new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Duke of Url wrote: »

If you are going to pretend to do research then at least make an effort.

The US flu mortality rate includes cases where flu causes other illnesses to worsen and lead to death, while China only counts people who die directly from flu," an observer who prefers to be anonymous told the Global Times.

The statistical methods used by the Chinese CDC should be revised, as deaths from pneumonia caused by the flu, for example, are not counted, the observer said.

Observers called for an improved statistical approach, and encouraged the public to get an annual flu shot.

An analysis led by Chinese scientists published in The Lancet Public Health in September 2019 found that there were 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China each year, accounting for 8.2 percent of all deaths from respiratory diseases.

Well there were earlier reports that similarly for coronavirus in China there were inaccurate recordings of deaths, and that many deaths were counted as pneumonia. So surely this balances out then.

hmmm wrote: »

The jump was over a thousand yesterday, so if anything it's getting better as the number of infections detected is decreasing. Whether the figures are right or wrong is a different matter, but let's try and keep the thread reasonably factual?

Aye, but if that was the official Hubei province reporting and that represents all their cases, why do they update a few mins later with 50 more?

wakka12 wrote: »

How do you ever prepare for something like this? I think the world has reacted shockingly quickly and effectively considering how quickly it spreads

There at least needs to be a plan that all nations will implement simultaneously.

hmmm wrote: »

What response? The bit where the WHO is not panicking, or the bit where the virus was sequenced and distributed worldwide, or the bit where infected travelers are being picked up and tested, or the bit where the only H2H infections outside China were immediately tracked back to a source, or the bit where three different companies are already tasked with developing a vaccine?

Because that all looks pretty good to me.

Is there a conspiracy theory here that I’ve missed?

Like another poster above, company getting into contingency planning now. Have tried several of the usual suppliers and all are already out of face masks in the UK and Ireland. Interesting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/white-house-discussing-china-travel-restrictions-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html

bb12 wrote: »

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/white-house-discussing-china-travel-restrictions-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Smart move and what should be done is just revoke access for all Chinese Passports temporarily.

Nijmegen wrote: »

Like another poster above, company getting into contingency planning now. Have tried several of the usual suppliers and all are already out of face masks in the UK and Ireland. Interesting.

Ive read there are a few reasons for this, supplies are being sent to Chinese hospitals, people are buying them in bulk to resell them for a profit and obviously some people have stocked up just in case. I dont think its anything super sinister tbh.

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/119116414/how-contagious-is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-does-it-spread-with-no-symptoms

16-21 percent of those seeking medical care and who were tested. How many have mild infections not requiring intervention and have therefore not been tested? It's still too early to know the exact numbers as the situation constantly evolves.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ive read there are a few reasons for this, supplies are being sent to Chinese hospitals, people are buying them in bulk to resell them for a profit and obviously some people have stocked up just in case. I dont think its anything super sinister tbh.

I mean it’s interesting in a “Wisdom of crowds” kind of way. Also worth pointing out that supplies you’d want if it did become serious will go fast or already be gone by the time we cotton on (and thinking that in turn drives panic buying.... bad circle).

Company has a lot of public facing and deals with travellers from affected areas as part of the business. I was surprised at the level of step up in planning that is going into effect. Basically the assumption from the top echelons is to operate on the basis it will escalate at the potential cost of owning a few more hand sanitizers than you otherwise would, but also looking more seriously at things like telephones etc in case a lot of people have to work from quarantined homes etc. I have been chatting to others in other orgs now moving up into similar stages of prep.

Hope they would find a cure and stop this fear of mess.

Personally, I think the evacuation of foreign nationals in the containment zones is a mistake.

You don't quarantine cities containing 10's of millions of people without a very serious reason for doing so. Needless to say the full story is not public here.

Everyone within the limit of the quarantine should remain there until some measurable semblance of control and subsidence is achieved.

It's too risky.

National Children's Hospital Wuhan hospital construction live

First coronavirus case reported in United Arab Emirates
The first case of coronavirus in the United Arab Emirates – and thus the Middle East region – has been confirmed by state media, according to Reuters.

The state-run news agency WAM announced the case earlier today, citing the UAE health ministry.

According to the report, the person had been in Wuhan, but did not provide any further information.

First suspected coronavirus case in Tibet
Tibet, the last place on China’s mainland that had not recorded a case of coronavirus, has now reported its first suspected case. A 34-year-old man who travel to Tibet by train from Wuhan has been placed in quarantine.

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British Airways has suspended all flights to and from China till the end of February. I imagine a few more will follow like that. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-britain-ba-idUKKBN1ZS0OD