Picard 1x01 - "Remembrance" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Sad Professor · 23-01-2020 8:58am #1

This premieres today in the US and may already be out in some places, so I'm putting this thread up now.

Warning: This thread will contain spoilers for the first episode. Spoiler tags will not be used. If you don't want to be spoiled, read no further.

liamtech · 23-01-2020 11:24am

Iv just watched it - all i can say is, fantastic- Absolutely FANTASTIC opener

Cannot wait for more or to engage in speculation of where they might go with this?

Il probably write a proper sort of ups and downs later (Only down i can think of now is that im in work - and the entire season is not available)

Honestly I challenge anyone to suggest that this episode was in some way flawed

heebusjeebus · 23-01-2020 12:11pm

Loved that episode. Well paced and a great introduction to this phase of Picards life.

Bruce Maddox was mentioned. He was such an antagonist to Data but eventually they became friends

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liamtech · 23-01-2020 1:04pm

I have to tell you guys there is BLIND HATRED appearing online - specifically on a few Youtube channels - i cannot understand it - honestly i find it baffling

heebusjeebus · 23-01-2020 1:07pm

liamtech wrote: »

I have to tell you guys there is BLIND HATRED appearing online - specifically on a few Youtube channels - i cannot understand it - honestly i find it baffling

I just read "Romulans at Picard chateau are a clear analogy for Syrians"

liamtech · 23-01-2020 1:11pm

I cannot understand it - clearly some people just do not WANT to like this show - honestly

They are looking for reasons to criticize it

FutureGuy · 23-01-2020 1:27pm

liamtech wrote: »

I have to tell you guys there is BLIND HATRED appearing online - specifically on a few Youtube channels - i cannot understand it - honestly i find it baffling

Because it drives followers and they make money. So no matter what the series is like, they will sh!t all over it regardless.

We know who they are. It's utterly pathetic.

liamtech · 23-01-2020 1:30pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

Because it drives followers and they make money. So no matter what the series is like, they will sh!t all over it regardless.

We know who they are. It's utterly pathetic.

Its actually annoying in a serious way - honestly - i just hope it has no effect on subscribers- im banking on getting 3-4 seasons outta this - and hopefully a TNG era spin off -

I know everyone wants Pike series but THIS is what i want

is_that_so · 23-01-2020 1:43pm

liamtech wrote: »

Iv just watched it - all i can say is, fantastic- Absolutely FANTASTIC opener

Cannot wait for more or to engage in speculation of where they might go with this?

Il probably write a proper sort of ups and downs later (Only down i can think of now is that im in work - and the entire season is not available)

Honestly I challenge anyone to suggest that this episode was in some way flawed

It took its time to get where it was going but that's inevitable seeing as it's setting up the strands to come. Otherwise it was great!

Spear · 23-01-2020 2:22pm

Various rambling thoughts.

I had been a little concerned that the synths elements played into the story more than thought, and less so the Borg/Romulan aspects. It now transpires that the synths are like 95% of the first episode, but I'm okay with that, as it's being presented as more of a mystery angle.

It's a relief that Picard realises the nature of Dahj quickly, instead of dragging out something that's already made obvious to the viewer.

What should have been a big reveal of the Borg cube is rendered irrelevant since we've all seen it in the ads.

liamtech · 23-01-2020 3:47pm

Spear wrote: »

Various rambling thoughts.

I had been a little concerned that the synths elements played into the story more than thought, and less so the Borg/Romulan aspects. It now transpires that the synths are like 95% of the first episode, but I'm okay with that, as it's being presented as more of a mystery angle.

It's a relief that Picard realises the nature of Dahj quickly, instead of dragging out something that's already made obvious to the viewer.

What should have been a big reveal of the Borg cube is rendered irrelevant since we've all seen it in the ads.

IM just relieved Dahj isn't Michael Burnhams cousin or something ridiculous like that.. cant wait to get home and rewatch

the haters on YT are driving me mad though - should just ignore i know

Spear · 23-01-2020 3:49pm

liamtech wrote: »

IM just relieved Dahj isn't Michael Burnhams cousin or something ridiculous like that.. cant wait to get home and rewatch

the haters on YT are driving me mad though - should just ignore i know

Well, no, Dahj isn't even a smear stain now.

AMKC · 23-01-2020 4:00pm

Well that was Fantastic. Loved it. I loved the opening scene with Enterprise D. Really like the main title opening as well. I like the way its not all action, action. There is some beautiful scenes and scenery in this. I loved what they done with the Golden Gate bridge and it makes perfect sense to use it to harness energy.
Was starting to like Dahj so a pity see is gone so soon
I actually thought we might get to see Data reborn in this episode but am glad we have not.

I take it the actress that played Dahj is also playing Dr Soji or is it two different actress's.

I seen someone said they thought it was rushed. I did not think so. If you want a rushed one check out Discovery.

I will most certainly watch this a second time.

pah · 23-01-2020 4:02pm

Couldn't wait for Prime Video for the first episode although I think I will for the rest of the season.

I liked seeing Picard on screen again, Patrick Stewart is awesome. And that's about it, pretty good action/fight scenes... Way to much going on, big reveals that were made too early IMO, Big leaps and assumptions made to draw conclusions that were not earned in the first half hour of a show about a character we've not seen for 20 years. SLOW DOWN FFS

The mystery around someone's identity and connection to Picard seemed interesting and I thought this would be teased out but then, oh look there's the answer, quick assimilate this info and.... Next scene
STOP, just slow down

The whole thing was crammed and rushed IMO. I hope it calms down a bit going forward.

Some of the dialogue.....

I'm pretty sure one of Dahjs opening lines was DUDE, I'm a fellow at the daystrom...... DUDE????

He replies with "that's pretty cool" This is my problem with Kurtzman Trek. It has been established that in the 23rd and 24th centuries people don't use the terms dude or cool when they converse. How is that so fuçking hard to accept???? But they want to make it relatable so..... :rolleyes:

When she first met Picard, "I just feel safe with you something something", Christ

And of course subverting our expectations with that death. She was our last hope - No there is another
Ugh
FML

Some nice little Easter eggs and nods, the opening shot was beautiful. Fingers crossed for the next episode, I really do hope it gets better

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2020 7:07pm

I very much enjoyed that I have to say.

Agree with the above that it's rushing a bit too fast to set things up, and the big reveal at the end was spoiled by trailers, but for all that it was a really good starter.

Of course, they have an advantage in that they're continuing a story with existing characters and plots (rather than the mess that is Discovery trying to shoehorn new characters and events into that established history) and the massive advantage of a lead who thoroughly knows his character and that world - but with that comes increased pressure to both be faithful to that world, and successfully move the story on.

From what I've seen so far, I'm a lot more excited about Picard than anything I've seen in 2 seasons of Discovery!

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 7:26pm

Loved it, tho agree there was a lot going on - anyone else rewind for the Enterprise scene?

liamtech · 23-01-2020 7:32pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Loved it, tho agree there was a lot going on - anyone else rewind for the Enterprise scene?

yep

Im not gonna lie i KINDA teared up about when 1701D came on - takes me right back to my early teens

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2020 8:15pm

I have a theory..

So when Dahj calls her mother after fleeing chateau Picard, there's a momentary pause and glitch in the comms when she catches that she never told mom his name.

Mom is just a program. The glitch was it/whoever's behind it resetting the responses to her unexpected statement.

I reckon it's Maddox himself. He sent Dahj to Picard.

TheValeyard · 23-01-2020 9:36pm

I could not wait until Friday.

Oh wow. What a treat. I really enjoyed that.

AMKC · 23-01-2020 9:53pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Loved it, tho agree there was a lot going on - anyone else rewind for the Enterprise scene?

I sure did. It looked stunning and there is a video on You Tube comparing it to when it was in TNG. Its certainly a lot more shiny and glitzier this time.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I have a theory..

So when Dahj calls her mother after fleeing chateau Picard, there's a momentary pause and glitch in the comms when she catches that she never told mom his name.

Mom is just a program. The glitch was it/whoever's behind it resetting the responses to her unexpected statement.

I reckon it's Maddox himself. He sent Dahj to Picard.

Nice theory. You could be write or maybe it could be something, or someone else or even some other reason that happened.

Slydice · 23-01-2020 9:53pm

1: That was good. Most surprised by the death of Dahj so early!

Not sure how I'm gonna stick having to wait week-to-week if this episode is anything to go by.

Venom · 23-01-2020 10:05pm

I really enjoyed episode one and hope they keep the story telling quality up as I was worried about this series after the mess Discovery turned out to be. The fast pace didn't bother me too much but the scene where Picard wakes up back home after Dahj goes boom felt weird and out of place, as it really should have taken place in a medical centre at Starfleet.

The season preview kinda bugged me, as I'm so sick of the Borg mcguffin bollocks route Trek shows seem to rely on, as those episodes always feel like a crutch for the weaker Trek stories. Anyone else reckon Dahj is not really dead after all the talk about her being able to cloak?

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2020 10:13pm

Venom wrote: »

I really enjoyed episode one and hope they keep the story telling quality up as I was worried about this series after the mess Discovery turned out to be. The fast pace didn't bother me too much but the scene where Picard wakes up back home after Dahj goes boom felt weird and out of place, as it really should have taken place in a medical centre at Starfleet.

The season preview kinda bugged me, as I'm so sick of the Borg mcguffin bollocks route Trek shows seem to rely on, as those episodes always feel like a crutch for the weaker Trek stories. Anyone else reckon Dahj is not really dead after all the talk about her being able to cloak?

I suppose it's possible that she was beamed out an instant before the explosion (like how Sloan was beamed out before Koval vaporises him in DS9).

There's an awful thought.. If it turns out (again!) that Section 31 is behind it all as in Discovery.

31, like the Borg, are best used sparingly.

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 10:20pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I suppose it's possible that she was beamed out an instant before the explosion (like how Sloan was beamed out before Koval vaporises him in DS9).

Problem with that is that whatever she got sprayed with was spreading all over her and eating her away in seconds, then the exploding phaser blowing her to bits

AMKC · 23-01-2020 10:33pm

Slydice wrote: »

1: That was good. Most surprised by the death of Dahj so early!

Not sure how I'm gonna stick having to wait week-to-week if this episode is anything to go by.

Ye it was a pity they killed her off so early but her sister is still there so I suppose that actor is still there to so it saves her having to do two twins lol.

liamtech · 23-01-2020 10:39pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I have a theory..

So when Dahj calls her mother after fleeing chateau Picard, there's a momentary pause and glitch in the comms when she catches that she never told mom his name.

Mom is just a program. The glitch was it/whoever's behind it resetting the responses to her unexpected statement.

I reckon it's Maddox himself. He sent Dahj to Picard.

I was thinking along those lines myself - i really hope Maddox appears actually - might be in a minority, but even a Holo-recording would do

Assuming we take canon as TV's and Movies, and not STO, i am VERY curious as to where the Romulans got a Borg Cube, along with what they are doing with it?

Im also leaning in the direction of a theory - Why did the Synths attack Mars - could it be that someone, perhaps a Romulan faction opposed to Federation Help, was controlling them or forcing them to do so?

in general, MAN IT FEELS GREAT TO BE BACK WITH IN THIS ERA!:D:)

Slydice · 23-01-2020 10:42pm

8472 came to mind when I saw the guy spitting out the stuff that killed her

velo.2010 · 23-01-2020 10:42pm

I'm trying to understand the timeline of the 'synths' destroying the rescue armada to Romulus. Did it happen before or after the rescue. How many Romulans were rescued? Were the 'synths' programmed to go rogue by those in Starfleet who didn't want the rescue to happen?

The show wasn't the disappointment many were alluding to online. Star Trek has always featured the movement of people - forced or otherwise - so I didn't take it as a direct allegory to events happening in the real world today. Anyways, the backstory to the whole show is nearly 20 years old!

I found there were more nods to the past than I had anticipated - which is a good sign. I've read that those nods will drop off as the show progresses, and that's to be expected given the current writer's want to put their slant on the Trek universe.

Nitpicking, but I never liked the holograph displays. I know technology will move on in time but people tapping something in mid air looks silly. I guess there is no other alternative to having a physical display which would look the same in 400 years from now.

I'll keep watching, while trying to avoid who or what internet folk are intent on predicting will turn up in future episodes - outside of who has already been revealed to appear.

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 10:48pm

liamtech wrote: »

Why did the Synths attack Mars - could it be that someone, perhaps a Romulan faction opposed to Federation Help, was controlling them or forcing them to do so?

Destruction of Romulus happens about 2 years later

The synth leader created by Starfleet went rogue - guess we'll find out why they did it later in the show

Spear · 23-01-2020 10:51pm

velo.2010 wrote: »

I'm trying to understand the timeline of the 'synths' destroying the rescue armada to Romulus. Did it happen before or after the rescue. How many Romulans were rescued? Were the 'synths' programmed to go rogue by those in Starfleet who didn't want the rescue to happen?

From the canon Countdown comic:

The pre-existing fleet ships were already performing evacuations and surveys within Romulan space. At the same time Geordi LaForge was overseeing the construction of a fleet of dedicated ferries at Utopia Planitia.

Who controlled the synths is unknown, as is why.

horgan_p · 23-01-2020 10:53pm

In fairness Patrick Stewart is a bloody good actor, vibes of Logan from how he played it.

Anyone know is this is planned to be multi season ? I'm not sure how many seasons the story will support.

AMKC · 23-01-2020 10:56pm

Spear wrote: »

From the canon Countdown comic:

The pre-existing fleet ships were already performing evacuations and surveys within Romulan space. At the same time Geordi LaForge was overseeing the construction of a fleet of dedicated ferries at Utopia Planitia.

Who controlled the synths is unknown, as is why.

Actually I wonder where Geordi LaForge is? Is he alive or was he killed during the attack on Mars and Utopia Plantia?

Also where do Starfleet build there ships now if there main shipyard was destroyed?

velo.2010 · 23-01-2020 11:00pm

Spear wrote: »

From the canon Countdown comic:

The pre-existing fleet ships were already performing evacuations and surveys within Romulan space. At the same time Geordi LaForge was overseeing the construction of a fleet of dedicated ferries at Utopia Planitia.

Who controlled the synths is unknown, as is why.

Ok, so that makes more sense given I was reading different years when this was all meant to be taking place.

So, Starfleet withdraw their starships (as mentioned in ST Picard) and an independant type of rescue fleet is being commissioned, and to be led by Picard, only to be destroyed by the rogue 'synths'.

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2020 11:03pm

AMKC wrote: »

Actually I wonder where Geordi LaForge is? Is he alive or was he killed during the attack on Mars and Utopia Plantia?

Also where do Starfleet build there ships now if there main shipyard was destroyed?

Could be that the fleet has been severely cut back as a result. If the Federation has become more isolationist then you wouldn't need a huge fleet of exploration vessels anymore, just enough to patrol the borders and logistics.

There's probably lots of older stuff still knocking around after the Dominion war. The Excelsiors were around for decades after all.

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2020 11:06pm

velo.2010 wrote: »

Ok, so that makes more sense given I was reading different years when this was all meant to be taking place.

So, Starfleet withdraw their starships (as mentioned in ST Picard) and an independant type of rescue fleet is being commissioned, and to be led by Picard, only to be destroyed by the rogue 'synths'.

My understanding is that Picard and the fleet were the first wave of rescue ships while the 1000 flying buses (basically) were being constructed.

When Mars is attacked (heh! Will we see federation president Jack?

) and the rescue ships destroyed, the fleet is withdrawn and Picard resigns in disgust.

Spear · 23-01-2020 11:10pm

AMKC wrote: »

Anyone know is this is planned to be multi season ? I'm not sure how many seasons the story will support.

There's a season 2, but no idea if it's the same story arc.

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 11:12pm

2379 - Nemesis
2385/6 - Mars attack, Picard still an Admiral
2387 - Romulus destroyed
2399 - Picard show is set in

Assuming deployment of Starfleet to Romulus was taking to many resources while still dealing with Mars but Picard is supposed to have resigned in 2386 but thought he resigned because they stopped helping Romulans - bit confused over the timelines maybe?

Optimus Prime · 24-01-2020 12:31am

Absolutely loved that , can’t wait to see more. Opening music sounds a lot like Picard playing the flute from the inner light mixed with trek theme.

Dadj looked like she was melting the way the romulan senate did in nemesis with whatever that green particle stuff was shinzon had , looked like it squirted from the phaser rifle. Was probably just radiation though.

Oh and if those comics are canon , wasn’t there one before the JJ trek film that had data alive building the ship Spock , had with the red matter , along with geordi?

TheValeyard · 24-01-2020 12:34am

Anyone thinking it was the Tal Shiar that hacked the synths to destroy Mars and the rescue fleet?

Spear · 24-01-2020 1:01am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Anyone thinking it was the Tal Shiar that hacked the synths to destroy Mars and the rescue fleet?

I'd be skeptical of them as the culprits. It doesn't make sense to risk war with the Federation with Romulus at such a weak point, even if you ignore the potential loss of hundreds of millions of lives.

Equally, if it's the Tal Shiar that's actively hunting all synths down, it wouldn't make sense for them to hold such as grudge for something they did themselves.

But I presume revealing the events surrounding the synth attack will be core to the series.

Goodshape · 24-01-2020 1:32am

Great! Fantastic. Lovely tone and pace and everything. Loved it.

Does feel a bit more like (old) Patrick Stewart than a man who used to be Captain Picard, but maybe he'll settle back into the role, or I'll get used it. Or not :-/

But also, he's ****ing great. So that's alright. Looked fantastic in that red uniform for a few fleeting moments.

Everything else: super. Data was great.

ITS DATAS DAUGHTER!!!

MADDOX!!!!!!!

Wonderful.

fritzelly · 24-01-2020 1:33am

Goodshape wrote: »

Does feel a bit more like (old) Patrick Stewart than a man who used to be Captain Picard, but maybe he'll settle back into the roll, or I'll get used it. Or not :-/

Watched a vid there earlier on youtube with him talking about the character is 18 years older and so is he - and that is how it is.
So I think this is old Picard with some disillusionism and not the one we are used to

johnny_ultimate · 24-01-2020 2:14am

Im not a big Star Trek fan, and enjoyed this as an intriguing and well-made opening episode to a show I’ll be checking back in on every week.

But mostly I’m posting here to just state the completely lukewarm take that this is a reminder that Patrick Stewart is a goddamn treasure. The sense of decency, class and warmth he brings to Picard makes the cap’n one of the all-time great sci-fi heroes.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 24-01-2020 2:33am

Loved every second of that. It flew by too, thought we were only about 20 minutes in when it ended. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

The_Wanderer · 24-01-2020 2:51am

A thumbs up from me.

Watched a measure of a man last night on the assumption it could play a history lesson. Little did I know.

Also watched Nemesis earlier tonight to recap on the events that we last saw our favourite crew. It's a pity Data's download into B4 wasn't a success.

Watched it on Amazon Prime at 0010. Not looking forward to the 0640 alarm clock later!

Cookie_Monster · 24-01-2020 4:56am

The romulans have become very human

Nigel Fairservice · 24-01-2020 5:23am

There was a very Irish sounding Romulan in there!

jim-jam · 24-01-2020 7:30am

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

There was a very Irish sounding Romulan in there!

That's Orla Brady playing Laris.

Really enjoyed having Picard back on screen. Looking forward to the rest of it now.

_Kaiser_ · 24-01-2020 7:51am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The romulans have become very human

Yea there is that alright, and the makeup has lost the alien look as well except for the ears which are more exaggerated this time round.

The personality shift though I think you can probably put down to the fact that the survivors of the supernova have been living and working with the Federation for the past 15 years. Given that they don't try to suppress their emotions like their vulcan cousins, they'd naturally assimilate better into that culture.

Agent Coulson · 24-01-2020 8:11am

I can't believe Orla Brady is nearly 60 even as a romulan she is gorgeous.

TheIrishGrover · 24-01-2020 9:44am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't believe Orla Brady is nearly 60 even as a romulan she is gorgeous.

As the (new) Romulans would say: "Almost 60? Me bollox". Really? Jesus, looking great alright.

I really really enjoyed that. Thought it was very well written and acted. Picard's sudden conclusion (belief?) that she is an android/synthetic was a bit sudden but then I suppose it had being brewing since his second dream of Data.

Stewart was great as Picard. Great to see him so frail at the start. Not even realising himself that he was. And to see him liven up a bit as the plot thickened.

Briones was fantastic as Daj. Simply fantastic. Have never seen her before but hope big things for her future.

Alison Pil is great also. Have seen her in a couple of things previously and she's a fine actor.

Regarding plot. Nice couple of rug-pulls in the episode. I wasn't expecting Daj to die. Certainly not in the first episode.

Also, I assume I was not alone in thinking that she may have been a human "reclaimed" from The Borg. When she introduces herself to Picard and he says "I'm Jean-Luc" I was half expecting her to say "No" and not explain what she meant by that yet.

So is she Datalal?

I know some will jump on Picard's line: "Data always wanted a daughter" What about Lal? Well, he never said he didn't have a daughter.

As for the Romulans being quite human: Well, in Unification we saw that the average person was quite normal. Once free of their police-state environment you would imagine that they would be quite different from the Romulan military we usually see.

I know that was just an observation above and not a criticism.

But of course there will be the toxics: Too many strong women, Romulans too human, he looks old (FFS), Oh they are going to drag EVERYONE in in desperation (They are already saying that).

But I really really enjoyed that and am very intrigued as to where it's going. I also love Discovery so I am delighted: After years of no Trek or Trek I wasn't interested in (VOY & ENT) I now have two Trek shows that I find fun and interesting. Roll on The Pike Years Show.....

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Picard 1x01 - "Remembrance" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]