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GE2020 *Mod Note in First Post*

  • 17-01-2020 12:39AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭


    Here are names contesting the election so far:
    • Deputy Pat Breen (Fine Gael),
    • Deputy Joe Carey (Fine Gael),
    • Senator Martin Conway (Fine Gael),
    • Deputy Timmy Dooley (Fianna Fáil),
    • Rita McInerney (Fianna Fáil),
    • Cllr. Cathal Crowe (Fianna Fáil),
    • Cllr. Róisín Garvey (Green Party),
    • Theresa O’Donohue (People Before Profit),
    • Michael McNamara (Independent),
    • Joseph Woulfe (Independent)

    The news that Michael Harty wasn't running means that there's definitely going to be 1 new TD elected. Will the other 3 all hold their seats?

    FF and FG are both running 3 candidates. Does anyone outside of those ranks have a realistic shot?

    MOD NOTE: Lets keep it civil and on-topic.
    If you are in any way involved with the local candidates or political parties you must declare this before you engage in the discussion.
    Any misbehaviour will be dealt with swiftly and without further warning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Ml. McNamara would have a good chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭blowin3


    No way would I vote FF/FG self serving parasites the lot of them. I will give my vote to the independents when the time comes not much choice in the list above.
    I hope little Timmy will be thought a lesson for his major part in dishonest voting .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    Here are names contesting the election so far:
    • Deputy Pat Breen (Fine Gael),
    • Deputy Joe Carey (Fine Gael),
    • Senator Martin Conway (Fine Gael),
    • Deputy Timmy Dooley (Fianna Fáil),
    • Rita McInerney (Fianna Fáil),
    • Cllr. Cathal Crowe (Fianna Fáil),
    • Cllr. Róisín Garvey (Green Party),
    • Theresa O’Donohue (People Before Profit),
    • Michael McNamara (Independent),
    • Joseph Woulfe (Independent)

    The news that Michael Harty wasn't running means that there's definitely going to be 1 new TD elected. Will the other 3 all hold their seats?

    FF and FG are both running 3 candidates. Does anyone outside of those ranks have a realistic shot?


    Same 3 plus Michael McNamara , will be tight for last seat with all in the running
    Conway , Garvey followed by Mcinery, Crowe !
    Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil transfers will be amusing , can’t wait for Madeleine Taylor’s analysing on the day ! Usually spot on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    I just put in a note into the first post, this is the standard boards note for all election threads so don't think that it's directed at anyone in particular, I know we all get on great here so there won't be any issues with the thread.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    In my opinion the 3 sitting TDs will walk it but the last seat will be a major battle, I think FF are making a huge mistake running 3 candidates as they'll split the vote and I wouldn't be surprised if someone else was to sneak in, the most likely would be McNamara, if he was a labour candidate he'd have a lot better chance but we've a great history of independent/labour TDs in Clare so I wouldn't be surprised if he got the 4th seat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I would be more interested in what any/all these candidates have to say (personally) about the various issues facing us.
    It appears to me that 'toe the party line' is the order of the day, regardless you think it right or wrong.

    This might be the first year I decide not to vote at all! (because I do not believe any of them, individually, will make any real contribution to the country if they get elected)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Always vote, even if you don't know who to vote for always exercise your right to vote, spoil your vote if you must but don't underestimate the value in a vote or the value in having such a great voting mechanism as we have in promotional representation.

    Oh yeah, rank your votes from least favourite to number 1,PR works best when you cast your preferences for everyone not just first couple of choices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Clareman wrote: »
    Always vote, even if you don't know who to vote for always exercise your right to vote, spoil your vote if you must but don't underestimate the value in a vote or the value in having such a great voting mechanism as we have in promotional representation.

    Oh yeah, rank your votes from least favourite to number 1,PR works best when you cast your preferences for everyone not just first couple of choices.

    TBH, I see no reason to vote if my intention is to deliberately spoil it.

    I have no preferences at all ... regarding them all as equally unsuited to contribute to putting this country on a sound footing.

    Hopefully I will hear/read/meet something or someone that will change my mind - but I doubt it unfortunately.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Apathy is an awful thing and I can see why people wouldn't want to give up their time to go do something they don't have an interest in, but there HAS to be someone or some party that strikes a cord, they mightn't win, they mightn't get another vote but we're a democrary and that shouldn't be taken for granted.

    Oh yeah, the count is always a great event/session


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Clareman wrote: »
    Apathy is an awful thing and I can see why people wouldn't want to give up their time to go do something they don't have an interest in, but there HAS to be someone or some party that strikes a cord, they mightn't win, they mightn't get another vote but we're a democrary and that shouldn't be taken for granted.

    Oh yeah, the count is always a great event/session

    Not sure if you considered my posts an indication of apathy .....

    I am anything but apathetic as I have a great interest in seeing this country improve and have made all efforts I could over the decades to that end.

    My present attitude is more one of despair which I could not feel if I was apathetic. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    I agree with Johnboy that lineup is just horrible 3 FF 3 FG one ex Lab one Green 2 unknowns. It is typical of the plotical climate in this county since the 30's there again is no coherent real socilist option avaible to vote for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    I too see the usual suspects getting in; fourth seat will be possibly McNamara. Overall, it looks (at the moment) like FF will form the next government, with maybe the Greens in tow.

    The whole poster thing gets on my nerves. Let's have one spot in every village and town for them, one poster per candidate. And a Speaker's Corner? Hmmm. Anyway, some people haven't got the big boys' money for blanket propaganda!

    PS isn't there a Michael Leahy (Irish Freedom Party) standing? And now Violet-Anne Wynne for Sinn Fein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Marty Xavier


    I think Carey will struggle as he did the last time and only got in when Mulqueen publicly backed him. I forecast Dooley, Breen, McNamara and Garvey might just squeeze in ahead of Crowe. Even though Crowe could take some of Dooley's first preference votes.
    (Edit on second thoughts after hearing today's poll I think Clare will return 2 FF - Crowe , Dooley , with Breen and I;m going to say Garvey)

    Green's are going to have a good day I think considering the recent Euro elections and with Australia burning people are begining to wake up to climate change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    I think Carey will struggle as he did the last time and only got in when Mulqueen publicly backed him. I forecast Dooley, Breen, McNamara and Garvey might just squeeze in ahead of Carey.
    Green's are going to have a good day I think considering the recent Euro elections and with Australia burning people are begining to wake up to climate change.


    FF/Green coalition? People have very short memories!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Marty Xavier


    FF/Green coalition? People have very short memories!

    The fact that FF are even still in existence proves that people do have short memories. FG are going to struggle, people have had enough of them since 2011, in fairness they have had a good run but their shocking performance in health and housing will damn them.

    The Green's are a viable coalition partner I think, SF are still not going into government so unless FF and FG partner up then yoes indeed you could be looking at FF/Green or less likely FG/ Green


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭mitresize5


    we all slag the British voters for voting Conservative and for Brexit ...

    and we bring back to power the same crowd who had to hand over the reigns to the IMF a decade ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    The utter embarrassment that those are the choices for this county.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    There's 13 candidates now, current odds from Paddy Power https://www.paddypower.com/politics?tab=irish-constituencies

    Timmy Dooley (Fianna Fail) 1/14
    Pat Breen (Fine Gael) 1/6
    Cathal Crowe (Fianna Fail) 1/6
    Joe Carey (Fine Gael) 1/3
    Michael McNamara (Ind) 9/4
    Martin Conway (Fine Gael) 9/2
    Rita McInerney (Fianna Fail) 8/1
    Roisin Garvey (Green Party) 9/1
    Trudy Leyden (Ind) 16/1
    Conor O Brien (Renua) 25/1
    Joseph Woulfe (Ind) 25/1
    Violet-Anne Wynne (Sinn Fein) 40/1
    Theresa O Donohue (PBP) 40/1

    If I was a betting man I would be putting a few bob on McNamara, I don't think Carey is as guaranteed a seat as 1/3 and I think the FF & FG votes are going to be split between the 3 candidates, both parties are making a mistake running 3 in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    Clareman wrote: »
    There's 13 candidates now, current odds from Paddy Power https://www.paddypower.com/politics?tab=irish-constituencies

    Timmy Dooley (Fianna Fail) 1/14
    Pat Breen (Fine Gael) 1/6
    Cathal Crowe (Fianna Fail) 1/6
    Joe Carey (Fine Gael) 1/3
    Michael McNamara (Ind) 9/4
    Martin Conway (Fine Gael) 9/2
    Rita McInerney (Fianna Fail) 8/1
    Roisin Garvey (Green Party) 9/1
    Trudy Leyden (Ind) 16/1
    Conor O Brien (Renua) 25/1
    Joseph Woulfe (Ind) 25/1
    Violet-Anne Wynne (Sinn Fein) 40/1
    Theresa O Donohue (PBP) 40/1

    If I was a betting man I would be putting a few bob on McNamara, I don't think Carey is as guaranteed a seat as 1/3 and I think the FF & FG votes are going to be split between the 3 candidates, both parties are making a mistake running 3 in my opinion.


    Michael Leahy announced he was standing for the Irish Freedom Party. What's happened to him? Also, I hadn't seen Renua's declaration.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Party Candidate
    Fianna Fáil Cathal Crowe
    Renua Conor O Brien
    Fine Gael Joe Carey
    Independent Joseph Woulfe
    Fine Gael Martin Conway
    Irish Freedom Michael Leahy
    Independent Michael McNamara
    Fine Gael Pat Breen
    Fianna Fáil Rita McInerney
    Green Party Róisín Garvey
    Solidarity–PBP Theresa O'Donohue
    Fianna Fáil Timmy Dooley
    Independent Trudy Leyden
    Sinn Féin Violet-Anne Wynne


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I'll be spoiling my vote unfortunately. I can't/don't trust any of them. Don't understand this blind party loyalty that some people have either, they shafted you before, they'll probably do so again so why give them your vote. If you vote for FF or fine Gael, IMO you are part of a bigger problem. The type who will give out yards in the pub about high property tax, Shannon airport in the doldrums, patients stuck on trolleys in record numbers, but then vote the same clowns back in again. Sometimes I think we are one stupid race of people but then I realise there is no real viable alternative. Depressing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I'll be spoiling my vote unfortunately. I can't/don't trust any of them. Don't understand this blind party loyalty that some people have either, they shafted you before, they'll probably do so again so why give them your vote. If you vote for FF or fine Gael, IMO you are part of a bigger problem. The type who will give out yards in the pub about high property tax, Shannon airport in the doldrums, patients stuck on trolleys in record numbers, but then vote the same clowns back in again. Sometimes I think we are one stupid race of people but then I realise there is no real viable alternative. Depressing.

    That is the difficulty .... that and the party system operating in the houses.

    Just maybe if 'party loyalties' were not applicable inside the houses we would see the true colours of those we elect, and not just their party colours.

    On the other hand a large proportion of those elected are not capable of critical thinking so need to be led to water. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    I have met/heard some of the candidates before but have no ties to any.

    The options are very poor.

    Dr Harty left at the right time as he knew he wouldnt get in.
    Of the remaining sitting candidates, Dooley and Breen didnt show up for the Mercosur vote and Carey voted in favour of it- a deal that would effectively close west clare as beef farmers keep a fair few businesses open.

    Roisin Garvey is very strong willed but a bit too much of her own opinion being the only one. The Green party using throw away posters bothers me also. and I think their policies would be bad for the county.

    Martin Conway is a me feiner. He has very little done for the area- there is plenty of social problems in his own town. Some were caused when he represented the area while in the County Councul. Of all the candidates I have heard of, he is my least favourite.

    I have heard Joe Woulfe speak on the radio before and am not overly impressed.

    Rita Mcinerney seems to be trying to make a go of things with two businesses in Donbeg. But I have heard nothing of her policies.


    As for the rest, I don't know them enough to comment.


    I have no decision made on the direction of my vote. But I am sick of people "Representing us" and only lining their pockets. No Canvassers will come near us as we are too rural and don't matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    I'll be spoiling my vote unfortunately.…Sometimes I think we are one stupid race of people but then I realise there is no real viable alternative. Depressing.


    There is a choice. Please don't spoil your vote - that's a score for the big parties as they benefit from fewer ballot papers.


    Give Theresa O'Donohoe a chance. She's got her head screwed on. You might not like everything she's standing for but she'll speak up for minorities and she's leagues ahead of the Dooleys and Conways of this world.


    Disclaimer: she's getting my first preference and I might be helping her distributing flyers. She needs all the help she can get as she hasn't got the money and the Dáil machinery behind her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Marty Xavier


    There is a choice. Please don't spoil your vote - that's a score for the big parties as they benefit from fewer ballot papers.


    Give Theresa O'Donohoe a chance. She's got her head screwed on. You might not like everything she's standing for but she'll speak up for minorities and she's leagues ahead of the Dooleys and Conways of this world.


    Disclaimer: she's getting my first preference and I might be helping her distributing flyers. She needs all the help she can get as she hasn't got the money and the Dáil machinery behind her.

    I'd second this sentiment, there are some decent candidates there that aren't part of the 2 bigger parties who let's be frank are embarrassingly bad apart from Crowe - who hasn't been there before but may be just as bad!

    Personally I'll be voting McNamara and Garvey, 2 capable people who are not lackeys to the boys in Dublin.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    For the 2 main parties there 3 new candidates, looking at McInerney's manefesto for west Clare I'd be encouraged that she'd be a voice for the west of the county but I don't know what power she'd have as a member of a big party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    There is a choice. Please don't spoil your vote - that's a score for the big parties as they benefit from fewer ballot papers.


    Give Theresa O'Donohoe a chance. She's got her head screwed on. You might not like everything she's standing for but she'll speak up for minorities and she's leagues ahead of the Dooleys and Conways of this world.


    Disclaimer: she's getting my first preference and I might be helping her distributing flyers. She needs all the help she can get as she hasn't got the money and the Dáil machinery behind her.

    People before profit?? No offence but no thanks. Don't want to end up like some socialist ghetto....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    People before profit?? No offence but no thanks. Don't want to end up like some socialist ghetto....

    So you prefer capitalist empire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Who do you predict will be elected in Clare.
    My 4 would be Dooley,Breen,Carey and Crowe.


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