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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #1772
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Have experts outside China even speculated about the death rate?

    Yep. Some people on twitter said over a million people were infected.


  • #1773
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    If the power goes out you'll have to use candles and the frozen food will have spoiled, factor in people starting to loot and set fire to the local stores, if I were you i'd buy an extra power generator and a spare pair of pants.

    Your hilarious - have you thought about a career in comedy.

    Im going to pm people to come look at your post, you will get more thanks then and you will be delighted with yourself.

    Anyone any actual practical responses?
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    http://slaneyfishing.com




  • #1774
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    If the power goes out you'll have to use candles and the frozen food will have spoiled, factor in people starting to loot and set fire to the local stores, if I were you i'd buy an extra power generator and a spare pair of pants.
    It depends what you're preparing for. I'm preparing to minimize potential exposure to the virus by not needing to leave my house for a month or two. Your scenario sounds a somewhat more apocalyptic.

    If you want to be able to defend against bands of raiders you need people, dogs or guns. The first are unlikely to want to organize into militias this early on account of the absence of a current apocalypse. The second need to be fed and walked for the next decade or longer. The third are illegal and not easily available.


  • #1775
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,400 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1222612869260333056

    Just some reporters backing up the story that deaths are not being reported


  • #1776
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    ardinn wrote: »
    Your hilarious - have you thought about a career in comedy.

    Im going to pm people to come look at your post, you will get more thanks then and you will be delighted with yourself.

    Anyone any actual practical responses?
    Ffp3 masks. Only 50% worked properly according to a study I found, and even then only if the seal/fit is perfect. But if they do work as intended they reduce exposure by 99%

    Stocking up on the following:
    Baby formula. Tinned food. Alcohol hand rub. Toilet paper.

    Generator is something we were already considering.

    72 hour kits. A backpack per person with space blanket, food etc designed to survive 72 hours without other sources of food/shelter etc.


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  • #1777
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Ffp3 masks. Only 50% worked properly according to a study I found, and even then only if the seal/fit is perfect. But if they do work as intended they reduce exposure by 99%

    Stocking up on the following:
    Baby formula. Tinned food. Alcohol hand rub. Toilet paper.

    Generator is something we were already considering.

    72 hour kits. A backpack per person with space blanket, food etc designed to survive 72 hours without other sources of food/shelter etc.
    Become a mormon. Mormons maintain readiness for the end of days and they organize themselves pretty well in group endeavors.


  • #1778
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Going on previous doses I've had down the years, how mild my symptoms were compared to some and how quickly I sloughed them off I'm not going to be over concerned TBH. Now if it had the virulence and mortality of smallpox or plague I'd have a very different attitude, but it doesn't as far as we know so far. Not even close.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1779
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,743 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    72 hour kits. A backpack per person with space blanket, food etc designed to survive 72 hours without other sources of food/shelter etc.

    Why would you need this? Unless theres a possibilty for an earthquake or other natural disaster it seems a bit extreme tbh


  • #1780
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    It depends what you're preparing for. I'm preparing to minimize potential exposure to the virus by not needing to leave my house for a month or two...
    Sounds fairly practical, as always hope for the best, prepare for the not so best.

    The SHTF thread can get a bit overboard, still no harm incase one of those supervolcanoes go off, or stadium size asteroid makes a touch down.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056466228&page=71


  • #1781
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I knew it would cause friction. The WHO statement against closing borders.

    We can see an ad hoc approach by different countries... This is wrong.


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  • #1782
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Sounds fairly practical, as always hope for the best, prepare for the not so best.

    The SHTF thread can get a bit overboard, still no harm incase one of those supervolcanoes go off, or stadium size asteroid makes a touch down.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056466228&page=71

    If a super volcano or a asteroid hits you'll need more than a 72hr kit. Overkill people.


  • #1783
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Going on previous doses I've had down the years, how mild my symptoms were compared to some and how quickly I sloughed them off I'm not going to be over concerned TBH. Now if it had the virulence and mortality of smallpox or plague I'd have a very different attitude, but it doesn't as far as we know so far. Not even close.

    I was fishing last year and fell into the river - Stupidly I didnt go home, I stayed fishing for a few more hrs instead of going home for a shower etc.

    2 days later, at around 3am - I woke up in a sweat and started to shake - I shook so badly after a few minutes I got my phone to call an ambulance but I wasnt physically able to hold it, I managed to get to the bathroom - I was on fire, and lay on the tiles for a while trying to cool myself down, the shaking subsided slightly and I took aspirin and paracetamol and waited to see how I felt, If I didnt improve I was calling 999.

    I did after about 30mins to an hr, return to a reasonably normal state of sickness, got back into bed and was able to sleep, next day was ok and the day after I was fine, but I will never ever forget the way I shook that night.

    I dont really get terribly fluey, and as you say can shake it reasonably quickly, but I got a big fright that night.

    The videos of people dying from corona and shaking uncontrollably took me back, terribly frightening.

    Can you imagine If you were at home during an outbreak, and knew hospitals were exploding with patients and you would never possibly be seen and the thought, "the best thing you can do is stay at home and hopefully not die" enters your mind, again, terrifying!
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  • #1784
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    ardinn wrote: »
    Your hilarious - have you thought about a career in comedy.

    Im going to pm people to come look at your post, you will get more thanks then and you will be delighted with yourself.

    Anyone any actual practical responses?

    Do you live in China?


  • #1785
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    So on another note, anyone know if there is any truth that china is reporting cause of death as pneumonia and not cv, which is why the DR is so low? Technically they would be correct, but.....

    Just watched a twitter vid (I know) of 8 bodies being removed from wards put into body bags and into a van to be sent straight for cremation.

    Id love to find the mean between the actual and the hype, we are certainly not being told the truth, but all you have on the other side is hysteria and scaremongering. I dont think any information, be it on the net, the news, or even the WHO is factual at this point!
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  • #1786
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    good first aid kits. The last thing you want is to have to go into an a&e for an avoidable reason. Adaptic non-stick wound dressing is very useful but not in all pharmacies.


  • #1787
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Do you live in China?

    Can you give me your responses to both scenarios of a "yes" and "no" answer please
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  • #1788
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    Dunno about that but there is a strain of corona virus that is called the human corona virus. It causes the common cold.

    Indeed I was reading up about cancer in cats, as my cat currently has cancer (of a type that should be fixed by surgery) and I saw where it is possible for a human Coronavirus, that normally just causes a common cold in people, to pass on to cats and mutate into a deadly carcinogen. Hence the advice is for cat owners to keep their distance from their pets when suffering from a cold.


  • #1789
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ardinn wrote: »
    Can you imagine If you were at home during an outbreak, and knew hospitals were exploding with patients and you would never possibly be seen and the thought, "the best thing you can do is stay at home and hopefully not die" enters your mind, again, terrifying!
    I dunno A, though I can certainly become anxious over the silliest things, things that most normal folks would rightfully seem daft. when it gets really serious I've an odd fatalistic streak in me. When my time's up, my time's up sorta thing.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1790
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    ardinn wrote: »
    So on another note, anyone know if there is any truth that china is reporting cause of death as pneumonia and not cv, which is why the DR is so low? Technically they would be correct, but.....

    One wonders what the level of deaths for pneumonia this year versus average year is tracking at for Wuhan...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1791
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Also with Influenza, vaccination is available. I get the vaccine annually, not alone does it help prevent getting the infection but if you do it cuts it short into a brief 36 hour fever with a dry cough that disappears within 4 days.

    In 2018 I got the vaccination later than I usually do, and 8 days later was travelling via Qatar when I had a close encounter with a man who looked dreadfully I well and was coughing. About 36 hours later I suddenly went down with what I believe to have been Influenza recognised from rare past occasions.Took to the bed shivering and shaking with mother of headaches, bone pains, dry cough. Thought I was in for a two to three week illness, when after 20 hours in bed I quite dramatically began to start feeling better. After 36 hours I was completely back to normal but for a dry cough that faded over the next days. I checked the influenza reporting website and saw that there was a concentration in Qatar and UAE. Was so very thankful to have had the vaccine which must likely in this case enabled me to be back in my feet in no time. I could see how the vaccine is a real life-saver to those who would be especially vulnerable to life-threatening complications. I started getting the vaccine at a time in the past when I was in immune-suppressive medication, but seeing how it kept me free from the very nasty bite of influenza over the years I made a habit of always getting it.

    We are a long way from getting a vaccine for any Coronavirus, most especially because the usual target for vaccines is not to be found on this group of viruses
    Flu vaccine is only partially effective.

    We still don't have a vaccine for SARS which is 85% identical and was issue nearly 20 years ago.

    Working on vaccine is just a way to ease public fear.
    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    I've read the death rate is 2%, or 27% without significant medical intervention. You are saying that that is of all detected infections and not just the resolved cases. I find this alarming - would you please provide your source?

    All but a handful of ~140 cases outside China so far have only shown moderate symptoms. A mortality rate of ~30% and we should be seeing quite a few deaths already.

    Even outside Hubei province there are 4,700 confirmed cases with 10 deaths and 400 odd in serious or critical condition.


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  • #1792
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I dunno A, though I can certainly become anxious over the silliest things, things that most normal folks would rightfully seem daft. when it gets really serious I've an odd fatalistic streak in me. When my time's up, my time's up sorta thing.

    I'm the same. If it's time to go, it's time to go. It doesn't mean I'd be happy to go.. Far from it. But viruses don't discriminate or care about who or what you are. It's winning the lottery in reverse.


  • #1793
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Flu vaccine is only partially effective.

    We still don't have a vaccine for SARS which is 85% identical and was issue nearly 20 years ago.

    Working on vaccine is just a way to ease public fear.



    All but a handful of ~140 cases outside China so far have only shown moderate symptoms. A mortality rate of ~30% and we should be seeing quite a few deaths already.

    Even outside Hubei province there are 4,700 confirmed cases with 10 deaths and 400 odd in serious or critical condition.

    The case study of the first US patient tells a not so pretty story, maybe an outlier but 35 years old, pretty healthy, got pneumonia after mild symptoms. I don't think there's been enough time (in the cases outside China) to say give the impression it's mostly moderate symptoms. We are what, a week and half since first international case?


  • #1794
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Virus confirmed in Boston
    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/first-reported-case-of-coronavirus-in-massachusetts/2070535/

    Some notable epidemiological events in the last day:
    In France, for the first time outside China, a healthcare worker was diagnosed as being ill with 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease. The health worker treated two patients who were later identified as probable cases.

    The first instance of third-generation human-to-human transmission outside China has been identified, in an individual who was exposed to a confirmed case from the cluster in Bavaria, Germany.

    For the first time, a case was exported from a country other than China: a patient was identified in South Korea following their exposure in Japan to a confirmed case.

    In the last 24 hours, additional instances of human-to-human transmission outside China were reported: in Japan, a tour guide who is part of the same cluster of Japanese cases who had contact with tourists from Wuhan; in Germany, a case that is part of the cluster in Bavaria; and in Thailand, a taxi driver who had no travel history to China.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ex9sx4/notable_epidemiological_events_reported_in_the/


  • #1795
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Become a mormon. Mormons maintain readiness for the end of days and they organize themselves pretty well in group endeavors.

    And they all go to Mormon Heaven to live an eternal life of Mormon wholesomeness and strict (ahem) monogamy (ahem).


  • #1796
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Canonfan wrote: »
    Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

    A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.


    Option 1: Gotta put China down due to trade war.



    Option 2: The article is deflecting.


  • #1797
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Watching more twitter (I really should stop) 2 things striking me

    China is (and this is clear) welding the doors of people who are suspected of infection closed - madness - how do you report a death there - can been seen in numerous apartments and i pray they dont have a fire!

    Videos of more people dropping - new ones, generally people queing for pharmacies etc. They all seem to have blood around the ground near them - Is pneumonia or similar know to cause the coughing up of blood?
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  • #1798
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    little bess wrote: »
    I’m wondering about supplies that come from China, could there be shortages in the coming weeks? I know my medication is manufactured there, I’m thinking of getting several months supplies if I can, or am I being too worried here?!

    If most Chinese factories are closed for extended periods, anything made in China is going to start becoming less available as existing stocks outside of China are depleted.

    I don't sell a lot of stuff that's made in China, but I'm going to stock up on it just to be on the safe side.

    If I was you, reliant on medicine made in China, I'd stock up.


  • #1799
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Virus confirmed in Boston
    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/first-reported-case-of-coronavirus-in-massachusetts/2070535/

    Some notable epidemiological events in the last day:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ex9sx4/notable_epidemiological_events_reported_in_the/

    The thing about the health worker is we are assuming the western countries have a couple of people in state of the art facilities and everything is fine (until it isn't). The thing is the numbers suggest that are so many in europe right now and in the last few days who had no symptoms but carried the virus. We are no more immune to that danger. Yea once you get it you're much better off in europe, but we aren't that much less susceptible to spreading it unknowingly.


  • #1800
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    ardinn wrote: »
    Watching more twitter (I really should stop) 2 things striking me

    China is (and this is clear) welding the doors of people who are suspected of infection closed - madness - how do you report a death there - can been seen in numerous apartments and i pray they dont have a fire!

    Videos of more people dropping - new ones, generally people queing for pharmacies etc. They all seem to have blood around the ground near them - Is pneumonia or similar know to cause the coughing up of blood?

    You are the first person ive seen claiming this about the doors and all such videos should be taken with a grain of salt


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  • #1801
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,400 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    ardinn wrote: »
    So on another note, anyone know if there is any truth that china is reporting cause of death as pneumonia and not cv, which is why the DR is so low? Technically they would be correct, but.....

    Just watched a twitter vid (I know) of 8 bodies being removed from wards put into body bags and into a van to be sent straight for cremation.

    Id love to find the mean between the actual and the hype, we are certainly not being told the truth, but all you have on the other side is hysteria and scaremongering. I dont think any information, be it on the net, the news, or even the WHO is factual at this point!

    This guy goes on a bit but it's good

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhgtRhWh240


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