new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

ygolometsipe · 25-01-2020 10:45PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7927747/Asian-man-dips-baby-mouse-bowl-sauce-eating-ALIVE.html

They deserve everything they get if this is what they do. eating live mice and bat soup.
Madness.

For a start, the daily-mail is a mouth-piece of horse-****.

You need to be very careful of videos like this.

Read about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake

Its almost 100% certain that that clip and the one of the girls and the bat is fake.

Just take it all with a massive pinch of salt.

25-01-2020 10:46PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7927747/Asian-man-dips-baby-mouse-bowl-sauce-eating-ALIVE.html

They deserve everything they get if this is what they do. eating live mice and bat soup.
Madness.

You can find plenty of weird dishes in many countries, especially in Asia. Notice that it's a banned dish?

AllForIt · 25-01-2020 10:48PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7927747/Asian-man-dips-baby-mouse-bowl-sauce-eating-ALIVE.html

They deserve everything they get if this is what they do. eating live mice and bat soup.
Madness.

I like a nice chocolate mouse myself

Dante7 · 25-01-2020 10:51PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7927747/Asian-man-dips-baby-mouse-bowl-sauce-eating-ALIVE.html

They deserve everything they get if this is what they do. eating live mice and bat soup.
Madness.

Nothing to do with eating mice. There is no known vector of virus transmission from mice to humans. The bats are a different ball game. Huge vector trajectory. After this outbreak I suspect that the Chinese will implement strict controls on eating bats.

theguzman · 25-01-2020 11:12PM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

For a start, the daily-mail is a mouth-piece of horse-****.

You need to be very careful of videos like this.

Read about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake

Its almost 100% certain that that clip and the one of the girls and the bat is fake.

Just take it all with a massive pinch of salt.

PC ALERT, it always a fake when it is the unpalatable truth. Its a well known fact that the Chinese will eat practically anything, these are the same barbarians that have Elephants and Rhinos plus a whole host of critically endangered wildlife on the verge of extinction because they think that they are aphrodisiacs. Dog and Cat are routinely consumed and they have an entire dog meat festival in Yulin, China dedicated to eating dogs. I have travelled throughout Asia extensively and grasshoppers, rats and all manner of creatures are consumed not just in China but also Vietnam and Thailand. In the Philippines they have a particularly vile dish known as Balut where they boil a duck egg with foetus inside and consume the chick from the egg, again backward stupidity leads them to think this has Viagra like properties.

It had long been flaged and predicted that the next mega Pandemic would emerge out of China due to massive population, disgusting food consumption habits and close proximity between humans and all manner of animals. Ebola emerged from eating Chimpanzees in Cameroon and HIV developed from both eating and having sex with Monkeys and Chimpanzees in the Congo basin.

If people had a bit of respect for animals and understand that some are for eating and just let others alone as nature intended.

thecretinhop · 25-01-2020 11:16PM

Watch "Do Chinese people really EAT DOGS?" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/3I7oe3MKNF0

maninasia · 25-01-2020 11:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The usual hyperbole from people with little idea of what it's like to live or teach in Mainland China. I've taught there for over a decade, in both private and public schools/universities.

I've spoken about Taiwan, Tibet, etc in classes without losing my job, or receiving any warnings. I have been called up to speak to their "morality department" whose role is to protect the minds of the students, but that was for discussing contraceptives & sex in a class. Right now, it's not a good idea to be "open" simply because of the desire to return China to being a more moral and traditional society.

It entirely depends on the type of institution, and how political they are. Any foreigner living in China knows that they should moderate their speech, and to avoid political subjects.. It's just easier, because few Chinese people will accept your opinion or knowledge on the subject, which will be seen as a result of western propaganda. It's generally a requirement for any foreigner wanting to stay here long-term to be aware of the social and political changes that happen. It's the foreigners who come for a "gap" year with a chip on their shoulder, putting down China, who tend to receive any condemnation or criticism.. and it's usually deserved. I've noticed that foreigners who talk politics in China tend to be rather ignorant of Chinese history, or have a very shallow understanding of the culture... Just throwing around western logic or morality on a very different situation.

As for making videos/Youtube, the government has issues with anything made official. You can say a lot of things here, but recording anything negative is a "no no". It's common knowledge.

I'd advise you to reread what you actually wrote .
Haha you've absorbed a typical Chinese trait, saying that foreigners (those who you disagree with ) who have a strong opinion on China are wrong because they are ignorant or affected by western propaganda.

There are many foreigners in Asia who have lived there a long time who don't need to kowtow to their propaganda department. We know China very well and have strong opinions based on reality.

If you mention Taiwan and say 'the president of Taiwan ' you will be fired in China. The reality is the President of Taiwan , who is real and exists (Tsai Ying Wen) has just been voted in with a record number of votes for a second term ! This is the Kind of bull**** you have to put up with that but you'd rather claim that other foreigners in China are ignorant lol.

There's no such thing as western logic there is just logic.
There is no such thing as western human rights just universal human rights.

Atlantic Dawn · 25-01-2020 11:23PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I like a nice chocolate mouse myself

Diana was a proper goer :pac:

Dante7 · 25-01-2020 11:29PM

I'd bet big money that this n-Cov came from bats.

Spanish Eyes · 25-01-2020 11:42PM

We are either doomed or not. What do you think?

China to me has played both sides of the coin, let them at it as long as they don't denigrate the regime, and the regime can make millions or trillions or whatever as a result.

Clever. Hope this Corona thing is not that bad. But sure who knows. Would you trust the Chinese Government to tell the world about the reality of this?

They really have to curtail bat soup and the feet of some animals etc. Anyway I speak from experience in Beijing a few years ago. Went with the flow but was starving. It all looked awful to my (cosseted in Ireland) palate, but there was bread of some sort. Grand.

25-01-2020 11:53PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are either doomed or not. What do you think?

Far too early to tell.

China to me has played both sides of the coin, let them at it as long as they don't denigrate the regime, and the regime can make millions or trillions or whatever as a result.

As if anyone had a choice. China will do what it wants regardless of what anyone says.

Clever. Hope this Corona thing is not that bad. But sure who knows. Would you trust the Chinese Government to tell the world about the reality of this?

Nope... but then I'd feel the same way about Russia or the US.

They really have to curtail bat soup and the feet of some animals etc. Anyway I speak from experience in Beijing a few years ago. Went with the flow but was starving. It all looked awful to my (cosseted in Ireland) palate, but there was bread of some sort. Grand.

Never seen bat soup anywhere in China. I've eaten many odd dishes but then I've seen just as weird stuff in India, and Russia. Beijing has two main streets dedicated to "Famine food" which is hardly popular. Still, plenty of choices like Chicken feet, although that's mostly just gristle, and very little meat. The eating of brain is yuckier. Although I've encountered similar foods (brain, feet, etc) in various forms in Europe too. You should have had the grasshoppers in Beijing.. Yum.

Dante7 · 26-01-2020 12:14AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nope... but then I'd feel the same way about Russia or the US.

That's bullshīt. The CDC in the US would be all over this and reporting honestly.

ChikiChiki · 26-01-2020 12:21AM

NIMAN wrote: »

They are building a hospital made up of portacabins in a field.

I don't think Irish people would settle for hospitals like that.

Funny enough there would be a lot of people on trolleys happy with Portocabins in a field right now.

creditcarder · 26-01-2020 12:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The usual hyperbole from people with little idea of what it's like to live or teach in Mainland China. I've taught there for over a decade, in both private and public schools/universities.

I've spoken about Taiwan, Tibet, etc in classes without losing my job, or receiving any warnings. I have been called up to speak to their "morality department" whose role is to protect the minds of the students, but that was for discussing contraceptives & sex in a class. Right now, it's not a good idea to be "open" simply because of the desire to return China to being a more moral and traditional society.

It entirely depends on the type of institution, and how political they are. Any foreigner living in China knows that they should moderate their speech, and to avoid political subjects.. It's just easier, because few Chinese people will accept your opinion or knowledge on the subject, which will be seen as a result of western propaganda. It's generally a requirement for any foreigner wanting to stay here long-term to be aware of the social and political changes that happen. It's the foreigners who come for a "gap" year with a chip on their shoulder, putting down China, who tend to receive any condemnation or criticism.. and it's usually deserved. I've noticed that foreigners who talk politics in China tend to be rather ignorant of Chinese history, or have a very shallow understanding of the culture... Just throwing around western logic or morality on a very different situation.

As for making videos/Youtube, the government has issues with anything made official. You can say a lot of things here, but recording anything negative is a "no no". It's common knowledge.

Hmmm, so I have little knowledge?

ygolometsipe · 26-01-2020 12:24AM

theguzman wrote: »

PC ALERT, it always a fake when it is the unpalatable truth....

That's garbage nonsense. Prove to me that that specif video is 100% authentic.
How does political correctness have anything to do with the validity of a video?

Forget your anecdotal experience. Videos on the internet are 100% not to be trusted because they can be extremely convincingly faked.

kevcos · 26-01-2020 12:29AM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

That's garbage nonsense. Prove to me that that specif video is 100% authentic.
How does political correctness have anything to do with the validity of a video?

Forget your anecdotal experience. Videos on the internet are 100% not to be trusted because they can be extremely convincingly faked.

Post needs more superlatives

wakka12 · 26-01-2020 01:06AM

Another huge increase in the number of cases today, now closer to 2,000 infections worldwide than the 1,000 or so yesterday, with 54 fatalities and nearly 200 in serious/critical conditions
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Has also been a case in a new country, in Canada
https://www.cp24.com/news/presumptive-positive-coronavirus-case-detected-in-toronto-1.4783476

ygolometsipe · 26-01-2020 01:23AM

kevcos wrote: »

Post needs more superlatives

At all times, your extremely demanding in the worst possible way. It's highly infuriating trying to suit your simplistically low needs and yet meet the ridiculously high standards of posts only boards.ie requires.

Happy?

creditcarder · 26-01-2020 01:51AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Another huge increase in the number of cases today, now closer to 2,000 infections worldwide than the 1,000 or so yesterday, with 54 fatalities and nearly 200 in serious/critical conditions
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Has also been a case in a new country, in Canada
https://www.cp24.com/news/presumptive-positive-coronavirus-case-detected-in-toronto-1.4783476

Aren't most of them in China? Hmmm, one in ten in critical/serious conditions is actually worrisome, but I guess that depends on what critical condition is.

Yeah, I'm going to wait on my trip to south east asia tbh. Not for fear of dying, but getting a flue would suck.

careless sherpa · 26-01-2020 02:08AM

thecretinhop wrote: »

Watch "Do Chinese people really EAT DOGS?" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/3I7oe3MKNF0

Didn't know it was common to kidnap family dogs and then torture and kill then for food. Barbaric. The image from that greyhound doc on rte of a fella throwng a dog into a boiling vat of oil and holding the lid down is one of the worst I have seen.

wakka12 · 26-01-2020 02:28AM

creditcarder wrote: »

Aren't most of them in China? Hmmm, one in ten in critical/serious conditions is actually worrisome, but I guess that depends on what critical condition is.

Yeah, I'm going to wait on my trip to south east asia tbh. Not for fear of dying, but getting a flue would suck.

Almost entirely in China so far, yeah.
https://thewuhanvirus.com/
The cases are growing remarkably quickly though it has over 2,000 now in China, with nearly 2700 more suspected.
Given that most fatalities are over 55 years old I'd say the hospital admissions are skewed, and many healthy young people are simply not going to hospital to be checked up and just pushing through the illness at home. I think this will just turn out to be very similar to the seasonal flu, but always better to be safe than sorry.

megatron989 · 26-01-2020 02:40AM

All the talk of it being like seasonal flu and the numbers not being so bad just doesn't equal the chinese response we are seeing. That's what worries me and a lot of you by the sounds of it.
You don't quarantine tens of millions over a normal oul flu outbreak. Reeks of some kind of (wispers) cover up...

wakka12 · 26-01-2020 02:54AM

BUt 'quarantine' doesnt mean the city is actually locked down or people cant leave their home or whatever we traditionally associate with the word, it just means public transport and flights stopped running. Not much else to it. I think there were similar reactions from world governments to swine flu which turned out to be like seasonal flu

Graces7 · 26-01-2020 03:29AM

Witchie wrote: »

Was meant to be out tonight but stayed home. Am thinking of going out tomorrow night but am still a bit worried. I am still sneezing and coughing from the flu I am just getting over so probably not a good idea to go out or people will think I am infected and run away.

Stay home for all reasons.. Rest, heal; flu takes it out of you. And yes, you will scare folk! They will run away as if you have leprosy!

BLIZZARD7 · 26-01-2020 03:54AM

wakka12 wrote: »

BUt 'quarantine' doesnt mean the city is actually locked down or people cant leave their home or whatever we traditionally associate with the word, it just means public transport and flights stopped running. Not much else to it. I think there were similar reactions from world governments to swine flu which turned out to be like seasonal flu

In Wuhan people are told to stay inside unless absolutely necessary to leave, private car use is banned aswell as public transport. The roads in and out of the city are literally blocked off with soil and concrete blocks. The place is a complete ghost town, Not sure what else you would do to 'quarantine' the city.

The global economy will take a serious hit if this keeps spreading/they expand the quarantine zone to the likes of Shanghai/Beijing. Personally I'd agree with the view of what is really going on if they are reacting this extremely? Definitely wouldn't trust the Chinese to be telling the full truth, they have form with these things.

26-01-2020 04:16AM

1,985 confirmed cases, including 10 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 56 deaths
- 49 cured
- 2,684 suspected cases
R0 around 2.5?

There's not much a country can do. 1.4bn people, 40% of whom are living rurally doing the same stuff they've always done. Diseases and the like just stem from these weird food practices unfortunately. Add in lunar new year travel and it's worse.

I don't think random Chinese people deserve to die because some people eat these weird dishes on special occasions.

McGiver · 26-01-2020 04:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1,985 confirmed cases, including 10 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 56 deaths
- 49 cured
- 2,684 suspected cases
R0 around 2.5?

There's not much a country can do. 1.4bn people, 40% of whom are living rurally doing the same stuff they've always done. Diseases and the like just stem from these weird food practices unfortunately. Add in lunar new year travel and it's worse.

I don't think random Chinese people deserve to die because some people eat these weird dishes on special occasions.

What weird dishes? Virtually all influenza virus outbreaks and mutations originate in China and in poultry and/or pigs. The same goes to sars and this coronavirus it seems.
It's not originating from the snakes or monkeys brains...

26-01-2020 04:44AM

McGiver wrote: »

What weird dishes? Virtually all influenza virus outbreaks and mutations originate in China and in poultry and/or pigs. The same goes to sars and this coronavirus it seems.
It's not originating from the snakes or monkeys brains...

Thought I read bats or mice or something on here so was responding to that. Ebola was bats I think but not as food.

Even with pigs, there are weird dishes. I eat a fermented pork thing here in Vietnam, and that always seems a bit dodge. Raw blood is another delicacy I've tried that would seem more likely to allow some disease be transferred.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%E1%BA%BFt_canh

McGiver · 26-01-2020 04:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thought I read bats or mice or something on here so was responding to that. Ebola was bats I think but not as food.

Even with pigs, there are weird dishes. I eat a fermented pork thing here in Vietnam, and that always seems a bit dodge. Raw blood is another delicacy I've tried that would seem more likely to allow some disease be transferred.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%E1%BA%BFt_canh

AFAIK bats are posited to be implicated as intermediary hosts. With the all these Chinese origin pandemic (various influenza viruses HxNx, Sars etc) it's always down to pork and poultry. But yeah even with that there might be some let's say less than hygienic practices.

Now, HIV, Ebola and other nasty African stuff that's the real weird stuff. Read on hypotheses on how HIV got transmitted/transposed too humans...

LaFuton · 26-01-2020 07:28AM

FIRST! HAHA
its the end of the world as we know it
can't say we weren't prepared
im buying loads of tuna cans etc
see ye in the mountains x

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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