Jordan Peterson interview on C4

EmmetSpiceland · 24-01-2020 5:20pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

No, pal. I mean me. And I mean you. And everybody else.

We ALL need to look in the mirror and ask, is this good enough?

Well, us men do. The women? Well, they need to be taken down a “peg” or two.

LaFuton · 24-01-2020 5:32pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, us men do. The women? Well, they need to be taken down a “peg” or two.

uppity wimminfolk getting notions

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 5:33pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

It's not a fawning tribute, it's a fitting poem espousing that there are those who do, and there are those who complain.

From my recollection of his interview on the Joe Rogan Experience #1208 (I believe it was that one), Peterson has never ever advocated that others follow the diet, as he has no dietary qualifications. What he did was speak anecdotally of his and his daughters experience of the diet, both of whom found it beneficial. He was at pains to press that it was not empirically supported, but merely his experience and by extension, hers too.

The question that "well, that he 'solved' his mental health issues, why did he develop a benzo addiction?" is as follows, as I understand: he found his diet did help with his long term depressive symptoms. However, his lifestyle change since 2016 (when he came to public prominence, constant debates, his person and career constantly under threat and up for dissection in the public arena) coupled with his wife being diagnosed with and battling a very grim cancer diagnosis led him to go to his doctor, where he was prescribed anti-anxiety medication. His particular benzo is highly addictive and so Jordan tried unsuccessfully to detox from it before entering a detox facility.

I think it's particularly sad that 2-3 posters on here are fixated by his diet and use it as a platform to trash everything he does. I don't agree with everything JP does, says or believes but I am a strong enough individual to be able to separate the chaff from the wheat and see the value that he currently provides as a public figure. His overall message of taking personal responsibility is one that many could learn and benefit from in 2020, but the way he packages it is a bitter pill to swallow. And for some, including those aforementioned on this thread, it is easier on their ego to trash the great work of a risk taker and scream from the sidelines, rather than take the cold, harsh look at oneself and realise that the gap between the current self and the potential self is horrifyingly wide and set out to rectify that.

If you're clever enough to separate the wheat from the chaff then you might agree with me that advising people to pet cats and stand up straight is the wheat and the selling a miracle cure diet is very much the chaff.

The reluctance to even admit the diet is nonsense suggests that you actually mix the wheat and chaff and determine it's good enough overall.

I mean, come on. The miracle cure diet is pretty cynical. Do you seriously think it's genuine?

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 5:38pm

Fistycuffs wrote: »

He's never told everyone to give you any food group. He's just discussed his experience. Personally I think any perspective born of lived experience is richer, I appreciated him sharing it.

Sure he never advises anyone to eat any diet. You go to his daughter for counselling. And she tells customers all about it and then gives the legal hit that she's also not qualified to tell anyone what to eat. It's a very simple business model.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 5:41pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

No, pal. I mean me. And I mean you. And everybody else.

We ALL need to look in the mirror and ask, is this good enough?

But hey, don't let such a thing as a well reasoned argument or a healthy approach to ego derail you and your issue with a beef diet. Good man.

Sure, sure. Personal responsibility is a good thing. I'd be surprised if you can find someone on this thread who disagrees.

Will I Am Not · 24-01-2020 5:49pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No point asking me. I see it as a cynical con trick. You need to his daughter to find out.

Terrible con trick to try on.

My 100% beef only diet is a cure for all your ailments. Message me for the secret ingredient.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 5:53pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Terrible con trick to try on.

My 100% beef only diet is a cure for all your ailments. Message me for the secret ingredient.

LOL. But don't joke. There are enough credulous people on this thread who can't see through this kind of trick, no matter how obvious it is.

24-01-2020 5:55pm

Dude.. maybe you should take a break from the internet for a day or two..

Dyr · 24-01-2020 6:17pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where is he selling this diet? In interviews on the Internet.

When and where did he claim that this diet cured his depression. In interviews on the Internet.

Was he taking anti-depressents at that time? I've no idea. We know he was taking anti anxiety mess to the point of becoming addicted. I don't even believe he are an all beef diet. I just know he said he are an all beef diet.

Direct quotes now, if you don't mind. I'm not wasting time looking for quotes for you to dismiss.

As I said, direct quotes, no "he said" or "duirt bean lom go duirt bean lei" guff

You're not "wasting time" because that straw man you built looks mighty shakey

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 6:21pm

Bambi wrote: »

As I said, direct quotes, no "he said" or "duirt bean lom go duirt bean lei" guff

You're not "wasting time" because that straw man you built looks mighty shakey

If you believe the diet miracle cure story, then you're in real danger of believing anything

Zubeneschamali · 24-01-2020 6:45pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

But hey, don't let such a thing as a well reasoned argument or a healthy approach to ego derail you and your issue with a beef diet. Good

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

Dyr · 24-01-2020 6:47pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you believe the diet miracle cure story, then you're in real danger of believing anything

What I don't believe is your posts because you cant back them up.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 6:51pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

I addressed the benzo addiction in my first post. He went into detox after realising it had developed and unsuccessfully trying to detox himself, something that is immensely difficult and dangerous.

I don't see your point? A man developed an issue with a highly addictive prescribed medication, tried to resolve it himself and then sought help. Is there something wrong with this?

24-01-2020 6:52pm

He's Canadian too..the prick..

silverharp · 24-01-2020 7:49pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No need to guess at what you'd do. You'd skip past giving Peterson's miracle cure diet the benefit of the doubt and go straight to evidence based medicine. But for the sake of argument and with nothing at stake, you can continue to pretend the diet might actually be more than a conjob.

you are hallucinating his position , he isn't promoting it, if I remember when he was on joe rogan he pretty much said the opposite. so basically you are saying you don't like him because of what he eats. this is fine, im sceptical of vegans myself :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 7:50pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

Clearly not something to aspire to, but I'm loathe to kick him while he's down. I just hope he's getting proper, evidence based, treatment. And I'm sure he is because he probably wouldn't mess about with his own health.

The cognitive dissonance amongst his fans is interesting though. Selling his daughters nonsense diet business must be a bit embarrassing for his fans. The solution is to criticise those who highlight it.

LaFuton · 24-01-2020 9:49pm

he said meat and greens on joe rogan... presume he's not just talkin about a lettuce garnish. kales, peas, beans, spinach, pak choi, bok whatever its a pretty comprehensive diet.
he was just givin out about carbs on the interview i saw anyway, like a lot of healthness fitness ppl

Dyr · 24-01-2020 10:04pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

His daughter, who's business he's promoting, claims to be on the beef salt and water diet (with vodka and bourbon). She claims any other foods cause terrible side effects but vodka and Bourbon are totally fine.

It's not Complicated. It's just saying the diet works and charging people money for it. And people will buy it. You believed it before you even knew what it was. That's what the Petersons see counting on.

You kept referring to him selling this diet and now he's just promoting it

From what I can see his daughter is selling membership of some sort of support group or consulation rather than a diet.

Any luck finding directs quotes to back up your claims peppered throughout this thread? Or are you still expecting everyone to take your word for all of this? Because that's asking a lot tbh, you don't seem very reliable.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 10:13pm

It's amazing how JP lives rent free in this chap's head.

Also, the willy nilly throwing around of the term 'psychoanalysis'. If you truly feel everyone is psychoanalysing you, it'd be interesting to hear what a real analyst would make of that :pac:

24-01-2020 10:22pm

Daddy issues probably..

Silentcorner · 24-01-2020 10:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Daddy issues probably..

It's narcissism...we are in an epidemic...I blame twitter!

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 10:27pm

Bambi wrote: »

You kept referring to him selling this diet and now he's just promoting it From what I can see his daughter is selling membership of some sort of support group or consulation rather than a diet.

Any luck finding directs quotes to back up your claims peppered throughout this thread? Or are you still expecting everyone to take your word for all of this? Because that's asking a lot tbh, you don't seem very reliable.

I've said loads of times that he's selling the diet for his daughter's financial and status gain.

If I showed you a quite of him banging on about the miraculous benefits of the diet, you'd dismiss it. So what's the point?

Zubeneschamali · 24-01-2020 10:30pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

If you truly feel everyone is psychoanalysing you, it'd be interesting to hear what a real analyst

A real psychoanalyst is like a real astrologer or a real phrenologist.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 10:35pm

Guava Juice wrote: »

What do you mean when you say I defended him, what did I say specifically?

On what basis is it made up, the only person with a certain belief on this seems to be you, driven by your personal hatred of Jordan Peterson.

There is nothing miraculous about what both Jordan Peterson and his daughter are claiming. If you remove grains, refined sugars and and vegetable oils you will likely see significant benefits. I doubt very much the diet needs to be as specific as his daughter's. Even then, in the interview I watched he said it worked for him and it might not work for other people. I would expect symptoms to abate by applying such a diet, his claims are not implausible. Could he be lying, yes of course, like anyone could be. Do I personally get offended if he is lying, nope, that would insane. Who cares if someone is lying.

You spent the day trying to amateur psychoanalyse me because I criticised the Petersons miracle cure diet. This was before you even looked up whet the diet was. Pretty standard. Someone criticises Peterson so you criticised them using amateur psychoanalysis.

It's interesting to see someone do it so blatantly - without even knowing what they were talking about.

Have you seen the cure claims he made about the diet? Genuine question.

Ted_YNWA · 24-01-2020 10:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think El dude is just trolling at this stage..

Mod

You've been around the block on here long enough to know, that on thread is not the way to call people out as trolling.

24-01-2020 10:42pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Mod

You've been around the block on here long enough to know, that on thread is not the way to call people out as trolling.

Read back over the last fifteen pages of him ignoring everything anyone said to him and just going on about the bloody diet and tell me he's not trolling..

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 10:48pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

A real psychoanalyst is like a real astrologer or a real phrenologist.

I'm aware. Just as you're aware of how silly you look axcusog others of 'analysing' you.

4/10 for deflection.

Ted_YNWA · 24-01-2020 11:26pm

Mod

Can everyone stop pseudo-psychoanalysing each other. All it is doing is adding unnecessary tension.

I think we get it at this stage El Duderino 99 - you don't like the diet. You can stop beating that drum.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 11:34pm

I'll say no more about the diet. If you buy that nonsense, you're a proper Peterson fan. No doubting your credentials. In fact I bet some people would believe what he says before they even know what he said. Oh wait....

Just a point of information, someone else brought it up this morning. I responded to them. I’ll say no more about it.

Junkyard Tom · 25-01-2020 12:02am

https://youtu.be/r8ngDnWwFBI?t=65

Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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