new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup. It often is. Also incredibly civilized too. It's a country of extremes.

Have you been here yet? (not simply as a tourist)

No. not sure Id want To to be honest.

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you been here yet? (not simply as a tourist)

has anyone ever really 'been' anywhere, y'know?

Deleted User wrote: »

Then your opinion is based on the media and 'hot air'. Come to China for a decent period of time and acquire a real opinion based on your own experiences... You'll find it to be a lot different than what is presented in Western media.

You called it Amazingly ****ing barbaric... you really should see it for yourself before throwing out such a statement.

Same posters probably call Ireland a 3rd world country, I wouldn't take notice of it. Your input in this thread has been super btw, cheers!

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

If you haven't already, give up the aul fags (smoking).

To tell you the truth I have increased my smoking, getting nervous occasionally from reading this thread. :eek::eek:

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Re smoking, I was surprised to read that a good majority of chinese men are smokers (something like 60%) while only 3% of women are. I'm sure that doesn't help things and I'm sure I also read that most of the fatalities so far have been men. Coincidence?

clever user name wrote: »

This! Not so much the elephant in the room as I think everyone is generally aware of the pollution in China, especially during winter. But one has to actually experience it to get an idea of how bad it can be.

Pic: Picture from my window, a random day last week (or this week, don't really remember). And no, that ain't fog.

Also, that pollution looks awful, how can you stand it? Or do you just get used to it after a while?

Definitely not a coincidence if pneumonia is the killer.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm out in Weiyang university district, so there's not much pollution. Where are you based?

But yes, it can be pretty nasty at times.

About 10 mins walk from Nanshaomen. Love Xi'an, but miss Dalian winters.

That pollution looks awful, how can you stand it? Or do you just get used to it after a while? Are you not worried for you longterm health living in those conditions?

You get used to it in a sense, though some places are worse than others. I just wear a mask when it's bad. Anywhere in the north of China in the winter is gonna have its bad days, even coastal cities. I spent 6 months in the South East and that was night and day.

wakka12 wrote: »

New case confirmed in Finland.

All 4 infected patients in Munich doing very well, apparently asymptomatic.

It does seem to be relatively mild for the majority of people, especially the cases that have popped up in the west. Not that I'd want to take my chances with it but it is slightly reassuring. Seems like it could potentially just be another cold/flu type illness to add to the mix every illness season and while still dangerous for those with compromised health, not a humanity killer.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice. Want to meet up for hot pot and beers after the crisis?

I too miss Dalian, although it's a decade since I was there last. Fun nightlife.

Dalian has gotten boring to be honest, but I miss the blue skies and crisp cold in winter. Does have a certain charm to it though. Xi'an in much more my kinda city though. I like sitting down on the street eating noodles at 3am. Try doing that in Dalian now :pac: And yeah, definitely up for hot pot and beers, my two favourite things.

wakka12 wrote: »

Outside of Hubei, the death rate appears to be around 0.3%, almost the exact same as seasonal flu. Based on around 2500 cases, with 8 deaths. While in Hubei and Wuhan the date rate is much much higher, 3-4%, if the death rate of the disease is truly that high, then that is very serious and the panic is warranted. It is odd that the disease appears to be so much more dangerous in Wuhan, why could that be?

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/evobbb/current_death_rate_outside_of_hubei_is_0003/

I eluded to this in a previous post, and I may be completely wrong, but I would say it's to do with the sheer number of people infected in one city. Other cities/provinces have the ability/manpower to cope with a 100 patients. Try dealing with 10-20 times that many, as well as the usual everyday ailments. That's what sticks out to me.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The true numbers of infected in those regions has to be way higher than the official count. Anyone who hasn't sought medical attention wont be included in the numbers right? Its probably 10s or even 100s of thousands, most of whom are asymptomatic or dealing with it at home like they would a cold or flu. If someone is presenting at a hospital then chances are they are in a serious condition anyway and therefore more likely to have a bad outcome. Could that skew the numbers?

Seems to be the thinking alright. If it's bad enough they present to hospital, a smaller number will be put in ICU and then a smaller number again will get acute respiratory distress syndrome of which some will die. I'd imagine there are plenty at home fending it off like any other viral infection.

I'm wondering if the 36 year old who died may have had an underlying condition that hasn't been diagnosed. I can't see any meaningful autopsy being done in the midst of the chaos right now.

Also worth noting that it's possible to his could become a seasonal flu. Usually through natural selection the less deadly strains will survive since they don't kill their hosts. HIV has become much less destructive due to advances in medicine and weaker strains becoming more common.

There's currently an outbreak of a 2009 strain of H1N1 in California that was hard on the elderly and is having similar effects this time around.