Yaris GR - 260 BPH, 4x4 with LSD...

grogi · 15-01-2020 4:34pm #1

Toyota annouced the most cute small m...f...r - Yaris GR...

Three pot 1.5 engine produces stunning ~260 BHP... Permanent 4x4 with optional two LSD Torsen differentials... This is going to be fun...

Of course, Toyota Ireland is silent. As always with anything remotely interesting.

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bazz26 · 15-01-2020 5:07pm

That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes. All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.

grogi · 15-01-2020 5:49pm

bazz26 wrote: »

That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes.

It costs, what it costs. All of those would be brought for order anyway, they wouldn't have to stock them and then try to shift... I don't really see a problem, bar the state of mind of Toyota Ireland.

All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.

The target of TI has no interest in cars period ...

colm_mcm · 15-01-2020 5:55pm

This seems to be a homologation model for motorsports? Can’t see any other reason for it. It’s not as if it’s a halo model that will sell thousands of 1.0 models to rally fans.

They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.

grogi · 15-01-2020 6:24pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

This seems to be a homologation model for motorsports? Can’t see any other reason for it.

Yet, it is.

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s not as if it’s a halo model that will sell thousands of 1.0 models to rally fans.

They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.

At least 8000 units will be built. That's far more than the typical homologation requirements and there is an actual chance to get one.

kooga · 15-01-2020 6:29pm

Uk price is estimated at £30K according to autocar

colm_mcm · 15-01-2020 7:44pm

grogi wrote: »

Yet, it is.

At least 8000 units will be built. That's far more than the typical homologation requirements and there is an actual chance to get one.

Curious to see how many they sell.

bazz26 · 15-01-2020 10:41pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

But realistically speaking even if it wasn't for VRT how many would Toyota Ireland actually sell? The market for performance cars over here is tiny

VW sold plenty of Golf Rs here in recent times so there is certainly a market here for performance cars even if it relatively small.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 15-01-2020 10:56pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

But realistically speaking even if it wasn't for VRT how many would Toyota Ireland actually sell? The market for performance cars over here is tiny

And anyone looking for performance cars will most likely never consider a Yaris.

Neilw · 15-01-2020 11:49pm

bazz26 wrote: »

That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes.

More like 60k.

selectamatic · 16-01-2020 12:00am

£32k is what I've seen mentioned for the uk.

Hard know where that'll leave us.

Interesting to see Toyota uk have been getting a few popular British youtubers onboard.

DaveyDave · 16-01-2020 12:39am

selectamatic wrote: »

£32k is what I've seen mentioned for the uk.

Hard know where that'll leave us.

Interesting to see Toyota uk have been getting a few popular British youtubers onboard.

That's the price of a GTI in the UK.

pablo128 · 16-01-2020 12:49am

bazz26 wrote: »

That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes. All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.

To be fair, any 260 bhp 4x4 will cost at least 40k new in Ireland.

colm_mcm · 16-01-2020 10:48am

Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?

ShadowHearth · 16-01-2020 11:17am

I personally think it's fecking cool. Would be extremely fun car to scare all rep mobiles, who would see just a little ****y white Yaris.

Obviously the cost is going to be a killer here and I doubt we will see a single one sold here.

zilog_jones · 16-01-2020 11:31am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?

Yes: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota-gr-yaris-hot-hatch-2020

The example they've been showing off is LHD with Euro size plates, so very much looks like it's destined for Europe.

grogi · 16-01-2020 11:36am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?

Yes. The pricelist is available in Poland.

grogi · 16-01-2020 11:45am

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

And anyone looking for performance cars will most likely never consider a Yaris.

Why? There is nothing wrong with small performance cars.

Don't forget that 100 HP in a Yaris feels completely different than 100 HP in 7-series... The Up GTI has 115 HP and from what I hear, it is a fantastic car.

colm_mcm · 16-01-2020 11:54am

Any idea what the emissions are on it?

grogi · 16-01-2020 11:58am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Any idea what the emissions are on it?

Nada...

Tacitus Kilgore · 16-01-2020 12:00pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Any idea what the emissions are on it?

184g/km preliminary,

260bhp, 4wd with lsd, vcd & 1300kg

It will be a fun little car i'd say.

Can't help but think this is the kind of power the gt86 should have had..

CJhaughey · 16-01-2020 1:10pm

RHD for Australia and NZ
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/118769610/hot-yaris-depends-on-aussie-choices

ianobrien · 16-01-2020 1:57pm

I imagine that it'll be a riot to drive. When Toyota want to do a good car, they can (AE86, ST185 & ST205 GT4, MR-2, GT86, etc).

I imagine they'll be a few sold here. If I was in the market for a 4WD turbo petrol, it'll be a nice alternative to the Golf R, Cupra R, M135, etc.

Henry Ford III · 16-01-2020 2:53pm

Sounds like a fun package.

Remains to be seen whether it'll be imported or not, and if so, how good it'll be.

colm_mcm · 16-01-2020 2:59pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

184g/km preliminary,

260bhp, 4wd with lsd, vcd & 1300kg

It will be a fun little car i'd say.

Can't help but think this is the kind of power the gt86 should have had..

€750 tax and 30% VRT so.

ianobrien wrote: »

I imagine that it'll be a riot to drive. When Toyota want to do a good car, they can (AE86, ST185 & ST205 GT4, MR-2, GT86, etc).

I imagine they'll be a few sold here. If I was in the market for a 4WD turbo petrol, it'll be a nice alternative to the Golf R, Cupra R, M135, etc.

Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.

grogi · 16-01-2020 3:16pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.

Yes, significantly.

ianobrien · 16-01-2020 6:24pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.

I was reading up on the blurb Toyota released. The ordinary Yaris is 5 door only. They went 3 door as that's what TMR wanted for the next rally car design (probably to shove the crew back for better weight distribution). It's the same reason that the rear was designed with input from TMR for aerodynamics on the future rally car.

Most manufacturers are going to 5 door only so that they don't have the cost of engineering and certifying a 3 door that doesn't sell well.

CJhaughey · 17-01-2020 8:02am

No body panels are the same as the 5 door, its quite different to the standard Yaris.

punisher5112 · 17-01-2020 8:55am

I thought honestly I'd never say this about a Yaris but wow is it cool and isn't it one aggressive looking motor.

That would be great on or off the track....

Andrew76 · 18-01-2020 11:40am

CJhaughey wrote: »

No body panels are the same as the 5 door, its quite different to the standard Yaris.

Looks fantastic from that angle.

CJhaughey · 21-01-2020 9:36am

The Irish model is available this year.
With Hybrid powertrain....
https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyota/articles-news-events/2018/toyota-yaris-gr-sport.json

Widdensushi · 21-01-2020 9:52am

CJhaughey wrote: »

The Irish model is available this year.
With Hybrid powertrain....
https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyota/articles-news-events/2018/toyota-yaris-gr-sport.json

according to that it was available in a 191 ,I realise you are taking the piss also.

Pops_20 · 29-04-2020 4:33pm

Sorry to dig up this thread, but it's a real pity that it's looking like Ireland won't be offered this car. Seems so cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0bTFAjK8tM

The closest thing on offer is a seemingly diluted down version called the Yaris GRMN

https://www.toyota.ie/models/yaris-grmn.json

colm_mcm · 29-04-2020 4:55pm

Realistically though, was anybody actually going to buy one?

selectamatic · 29-04-2020 5:03pm

The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

They're £26k in the uk
€42k is a scandalous price for one here.

Capra · 29-04-2020 7:08pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Realistically though, was anybody actually going to buy one?

It's hard to know. I'm always amazed how many original Irish Celica gt4, EVOs Impreza STIs that you will see at car shows. They weren't cheap in their day either but they are out there.

Style over substance seems to be the preference now though judging by the amount of s-line and m sport and even VRS 4 pot diesels out there now.

Eric Cartman · 29-04-2020 7:11pm

selectamatic wrote: »

The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

They're £26k in the uk
€42k is a scandalous price for one here.

Especially since its the watered down 1.5 hybrid not the original.

it'll be bought as a 21st present for the first born son of a rural dweller who buys a new landcruiser every year.

Capra · 29-04-2020 7:14pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Especially since its the watered down 1.5 hybrid not the original.

it'll be bought as a 21st present for the first born son of a rural dweller who buys a new landcruiser every year.

No, it wasn't. The proper GRMN was available to order here for €42,000. No one was being asked €42k for the 1.5 hybrid.

Capra · 29-04-2020 7:17pm

selectamatic wrote: »

The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

They're £26k in the uk
€42k is a scandalous price for one here.

That's a different car completely. The GR-4 is a new model built on a bespoke 3 door body with a unique 4wd system, carbon roof, flared arches, new engine, etc.

The GRMN was a very good uprated version of the old model Yaris. The new version is more serious again.

selectamatic · 29-04-2020 7:18pm

Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.

Capra wrote: »

That's a different car completely. The GR-4 is a new model built on a bespoke 3 door body with a unique 4wd system, carbon roof, flared arches, new engine, etc.

The GRMN was a very good uprated version of the old model Yaris. The new version is more serious again.

I know. I was responding to pops_20's post above mine.

Cheensbo · 29-04-2020 7:27pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.

Looks a lot like a 2zz

CIP4 · 29-04-2020 7:34pm

I drove a new model Polo GTI on a track last year and it felt really quick no doubt because it was small that had 200bhp. So I would say a Yaris with 260bhp would be some craic to drive. The fact no one would expect it to be so quick would make it even better.

Eric Cartman · 29-04-2020 8:28pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.

I know. I was responding to pops_20's post above mine.

You can get a 2017/18 A35 or A45 AMG for that money, a 2014 BMW M4 for that money, Almost 2017 BMW M2 money.

Even a Leon Cupra R is a little cheaper.

Just can't see the appeal.

Philb76 · 29-04-2020 8:42pm

It was reported in the uk that these were coming couple of months going to be a serious car potential collector cars so no doubt they will sell look back even as far as the 80s any rally derived hatchbacks were very expensive these are no different I'm sure people said who will buy a v6 renault clio

selectamatic · 29-04-2020 10:20pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

You can get a 2017/18 A35 or A45 AMG for that money, a 2014 BMW M4 for that money, Almost 2017 BMW M2 money.

Even a Leon Cupra R is a little cheaper.

Just can't see the appeal.

Shur this is it, hence the reasoning behind thinking 42k is ludicrous money.

Now that said light small agile cars with around about 200bhp and a manual gearbox will always be appealing due to their ease of maintenance and the fact that ya can basically drive the boll*x outta them without breaking the bank. They're a pretty different kettle of fish compared to a used m4...

But ya pricing needed to be down around about the same as a polo gti or fiesta st. Around about that £20k mark.

Toyota uk over shot the runway by about £5k Toyota Ireland landed at a completely different airport :pac:

And unfortunately if they offer the GR yaris here they'll surely end up doing something similar.

Eoinbmw · 29-04-2020 10:39pm

I feckin hate this country when it comes to Motoring!

Capra · 29-04-2020 10:39pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Shur this is it, hence the reasoning behind thinking 42k is ludicrous money.

Now that said light small agile cars with around about 200bhp and a manual gearbox will always be appealing due to their ease of maintenance and the fact that ya can basically drive the boll*x outta them without breaking the bank. They're a pretty different kettle of fish compared to a used m4...

But ya pricing needed to be down around about the same as a polo gti or fiesta st. Around about that £20k mark.

Toyota uk over shot the runway by about £5k Toyota Ireland landed at a completely different airport :pac:

And unfortunately if they offer the GR yaris here they'll surely end up doing something similar.

Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.

selectamatic · 29-04-2020 10:47pm

Capra wrote: »

Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.

We were still on about the GRMN Yaris.

The GR isn't out yet and no one know for certain how it'll be priced.

Philb76 · 30-04-2020 10:28am

Capra wrote: »

Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.

Peugeot 205 t16 road car 300 to 400 thousand and that is if you can even get someone to sell theres

MetzgerMeister · 30-04-2020 11:09am

colm_mcm wrote: »

They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.

In fairness, the reason for that is because it was cheaper and more beneficial for both Toyota and BMW. Toyota got one of the best petrol engines currently in production and BMW got Toyota's hybrid technology.

Neilw · 30-04-2020 4:21pm

selectamatic wrote: »

We were still on about the GRMN Yaris.

The GR isn't out yet and no one know for certain how it'll be priced.

I still think it will be a €60k car here.

Yaris GR - 260 BPH, 4x4 with LSD...

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