new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

29-01-2020 06:19PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I always wonder why some people are so quick to judge China when there are what could be considered “barbaric” practises happening in our own country. We are just distanced from them as they are behind walls so we can’t see them.

Anyone I know that has visited China have had lovely experiences with the people and the culture overall.

I'm listening to NewsTalk and they had a piece on about irish people not being friendly anymore. When I was in Shanghai people would bend over backwards to help you out. Often they hadn't a word of English and all I can say in Mandarin is count to 5 and say hello and thank you. Thank God for WeChat translate.

bb1234567 · 29-01-2020 06:20PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/evpljt/two_of_the_cases_in_france_in_ressucitation/
48 year old man in Bordeaux in a critical condition

wakka12 · 29-01-2020 06:27PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/evpljt/two_of_the_cases_in_france_in_ressucitation/
48 year old man in Bordeaux in a critical condition

The 80 year old patient is also in a critical condition.
Two other patients in their 30's in good condition.
I believe all four patients in France are Chinese nationals

29-01-2020 06:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm listening to NewsTalk and they had a piece on about irish people not being friendly anymore. When I was in Shanghai people would bend over backwards to help you out. Often they hadn't a word of English and all I can say in Mandarin is count to 5 and say hello and thank you. Thank God for WeChat translate.

Wechat translation is gold, although you'll quickly find the limits when it comes to dating.. google translate works slightly better, and is no longer blocked most of the time. I find most Chinese people to be very friendly and helpful. Some nationalism and anti-foreign sentiment in the countryside, but, by and large, it doesn't rear it's head often. TBH in most cases, where I've encountered people hostile to foreigners, with a little digging, I found personal experiences of bad behavior by foreigners... A lot of students/tourists don't respect Chinese people while they're over here.

tonysopprano · 29-01-2020 06:52PM

Ann22 wrote: »

A team of scientists in Australia says it has successfully developed a lab-grown version of coronavirus, the first to be recreated outside of China, in a breakthrough that could help combat the global spread of the illness.

The researchers at the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Melbourne said they would share the sample, which was grown from an infected patient, with the World Health Organization and laboratories around the world.

A laboratory in China had successfully grown the virus but had released only the genome sequence, not the sample itself, according to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

"Having the real virus means we now have the ability to actually validate and verify all test methods, and compare their sensitivities and specificities", the Doherty Institute's virus identification laboratory head, Julian Druce, said in a statement.

Dr Julian Druce announced the coronavirus breakthrough

"The virus will be used as positive control material for the Australian network of public health laboratories, and also shipped to expert laboratories working closely with the World Health Organization in Europe."

The flu-like virus broke out in the central Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year and has killed 132 people, infected thousands more and spread to more than a dozen other countries.

It spreads in droplets from coughs and sneezes and has an incubation period of up to 14 days.

The Australia-grown virus sample would be used to generate an antibody test, which would allow detection of the virus in patients who had not shown symptoms, as well as contributing to the creation of a vaccine, the institute said.

The virus was grown from a patient who had arrived at the institute on 24 January, it added.

The Peter Doherty Institute is a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital.

© RTÉ 2020

Wonder did they get help from the military bio-labs in Wuhan, where it was created?

circadian · 29-01-2020 06:59PM

tonysopprano wrote: »

Wonder did they get help from the military bio-labs in Wuhan, where it was created?

Take it over to conspiracies.

Spanish Eyes · 29-01-2020 07:00PM

Apart from the current outbreak of CoronaVirus, I really enjoyed reading the posts from those in China right now.

I was fortunate enough to go to China just before the crash. To me it was just SO different to anything I had experienced before. But of course that is from a tourist's eyes for sure. Took a bullet train from Beijing to Tianjen and then went to Xian and several other places that I to my embarrassment cannot remember now! It's in a journal somewhere though.

The pollution in Beijing was appalling, that was in an October. Couldn't wait to get out of it, but glad I managed to walk The Wall and see so many other places round there too. I was goggle eyed at the number of (to me then) elderly doing their exercises together in the park, can't remember what it's called but it was mesmeric. Tai Chi maybe?

Anyway, I indulged myself there, sorry for that. Hope all of you in China fare well. And let's hope it doesn't spread as much as is predicted.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-01-2020 07:05PM

Finally they are cancelling flight to and from China. (long over due)

Plus China has banned all wildlife travel inc for use of chinese medicine.

Honestly i reckon that is why china as so many outbreaks ...chinese trad medicine

Their poorly regulated wildlife trade is responsible to this latest outbreak.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-wildlife/chinas-latest-virus-outbreak-exposes-perils-of-exotic-wildlife-trade-idUSKBN1ZM0PE

Something needs to be permanently done about the widllife trade for the public health safety.

igCorcaigh · 29-01-2020 07:05PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It does seem to be relatively mild for the majority of people, especially the cases that have popped up in the west. Not that I'd want to take my chances with it but it is slightly reassuring. Seems like it could potentially just be another cold/flu type illness to add to the mix every illness season and while still dangerous for those with compromised health, not a humanity killer.

I'm a bit confused about this, I've read from the WHO that around 20% of cases have serious illness.

29-01-2020 07:08PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Something needs to be permanently done about the widllife trade for the public health safety.

I see... and how would you do that for a country the size of China, with such huge open borders, and a massive population that often believe in traditional remedies over modern science?

You seem to think that you would do better than the Chinese government, but I wonder if you really understand the difficulties involved.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-01-2020 07:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I see... and how would you do that for a country the size of China, with such huge open borders, and a massive population that often believe in traditional remedies over modern science?

You seem to think that you would do better than the Chinese government, but I wonder if you really understand the difficulties involved.

The chinese govt themselves have just done as i suggested.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/27/world/coronavirus-china-bans-wildlife-trade-trnd/index.html

For gods sake if they can get into people's bedrooms and make people have only 1 kid they can stop people smuggling turtles aka Australian style!

Oranage2 · 29-01-2020 07:16PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Finally they are cancelling flight to and from China. (long over due)

Plus China has banned all wildlife travel inc for use of chinese medicine.

Honestly i reckon that is why china as so many outbreaks ...chinese trad medicine

Their poorly regulated wildlife trade is responsible to this latest outbreak.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-wildlife/chinas-latest-virus-outbreak-exposes-perils-of-exotic-wildlife-trade-idUSKBN1ZM0PE

Something needs to be permanently done about the widllife trade for the public health safety.

I reckon after this settles that these markets will be regulated more, though it's a South China thing eating crazy animals.

creditcarder · 29-01-2020 07:17PM

Hmmm, if the high amount of disease in China turns out to be because of the pollution, will Greta Thurnberg campaign in China against big business? :P

Kind of random, but I couldn't resist.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-01-2020 07:18PM

circadian wrote: »

There's currently an outbreak of a 2009 strain of H1N1 in California that was hard on the elderly and is having similar effects this time around.

Difference is there is/has been a common seasonal jab readily available for that, (regardless of strength variation) for which the elderly/needy could access for free, or little cost.

But you're right in terms of wave mutation, it could get weaker and spread faster, or get stronger, but take down hosts quicker (as happened with the Spanish flu's 2nd wave, due to poor conditions into winter of WW1 etc.).

As someone alluded to, there is a few C'Theories starting to emmerge, some very wild ideas, and then some with a slight breadcrumb trail, of course with so many, it would need it's own seperate thread.

bodhrandude · 29-01-2020 07:18PM

Someone should throw a rock festival in Wuhan and get Corona Beer to sponsor it, there's a good chance the exposure could go viral.

:D:pac:

I'll get my coat.

ceadaoin. · 29-01-2020 07:19PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I'm a bit confused about this, I've read from the WHO that around 20% of cases have serious illness.

20% of cases who had already been in a bad enough condition to have presented themselves at a hospital and been tested. With the rate of infection, there are undountably many more infected who have not needed to go to hospital and therefore never been tested who wont be included in the numbers. Most of the deaths so far have occurred in the elderly or those with underlying conditions, the same as flu

Having said that, there is a suspected case in my city today which is making me more nervous about it! Think it's time for a trip to costco to stock up on a few things

cloudatlas · 29-01-2020 07:19PM

megatron989 wrote: »

Don't bother. Some people here seem hell bent on advising against preparing for this in any way. Sure it'll be grand they say.
Personally I will be taking steps to ensure me and mine can if necessary hunker down or at least hold up and sweat out a bad flu at home. So stocking up on some tinned and frozen / dried foods, hidration salts, whatever I can fit into the house. We already keep a supply of long shelf life foods at home.
It's no harm at all in taking these simple steps, personally I doubt it'll be needed but just in case, I'll be positioned to withstand more than I could should I do nothing now.

Think of it like the snow. They forecast it and the same lads here say it'll never happen. Then it happens and the local lidl turns all Lord of the flys. Now you wish when you'd seen the forecast you'd stocked a few loves of bread.

Sorry but food is still getting through to wuhan.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-01-2020 07:20PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I reckon after this settles that these markets will be regulated more, though it's a South China thing eating crazy animals.

Its not just eating ..some people keep bob cats monitor lizards lynxes as pets (trust fund stupid types) or they are used for medicine.

At least if you eat something you want to make sure its healthy and not diseased.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-01-2020 07:21PM

By the way the Chinese themselves have LONG expressed concern about the health and safety issues surrounding the transport of wildlife both live and dead.

This is the nail in the coffin.

branie2 · 29-01-2020 07:22PM

I hope it doesn't hit Ireland

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-01-2020 07:23PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Hmmm, if the high amount of disease in China turns out to be because of the pollution...

Pollution (even air quality) has no bearing on this incident. It's the result of improper hygine practices at a particular live/wild/mixed(wet) singular animal market in a single sub-region of China, therby causing an ideal basin for cross species viral transfer activity.

ceadaoin. · 29-01-2020 07:24PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Pollution (even air quality) has no bearing on this incident. It's the result of improper hygine practices at a particular live/wild/mixed(wet) animal market in a single sub-region of China, therby causing an ideal basin for cross species viral transfer activity.

It may have an impact on outcomes if lung function is already compromised due to poor air quality or rampant smoking though.

cloudatlas · 29-01-2020 07:29PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

To tell you the truth I have increased my smoking, getting nervous occasionally from reading this thread. :eek::eek:

My New Years resolution was to start smoking.

creditcarder · 29-01-2020 07:34PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

20% of cases who had already been in a bad enough condition to have presented themselves at a hospital and been tested. With the rate of infection, there are undountably many more infected who have not needed to go to hospital and therefore never been tested who wont be included in the numbers. Most of the deaths so far have occurred in the elderly or those with underlying conditions, the same as flu

Having said that, there is a suspected case in my city today which is making me more nervous about it! Think it's time for a trip to costco to stock up on a few things

Yeah, I read that it has a double tap or something. Where you recover, and then you get a violent resurgence. Terryfying for transmission and death rate tbh.

29-01-2020 07:34PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The chinese govt themselves have just done as i suggested.

Which is easier to do when people are afraid to go outside, or attend such markets. What do you do when people are able to go outside, travel into the countryside, or basically return to their habits from before the virus hit?

For gods sake if they can get into people's bedrooms and make people have only 1 kid they can stop people smuggling turtles aka Australian style!

The one child policy failed in many cases, and there are heaps of families in China with more than one child even before the one child policy was abolished. My ex has 8 siblings. People here seem to think that because the Chinese government is an oppressive government, that people automatically fall in line with their policies without resistance. The one child policy was broken many times, especially where the family had money, the right connections/influence, or political power.

Again.. how would you expect to manage the trade better than the government has, once the virus has gone and people once more have the freedom of movement?

thecretinhop · 29-01-2020 07:39PM

https://youtu.be/hSIt496d82s

thecretinhop · 29-01-2020 07:40PM

https://youtu.be/hSIt496d82s

very interesting... good timeline

cloudatlas · 29-01-2020 07:41PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEqybiGdaA

Insider perspective. Not enough test kits.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-01-2020 07:48PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It may have an impact on outcomes if lung function is already compromised due to poor air quality or rampant smoking though.

Air quality has no causation to aquiring nor origination, of the virus.

Anyone with it, will likely be indoors with air filtration. A cheap mini UV-ioniser (ozone optional) will only cost $20notes and improve room airquality by reducing dust and airborne particulates, followed with a spin of the hoover.

One positive effect is the downgrade in demand of many flights in the region (except chartered style evacuations).

circadian · 29-01-2020 07:54PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Air quality has no causation to aquiring nor origination, of the virus.

Anyone with it, will likely be indoors with air filtration. A cheap mini UV-ioniser (ozone optional) will only cost $20notes and improve room airquality by reducing dust and airborne particulates, followed with a spin of the hoover.

One positive effect is the downgrade in demand of many flights in the region (except chartered style evacuations).

I think you're missing the point being made here. Continual very poor air quality will have a long term negative effect on lung function. With lungs and general health being affected by pollution makes fighting this virus harder.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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