new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

igCorcaigh · 29-01-2020 09:52AM

The economic effects of this could be huge.

odyssey06 · 29-01-2020 09:54AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The economic effects of this could be huge.

Already starting...

"Coronavirus fears hit global shares and oil price"
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51262450

ednwireland · 29-01-2020 09:56AM

Nijmegen wrote: »

British Airways has suspended all flights to and from China till the end of February. I imagine a few more will follow like that. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-britain-ba-idUKKBN1ZS0OD

probably no-one on them

Ficheall · 29-01-2020 10:19AM

Came back through Birmingham yesterday, forgetting that a significant portion of the population is Chinese. Some guy there who came back from Wuhan with a flu at the start of the year is being tested. Time to stock the larder when I get home.. ðŸ€”

Nijmegen · 29-01-2020 10:28AM

ednwireland wrote: »

probably no-one on them

Except people trying to get out... I wouldn’t be surprised if a few expats wake up now with the idea that their route out might be shutting down. As it is you can’t get out of China by land to a number of countries.

29-01-2020 10:42AM

Nijmegen wrote: »

Except people trying to get out... I wouldn’t be surprised if a few expats wake up now with the idea that their route out might be shutting down. As it is you can’t get out of China by land to a number of countries.

Very few foreigners ever travel by land from China to another country, so it's not a big deal.

And this fear of becoming stuck is being overhyped in many ways. Turkish airlines is still flying from Xi'an direct to many European cities. As are Beijing capital airlines. And that's without counting the airlines like KLM who have longer routes.

I suspect we will see some of them shut down eventually but other routes will remain open.

volchitsa · 29-01-2020 10:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Very few foreigners ever travel by land from China to another country, so it's not a big deal.

From Hong Kong to mainland China is not uncommon though, that's how we were mean to be going there next month. Seems like it's out of the question now, with the border possibly being closed, but the airlines, including Chinese ones are only refunding for what they call mainland China. So much for one country, eh?

clever user name · 29-01-2020 11:33AM

Things starting to get a bit more troublesome here (in Xi'an) in terms of day to day stuff. Buses are gone, the subway is still open (for now), but they've closed a bunch of the exits (weird). Need to show your ID when taking the subway (made this mistake yesterday lol). They're also checking peoples temperatures at the entrances. Didi is gone, China's version of Uber/Hailo. That means taxis are pretty busy and not easy to get. Shops/supermarkets are ok at the moment for most things, but it's harder to find bread and vegetables. I spent an hour today looking for onions, didn't find them. There goes my plans to make a nice stew :pac:. Masks? HA, good luck finding one of them. Most restaurants are closed. While this is not entirely unusual given it's still the New Year holiday, it's still far more than the norm. Talk of shops and supermarkets being replenished in the coming days, we'll see about that. All of this seems to be pretty much standard for most parts of China now. Government is urging places to close to help stop the spread.

So not tooooooo many issues at the moment, most people are just staying inside. Things will no doubt get worse in the short term. Long term, who knows. Hopefully things start to at least take a turn for the better in the next 3/4? weeks

Ann22 · 29-01-2020 11:41AM

A team of scientists in Australia says it has successfully developed a lab-grown version of coronavirus, the first to be recreated outside of China, in a breakthrough that could help combat the global spread of the illness.

The researchers at the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Melbourne said they would share the sample, which was grown from an infected patient, with the World Health Organization and laboratories around the world.

A laboratory in China had successfully grown the virus but had released only the genome sequence, not the sample itself, according to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

"Having the real virus means we now have the ability to actually validate and verify all test methods, and compare their sensitivities and specificities", the Doherty Institute's virus identification laboratory head, Julian Druce, said in a statement.

Dr Julian Druce announced the coronavirus breakthrough

"The virus will be used as positive control material for the Australian network of public health laboratories, and also shipped to expert laboratories working closely with the World Health Organization in Europe."

The flu-like virus broke out in the central Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year and has killed 132 people, infected thousands more and spread to more than a dozen other countries.

It spreads in droplets from coughs and sneezes and has an incubation period of up to 14 days.

The Australia-grown virus sample would be used to generate an antibody test, which would allow detection of the virus in patients who had not shown symptoms, as well as contributing to the creation of a vaccine, the institute said.

The virus was grown from a patient who had arrived at the institute on 24 January, it added.

The Peter Doherty Institute is a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital.

© RTÉ 2020

29-01-2020 11:54AM

volchitsa wrote: »

From Hong Kong to mainland China is not uncommon though, that's how we were mean to be going there next month. Seems like it's out of the question now, with the border possibly being closed, but the airlines, including Chinese ones are only refunding for what they call mainland China. So much for one country, eh?

HK is part of China now, so it's not a "country". Even before, going from Shenzhen to HK wasn't a big deal, and hardly considered to be going to another country.

When talking about land travel from China, people usually talk about the immediate neighbors like Russia, or India. Land travel is rare because it takes forever considering the poor infrastructure and lack of dense populations near the border areas.

Air travel has always been the most common way of getting to and from Mainland China, with sea travel (cruises) coming up second.

pc7 · 29-01-2020 11:58AM

[QUOTE=clever user name;112385061 Shops/supermarkets are ok at the moment for most things, but it's harder to find bread and vegetables. I spent an hour today looking for onions, didn't find them. [/QUOTE]

Could you do a huge shop and get ingredients to make bread? Oat bread even? just to tie you over. Must be quite nerve wracking, stay safe.

29-01-2020 11:59AM

clever user name wrote: »

So not tooooooo many issues at the moment, most people are just staying inside. Things will no doubt get worse in the short term. Long term, who knows. Hopefully things start to at least take a turn for the better in the next 3/4? weeks

From what I've heard, everyone is waiting for the weather to heat up, and until then, everything is going to be shut down. So.. another month and a bit before any useful amount of heat.

I'd recommend getting out. While the Chinese can manage the various hoops to jump through, and have the network of contacts to gain knowledge of where to get food, foreigners will be left out of the loop. I wouldn't want to be stuck in Xi'an during the whole period.

pc7 · 29-01-2020 12:05PM

Klaz are you going to leave for a bit?

bb12 · 29-01-2020 12:06PM

Irish people now being advised to avoid 'all non-essential travel' to China due to coronavirus

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-advice-travelling-coronavirus-china-4984300-Jan2020/

29-01-2020 12:08PM

pc7 wrote: »

Klaz are you going to leave for a bit?

Leave? I'm back in Ireland now. Returned last Thursday. Originally planned for just a month, but my university has announced that the next semester won't be starting on schedule, so I'll likely stay out until a green light is given.

pc7 · 29-01-2020 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Leave? I'm back in Ireland now. Returned last Thursday. Originally planned for just a month, but my university has announced that the next semester won't be starting on schedule, so I'll likely stay out until a green light is given.

Oh that's great, good you are home. Hopefully your friends and colleagues over there manage to stay well.

Oranage2 · 29-01-2020 12:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

HK is part of China now, so it's not a "country". Even before, going from Shenzhen to HK wasn't a big deal, and hardly considered to be going to another country.

When talking about land travel from China, people usually talk about the immediate neighbors like Russia, or India. Land travel is rare because it takes forever considering the poor infrastructure and lack of dense populations near the border areas.

Air travel has always been the most common way of getting to and from Mainland China, with sea travel (cruises) coming up second.

Shenzhen to HK is like leaving a country, you need an exit stamp from Chinese immigration and if your visa is single entry you can't return to mainland China, also you can't just go from Hong Kong to shenzhen without a Chinese visa. There are immigration borders there.

29-01-2020 12:44PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Shenzhen to HK is like leaving a country, you need an exit stamp from Chinese immigration and if your visa is single entry you can't return to mainland China, also you can't just go from Hong Kong to shenzhen without a Chinese visa. There are immigration borders there.

Fine. Whatever. I've lived in Shenzhen, and visited HK every day or second day while I was there. Not like going to a different country, but I don't think it's a particularly important point for this thread.

at1withmyself · 29-01-2020 12:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fine. Whatever. I've lived in Shenzhen, and visited HK every day or second day while I was there. Not like going to a different country, but I don't think it's a particularly important point for this thread.

It is exactly like going to a different country. A Chinese national needs a visa to visit Hong Kong and a non Chinese person going from Hong Kong to China needs a visa, hence the double visa checks. That is pretty much what's involved when moving between countries.

29-01-2020 12:50PM

okie dokie.

Captain Red Beard · 29-01-2020 12:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

okie dokie.

You must have the patience of a saint.

Oranage2 · 29-01-2020 12:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fine. Whatever. I've lived in Shenzhen, and visited HK every day or second day while I was there. Not like going to a different country, but I don't think it's a particularly important point for this thread.

You would have gone to a border, gone through immigration, gotten an exit stamp from China and then gotten an entry stamp from Hong Kong. then on the way back you would have gone to another border, gone through Hong Kong immigration to exit Hong Kong then you would have to go through Chinese immigration, they'll check your visa and maybe ask them to you some questions before you get an entry stamp. If that's not like going to another country then I don't know what is

creditcarder · 29-01-2020 01:01PM

clever user name wrote: »

Things starting to get a bit more troublesome here (in Xi'an) in terms of day to day stuff. Buses are gone, the subway is still open (for now), but they've closed a bunch of the exits (weird). Need to show your ID when taking the subway (made this mistake yesterday lol). They're also checking peoples temperatures at the entrances. Didi is gone, China's version of Uber/Hailo. That means taxis are pretty busy and not easy to get. Shops/supermarkets are ok at the moment for most things, but it's harder to find bread and vegetables. I spent an hour today looking for onions, didn't find them. There goes my plans to make a nice stew :pac:. Masks? HA, good luck finding one of them. Most restaurants are closed. While this is not entirely unusual given it's still the New Year holiday, it's still far more than the norm. Talk of shops and supermarkets being replenished in the coming days, we'll see about that. All of this seems to be pretty much standard for most parts of China now. Government is urging places to close to help stop the spread.

So not tooooooo many issues at the moment, most people are just staying inside. Things will no doubt get worse in the short term. Long term, who knows. Hopefully things start to at least take a turn for the better in the next 3/4? weeks

Hmmmm, that is worrying tbh, and kind of shocking.

29-01-2020 01:05PM

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

You must have the patience of a saint.

I've taught in China for over a decade... you develop patience (both for living there and the teaching aspects) or leave. It's really that simple.

Anyway, I'm used to the nitpicking on boards.

clever user name · 29-01-2020 01:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

From what I've heard, everyone is waiting for the weather to heat up, and until then, everything is going to be shut down. So.. another month and a bit before any useful amount of heat.

I'd recommend getting out. While the Chinese can manage the various hoops to jump through, and have the network of contacts to gain knowledge of where to get food, foreigners will be left out of the loop. I wouldn't want to be stuck in Xi'an during the whole period.

I have a dog, so I can't just up and leave unfortunately. The process of getting him home would take at least a couple of months, and that's without all this sh**te going on. Absolutely no chance in hell I'm leaving without him, so batten down the hatches I guess :pac:

I have plenty of food, and there's still plenty available. No really worried about that.

Snow Garden · 29-01-2020 01:14PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Shenzhen to HK is like leaving a country, you need an exit stamp from Chinese immigration and if your visa is single entry you can't return to mainland China, also you can't just go from Hong Kong to shenzhen without a Chinese visa. There are immigration borders there.

Yes this was true the last time I was in China 6 months ago.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-01-2020 01:16PM

Map from 11pm yesterday shows 6,057 (official). Only a very slight slowdown in China, but some new countries finding cases (UAE, Tibet). Has overtaken SARS case-wise.

Oranage2 · 29-01-2020 01:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've taught in China for over a decade... you develop patience (both for living there and the teaching aspects) or leave. It's really that simple.

Anyway, I'm used to the nitpicking on boards.

Sorry if you think I'm nitpicking, I didn't mean to. As you've traveled from China to Hong so many times you've probably just became accustomed to the process. HK is part of China but I just wanted to let others who may be reading this know That it's not that easy to cross unless you've all the correct visa, then it's very easy.

Fr_Dougal · 29-01-2020 01:21PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Map from 11pm yesterday shows 6,057 (official). Only a very slight slowdown in China, but some new countries finding cases (UAE, Tibet). Has overtaken SARS case-wise.

We’ll start seeing real infections rate figures now that we’re not solely reliant on China.

Nijmegen · 29-01-2020 01:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Very few foreigners ever travel by land from China to another country, so it's not a big deal.

And this fear of becoming stuck is being overhyped in many ways. Turkish airlines is still flying from Xi'an direct to many European cities. As are Beijing capital airlines. And that's without counting the airlines like KLM who have longer routes.

I suspect we will see some of them shut down eventually but other routes will remain open.

Totally, I was more thinking that if the air bridge gets shut - either because airlines shut it down themselves or, more likely, governments demand it - your ways out are quite limited. Particularly if they're shutting down inter-city transport in the meantime.

With these things, if it goes it'll go quickly. If you're sitting in China and being kept home, your workplace not functioning - ala the Uni - etc, I'd get out. The price of a plane ticket versus the chance of being stuck there if it goes to hell and Johnny Foreigner is going to be low on the list to look after.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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