No right wing alternative= No alternative

PeasantHater · 27-01-2020 12:48PM

Brian? wrote: »

Untermensch eh? You consider people on the dole sub human?

Would you like them rounded up into camps?

That's what you decided to take from what I said.

I am referring to the perpetual workshy who are more than capable of earning a living but refuse to do so.

I pay comedic amounts of tax contributions while also paying off a nice 33 year loan at €2100 pm.

Why the f should I get the same amount as these parasites if I became unemployed if I've contributed more in a single day than this lot have in their entire lives?

Maybe the camps you're referring to wouldn't be ideal but a camp that makes them work menial labour to justify their "income" might be worth thinking about

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Idbatterim · 27-01-2020 01:02PM

It’s peoples dismay with the system that gets the likes of trump elected and then these same idiots who lose power , haven’t seen that they themselves created the situation. By attempting to stifle debate and change from a large number of people. Fg betrayal of workers and the issues ongoing immigration here will cause , especially to the career dolers and welfarers , when there is very little to go around anymore with all the drains on the states finances. We will see what happens then !

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-01-2020 01:18PM

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The National Party

Justin Barrett is not going to prvide "less provision on people's sexuality"!

Sonic_exyouth · 27-01-2020 01:20PM

alastair wrote: »

Just like they ignore the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea name. The Nazis were not socialist. They jailed or killed actual socialists.

East Germany was the German Democratic Republic
1987 - 1992, Afghanistan was the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
The Cambodian khmer Rouge ruled over the Democratic Kampuchea
It borders the Lao People's Democratic Republic

Briefly, there existed the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen
Or the People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
The Democratic Republic of Madagascar
or the Somali Democratic Republic

None of these places are actually democracies.

The Nal · 27-01-2020 01:20PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Justin Barrett is not going to prvide "less provision on people's sexuality"!

And they're not fine with "some" immigration, and they defo focus on race!

They're fúcking idiots.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-01-2020 01:23PM

Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?

Wanderer78 · 27-01-2020 01:23PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote:

Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?

He was in his hole

27-01-2020 01:42PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

It’s peoples dismay with the system that gets the likes of trump elected and then these same idiots who lose power , haven’t seen that they themselves created the situation. By attempting to stifle debate and change from a large number of people. Fg betrayal of workers and the issues ongoing immigration here will cause , especially to the career dolers and welfarers , when there is very little to go around anymore with all the drains on the states finances. We will see what happens then !

Immigration is not an election issue here. The Irish Freedom Party got 1.2% of the vote in Wexford by-election. And what do you mean by immigration exactly? Are you including the freedom of movement of people within the EU? We voted for that in a referendum and the only way out of that would be to leave the EU. That is not going to happen.

Thinkingaboutit · 27-01-2020 01:43PM

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

All left left left and more left parties.

Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc

They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.

Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
All mindless leftie nonsense.

The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

I like some right wing policies ie

Small accountable government.

Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred

Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?.

A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start.

Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.

So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.

Bit of a joke if you ask me.

Responding to OP, there can be no possible sense that Leo Varadkar is 'leftwing,' even with his support for various 'woke' positions on social measures.

However, immigration policy is extraordinarily imprudent and wasteful too. Although the EU perhaps makes the implementation of a more objective points-based policy to supply scarce skills, this government seems dogmatically opposed to sensible regulation of it. In a way, it is of a piece with its destructive and wasteful housing policy. Reform would harm FG connected business interests.

Brian? · 27-01-2020 01:47PM

PeasantHater wrote: »

That's what you decided to take from what I said.

I am referring to the perpetual workshy who are more than capable of earning a living but refuse to do so.

I pay comedic amounts of tax contributions while also paying off a nice 33 year loan at €2100 pm.

Why the f should I get the same amount as these parasites if I became unemployed if I've contributed more in a single day than this lot have in their entire lives?

Maybe the camps you're referring to wouldn't be ideal but a camp that makes them work menial labour to justify their "income" might be worth thinking about .

Untermensch parasites eh? Would you like to humanise these people any more?

I agree that it's unfair that people who never work a day in their lives get the same pension as every one else. But the amount of people who do this are absolutely tiny.

Society needs a safety net. An unfortunate side effect of that is some people can take advantage. The vast majority of people won't.

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 02:31PM

Paul_Hacket wrote: »

If you go to Las Vegas you'll be observing a city where all of the casinos on the strip are owned either by two individuals - right wing billionaire scumbags Sheldon Adelson and Steve "rapist' Wynn - or by two corporations: MGM and Caesars. Most people in the city make less than $25,000 a year, have no health insurance and are a single paycheck away from being evicted. They have a quality of life that is absolutely pathetic compared to that of the average person in Ireland. And that's the WORKING populace. The unemployed are living in absolute squalor with zero way out for most of them.

I've lived in the US for the past 20 years. You literally couldn't pick a better example of the power of right wing capitalism to put vast wealth into the hands of a tiny number at the expense of everyone else than Las Vegas. Your post is a perfect example of just how gullible a certain kind of person on the right wing of politics is these days.

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."

John Stuart Mill

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 02:36PM

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Socialism/Communism has killed tens of thousands of times more people than any right wing ideology ever has or ever could.

Just wrong, once again.

If we look at Imperialism, the ultimate form of capital enterprise, that alone has killed far more than any number of 20th century Communists.

The right are always trying to make this false equivalence, while conveniently or ignorantly forgetting other excesses.

facehugger99 · 27-01-2020 02:37PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?

He certainly believed in spending other people's money.

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 02:38PM

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

LOL more people died under Communism/Socialism Alone in Holodomor.

Also why do left folk always ignore the correct name of the Nazi party they love to bring up?.

National Socialist German Workers' Party

:rolleyes:

And AGAIN, trying to make a false equivalence.

I do some research on the nazis, sunshine, before continuing to make a fool of yourself.

They were anything BUT Socialist, despite Hitler cynically using the moniker.

Winning_Stroke · 27-01-2020 02:39PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

He certainly believed in spending other people's money.

He massively expanded the state, the public sector, benefits... let's not let Bertie's red credentials be written off :pac:

Winning_Stroke · 27-01-2020 02:41PM

Tony EH wrote: »

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."

John Stuart Mill

"It's got to be true if a guy from the 19th century said it."

Every far leftie in Ireland

CrankyHaus · 27-01-2020 02:45PM

Tony EH wrote: »

And AGAIN, trying to make a false equivalence.

I do some research on the nazis, sunshine, before continuing to make a fool of yourself.

They were anything BUT Socialist, despite Hitler cynically using the moniker.

Yeah it's a surprisingly persistent Bad History trope.

The Wages of Destruction, The Making and Breaking of The Nazi Economy by Adam Tooze is a good, albeit fairly dry, book on the actual economics of the Third Reich.
TLDR the "Socialist" stuff was hyped up and was not really a priority of Hitler's, especially once he got rid of Roehm and his boys (ohhh matron) in the night of the long knives.

gibgodsman · 27-01-2020 02:46PM

Huge difference between partys that use media to advocate for leftist ideas, and those who actually attempt to implement leftist Ideas. Majority of the large parties are all Right Wing implementations with Leftist advertising

Iscreamkone · 27-01-2020 02:47PM

Left wing economic policies reward incompetence and laziness

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 02:52PM

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

"It's got to be true if a guy from the 19th century said it."

Every far leftie in Ireland

No. It's true because it's true.

A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

alastair · 27-01-2020 02:54PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No. It's true because it's true.

A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

There’s definitely advocates of far left and far right ideologies in Ireland. They just don’t have a whole lot of support.

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 02:58PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Yeah it's a surprisingly persistent Bad History trope.

The Wages of Destruction, The Making and Breaking of The Nazi Economy by Adam Tooze is a good, albeit fairly dry, book on the actual economics of the Third Reich.
TLDR the "Socialist" stuff was hyped up and was not really a priority of Hitler's, especially once he got rid of Roehm and his boys (ohhh matron) in the night of the long knives.

It's a supremely foolish point, that's always brought up by someone that hasn't the first clue what they're talking about.

Hitler added "Nationalsozialistische" to the DAP in an attempt to draw voters away from the KPD and SPD. But he or any other party member were anything but a Socialist. He hated Socialism and set out to destroy German trade unions and embarked on a privatisation programme too.

The simple minded see "Socialist' in the Nazi title and bish, bash, bosh jump to the wrong conclusion.

Iscreamkone · 27-01-2020 03:03PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No. It's true because it's true.

A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

I would describe myself as right wing economically, and certainly am not frustrated or miserable.
Ok, maybe a little frustrated that my hard earned earnings are being taxed and given to those whose contribution to society is nil.

27-01-2020 03:05PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No. It's true because it's true.

A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

Sums up alot of the posters on here alright. Amazing how much time they have to post given how hard working they are supposed to be.

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 03:06PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

I would describe myself as right wing economically, and certainly am not frustrated or miserable.
Ok, maybe a little frustrated that my hard earned earnings are being taxed and given to those whose contribution to society is nil.

You fit the bill beautifully. Whinging about some minority that's relatively insignificant.

Idbatterim · 27-01-2020 03:06PM

in a country, where seemingly many dont want to pay for anything, water, LPT, inheritance tax etc. People think that its just fair game then, to tax a portion from a low income at FIFTY percent! When a .18% (less than a fifth of a percent). It it taking the piss! I believe the dole was increased back up to one hundred percent for the under 25's recently. I mean, couldnt that be far better spent on mental health services etc, which are severely underfunded for example?!

Even if its not all tax cuts, but the waste of sums here, to one area, at the expense of other areas, that actually could desperately use them, is a disgrace! Pf course, mental health for example, doesnt have a vote, no wonder they dont try to buy it off :rolleyes:

Idbatterim · 27-01-2020 03:11PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Immigration is not an election issue here. The Irish Freedom Party got 1.2% of the vote in Wexford by-election. And what do you mean by immigration exactly? Are you including the freedom of movement of people within the EU? We voted for that in a referendum and the only way out of that would be to leave the EU. That is not going to happen.

I mean, because irish politicians wont address problems, mainly us Irish and in particular, the want everything for free brigade, are going to start getting increasingly irritated over the coming years, when immigrants come in, putting pressure on housing, health, infrastructure (which are areas our politicians will do nothing about), I dont blame the immigrants, but watch attitudes change, when there isnt plenty left at the table for all. I mean the budget before an election year, they didnt even increase welfare or tax cuts, with a booming economy. How does that look going forward, the health black hole has to have the money thrown at it, public service pay agreement due. They wont raise the likes of the LPT etc. They are going to put themselves / us in a very precarious situation, will be interesting what happens, when the money to just give away endless give away budgets runs out, due to their decisions, like talk of lowering pension age again and other such madness :rolleyes:

Its now we should be inviting the IMF back in to make decisions. Let them make them the next bust, they dont have to worry about the political aspect of it as much!

Winning_Stroke · 27-01-2020 03:28PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No. It's true because it's true.

Ah the tautological argument. Very handy that one.

A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

Ahahaha! Are you serious? Go your nearest anti-<Israel, Austerity, what-have-you> protest. Look at the FB comments on any of the alphabet soup leftie groups. Your description matches them near exactly.

By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

People going around flying the hammer and sickle, are far left d!ckheads. Lads doing similar with nazi emblems and the likes, are far right d!ckheads. Admittedly they are both on the fringes but I do have candidates looking for my vote who have FB pics of them attending events were the H&S flag was lfying and at least one of them carried it themselves.

Chris_Heilong · 27-01-2020 03:31PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

in a country, where seemingly many dont want to pay for anything, water, LPT, inheritance tax etc. People think that its just fair game then, to tax a portion from a low income at FIFTY percent! When a .18% (less than a fifth of a percent). It it taking the piss! I believe the dole was increased back up to one hundred percent for the under 25's recently. I mean, couldnt that be far better spent on mental health services etc, which are severely underfunded for example?!

Even if its not all tax cuts, but the waste of sums here, to one area, at the expense of other areas, that actually could desperately use them, is a disgrace! Pf course, mental health for example, doesnt have a vote, no wonder they dont try to buy it off :rolleyes:

Those taxes should not exist and did not exist 10 years ago, Water was already being paid for in our taxes so people not being happy to pay for new revenue gatering measures by the Govenment in order to pay back the IMF is understandable.

We should not have borrowed so much from the IMF to begin with, Irish banks are private businesses and our govenment should have let the European investors and the Banks who had operations here sort out their own business as it was a private affair. It was crazy our government decided to take on the banks debts and not put in a plan to eventually be paid back by said banks.

Tony EH · 27-01-2020 03:50PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Those taxes should not exist and did not exist 10 years ago, Water was already being paid for in our taxes so people not being happy to pay for new revenue gatering measures by the Govenment in order to pay back the IMF is understandable.

People weren't happy to see our water hocked off to private enterprise, which is where it was heading, and acted accordingly. They were correct.

As for the LPT, nobody is happy to have the HOME taxed and FG lied saying they wouldn't do it.

I always find it laughable that the right, who are supposed to be about getting rid of taxes are generally fine about the LPT, a tax for which we get absolutely NOTHING in return.

No right wing alternative= No alternative

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