  • #2391
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Fair enough, but we simply won't have a proper idea until there are hundreds of cases in an open western country that can properly observe and report upon them.

    As an aside, Britain has just flew in another dozen or so, to stay in hotel d'wirral (almost Island like, with 3 sides on the Irish sea). But they reckon there are 30,000 brits in total over in China.

    I agree, IMO ( and I’m guessing ) there’s 100s of thousands of people who would test positive if they went door to door in China.

    Also ( and I’m guessing ) there could be 1-2000 people dead in there apartments who lived alone who never made it to hospital.


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  • #2392
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    bilston wrote: »
    Well that's very worrying


    I'm very conspiracy theory ish lately, but they are government workers I think. So, it is in the West's best interests to isolate China.


  • #2393
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I agree, IMO ( and I’m guessing ) there’s 100s of thousands of people who would test positive if they went door to door in China.

    Also ( and I’m guessing ) there could be 1-2000 people dead in there apartments who lived alone who never made it to hospital.


    They are not testing door to door, but they are going door to door.


  • #2394
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    creditcarder wrote: »
    Yeah, it's awful but I've actually left starbucks after I saw an Asain dude...
    It was reported Starmucks has closed all it's 2,000 shops in China, Apple as also now closed all it's stores there too. Their economy will take a big step backwards if the can't control the bat-flu within the next few months.


  • #2395
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,400 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Jeez, this thread is mental.


  • #2396
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    Jeez, this thread is mental.

    Great entertainment though


  • #2397
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url




  • #2398
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    creditcarder wrote: »
    Not just that, but in China you have a lot of old people going to the hospital out of fear, and people just go to the hospital rather than the GP.



    So, it's kind of a double bind of everybody who is in anyway 'bad' goes to the hospital on top of most people not bothering in general.

    Edit: Where are you located?

    Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the super bowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.


  • #2399
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    If say this virus gets established in a larger Irish town city. Wouldn't it be best to quarantine that city? and stop the spread elsewhere.


  • #2400
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the superbowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.

    The Amity Island Mayor Vaughn syndrome. Probably what went on in the first place in Wuhan. Bets are the CCP will be sending the authorities there down in show trials when this is all over.


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  • #2401
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the superbowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.


    Vegas :O What are you up to over there?



    If you have some savings, you could probably rent a cheap place away from civilazation for a month, but, as I've said, and as absurd as this is, it might be only delaying the inevitable. It's either going to be bad or it won't


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