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John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado



    On a side note...have they fired JDs enforcer yet or is he sticking to his chair???

    Id love to know what his job is now that he isn't JDs lackey .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    yabadabado wrote: »
    I think you may have jumped to conclusions there before you seen all the info.
    It is a bailout but not without a lot of condition's attached.


    imo opinion its probably the best that could be done, I don't think anyone wanted the association to go bust, it could have had some dire consequences that wouldn't be fixed just by starting up again in a few weeks under a new name.

    The best thing that could've been done would've been to let them go to the wall. The state should only be stepping in to save industries that are vital to the national interest. Is the FAI really that important? They couldn't save the few hundred jobs in Waterford Glass, so what makes a couple of hundred coaching jobs so special?

    Every other large sporting organisation can now consider themselves too big to fail now. They can also reasonable expect their grants to double.


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    yabadabado wrote: »
    I don't think anyone wanted the association to go bust, it could have had some dire consequences that wouldn't be fixed just by starting up again in a few weeks under a new name.

    I know a fair few who would have let it go bust. LoI fans who go to games week in week out and are very engaged in the club game here, but after years of mismanagement are just tired of the whole show.

    I'm not saying they're right or wrong, merely that there was an alternative view and saving it was not seen as the only show in town by all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    I know a fair few who would have let it go bust. LoI fans who go to games week in week out and are very engaged in the club game here, but after years of mismanagement are just tired of the whole show.

    I'm not saying they're right or wrong, merely that there was an alternative view and saving it was not seen as the only show in town by all.

    As a LOI fan that would have been a disaster. Clubs would be banned from european competition. Saving the FAI like they have with putting more emphasis on LOI development is certainly a better situation for LOI clubs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I hope we'll see greater engagement with the media from now on. I would have liked that as a condition. The contempt with which the old guard treated questioning by journalists was a disgrace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    The best thing that could've been done would've been to let them go to the wall. The state should only be stepping in to save industries that are vital to the national interest. Is the FAI really that important? They couldn't save the few hundred jobs in Waterford Glass, so what makes a couple of hundred coaching jobs so special?

    Every other large sporting organisation can now consider themselves too big to fail now. They can also reasonable expect their grants to double.

    If the FAI went bust today were we looking at no LoI in 2020,no amateur/kids leagues,no international fixtures ,no euro 2020 games in Dublin?

    How long until a new FA could be formed and would they be accepted into UEFA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    yabadabado wrote: »
    If the FAI went bust today were we looking at no LoI in 2020,no amateur/kids leagues,no international fixtures ,no euro 2020 games in Dublin?

    How long until a new FA could be formed and would they be accepted into UEFA?
    All those leagues could still run, they all are their own organisations affiliated to the fai. They would just lose the affiliation. The international teams would be gone in the short term but once a new organisation with proper structures and funding was in place UEFA would accept it. It would be a few years of hard pain at the top but I think it would have been worth it. A new organisation with a ground up ethos could be run much better, as it is we’ll be getting a few new bodies at the top and the rest will be staying similar to what we had. They need to be looking at the structures of the other 2 major field sport organisations and even the ones at smaller sports like cricket and hockey which have been delivering far more than their player pool numbers would have expected. Also to look abroad at other models that deliver like Iceland. A two year hiatus whilst a new body funded short term by the state to look at the best practice elsewhere and get structures in place would I think have benefited soccer in the long run whilst admittedly being a short term massive blow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    yabadabado wrote: »
    Id love to know what his job is now that he isn't JDs lackey .

    Who is this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    salmocab wrote: »
    All those leagues could still run, they all are their own organisations affiliated to the fai. They would just lose the affiliation. The international teams would be gone in the short term but once a new organisation with proper structures and funding was in place UEFA would accept it. It would be a few years of hard pain at the top but I think it would have been worth it. A new organisation with a ground up ethos could be run much better, as it is we’ll be getting a few new bodies at the top and the rest will be staying similar to what we had. They need to be looking at the structures of the other 2 major field sport organisations and even the ones at smaller sports like cricket and hockey which have been delivering far more than their player pool numbers would have expected. Also to look abroad at other models that deliver like Iceland. A two year hiatus whilst a new body funded short term by the state to look at the best practice elsewhere and get structures in place would I think have benefited soccer in the long run whilst admittedly being a short term massive blow.

    That can all be done without disbanding the organisation.
    The organisation's biggest issues were a few key people at the top. As I've said many times before the right people in the right positions with proper governance is the answer and that looks to be happening
    It's the same grassroots people that will be involved and once the top level and governance are sorted out which is happening things will improve. Going bust with 50 million odd in debt(some of these to suppliers and creditors the 'new' organisation is going to have to work with) is foolish if it can be avoided.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    They've also said that there'll be fuck all consequences for the organization if they fail again. Seemingly the FAI, like the banks, is too important to fail.


    Rightly so. JD and his 2 other ould board mates milked the FAI and organised things so that they could get things passed without the rest of the board being interested it seems. They were all on the gravy train regardless of what they say and it is not time for that to change....its last chance saloon. Never again can the FAI fail to fully support its national league, nor can the board be silent and refuse to answer or ask uncomfortable questions.

    yabadabado wrote: »
    Id love to know what his job is now that he isn't JDs lackey .


    Uhu Super Glue....he is stuck to his seat. He was only following orders from Kim Dong Delany. Added to that if they fire him too soon he could destroy the image of the FAI as he surely knows the secrets.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    kippy wrote: »
    That can all be done without disbanding the organisation.
    The organisation's biggest issues were a few key people at the top. As I've said many times before the right people in the right positions with proper governance is the answer and that looks to be happening
    It's the same grassroots people that will be involved and once the top level and governance are sorted out which is happening things will improve. Going bust with 50 million odd in debt(some of these to suppliers and creditors the 'new' organisation is going to have to work with) is foolish if it can be avoided.

    Oh I’ve no doubt things will improve but I feel they would improve a whole lot more if the sport was effectively rebuilt. The various leagues and organisations are still there with the same people in charge. I’m not sure many were doing good jobs up to now regardless of the car crash the association was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Liberta Per Gli Ultra


    1. Tell SI salary of all staff
    2. Anyone on council over 10 years to go this year
    3. Commit to the CEO's pay remaining in line with govt pay guidelines
    4. Increase to 6 independant directors
    5. Prevent previous board members joining committees
    6. Prevent reduncancies
    7. 5 Year plan for LOI
    8. help LoI clubs applu for capital funding to improving stadia

    "So lads, the government wants us to feign an interest in the League of Ireland when we're not watching Premier League highlights on our phones. So, by a show of hands, are we handing the league over to that tech guy and the data miners, or are we giving it to Niall and his friends at Redstrike?" "Aguero just scored".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    salmocab wrote: »
    Oh I’ve no doubt things will improve but I feel they would improve a whole lot more if the sport was effectively rebuilt. The various leagues and organisations are still there with the same people in charge. I’m not sure many were doing good jobs up to now regardless of the car crash the association was.

    There are lots of people in the organisation doing good jobs. Given the right support and direction things could be so much better. There are no doubt a few who are at those levels that aren't doing a good job but that's why you need the right people in the right positions higher up the chain. To improve things.
    Disbanding the organisation would not necessarily mean the same people don't end up in those roles and also leaves you with lots and lots of job losses and a shed load more bills as well as all of the bad relations with those creditors you've screwed over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    one of the conditions should have been that fran gavin must go!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    shanec1928 wrote: »
    one of the conditions should have been that fran gavin must go!

    It's sure been one long, quiet winter for one of Delaney's biggest fanboys. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    shanec1928 wrote: »
    one of the conditions should have been that fran gavin must go!
    He's a Noel King-esque job for life type yes man.
    He should be booted out immediately.
    He's been hiding behind his job title of "Director of FAI Competitions". Which means he can say he's not the head of the LOI. It's just one of the competitions he's the head of.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Brilliant. Any chance she can fleece him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭topmanamillion



    Written by someone that was most likely drinking crystal with the two of them not too long ago.

    "She often accompanied him on his travels, including to the Euro 2016 finals in France"

    Makes it sound like there was hardship involved in being wined and dined by UEFA. Reality is she had no business being at half the events she went to. She gave him the boot when the party ended.
    Another leech on Irish football. It'd be very interesting to see how much she drained out of the FAI expense account over the 5 years she was playing tonsil tennis with him for the cameras.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Lads was it the fame, money or looks??? He still has his looks so it must have been........his looks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭mugsymugsy



    I'm shocked and feel sad for John....who would have thought she was only after him for money, status etc

    Karma for him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭u140acro3xs7dm



    I genuinely got angry reading that. An absolute leech, leeching off a leech, and pictures of them with Pat Hickey, another leech. She is what they call a gold digging whore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    I genuinely got angry reading that. An absolute leech, leeching off a leech, and pictures of them with Pat Hickey, another leech. She is what they call a gold digging whore.

    You sound surprised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Written by someone that was most likely drinking crystal with the two of them not too long ago.

    "She often accompanied him on his travels, including to the Euro 2016 finals in France"

    Makes it sound like there was hardship involved in being wined and dined by UEFA. Reality is she had no business being at half the events she went to. She gave him the boot when the party ended.
    Another leech on Irish football. It'd be very interesting to see how much she drained out of the FAI expense account over the 5 years she was playing tonsil tennis with him for the cameras.

    Haven’t read it but assume it’s a Barry Egan type puff piece, if it’s not even penned by Barry himself. Barry being the man behind the “John The Baptist” atrocity, as well as constantly updating the nation on the love lives of various people such as Gerald Keane, Lisa Murphy, Glenda Gilson, Eoghan McDermott et al.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    I genuinely got angry reading that. An absolute leech, leeching off a leech, and pictures of them with Pat Hickey, another leech. She is what they call a gold digging whore.

    She ain't messin with no broke..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,656 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    It was true love till the money went

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Heard somewhere yesterday that she officially left him over a year ago, end of 2018 begining of 2019.....could she be the one who blew his whistle?? He is supposed to have let her down.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Heard somewhere yesterday that she officially left him over a year ago, end of 2018 begining of 2019.....could she be the one who blew his whistle?? He is supposed to have let her down.......

    No, his ex-wife was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭overpronator


    Let her down?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,656 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Let her down?

    Had no money left for the Blue Pill.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



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