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Yaris GR - 260 BPH, 4x4 with LSD...

  • 15-01-2020 4:34pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Toyota annouced the most cute small m...f...r - Yaris GR...

    Three pot 1.5 engine produces stunning ~260 BHP... Permanent 4x4 with optional two LSD Torsen differentials... This is going to be fun...

    Of course, Toyota Ireland is silent. As always with anything remotely interesting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes. All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    bazz26 wrote: »
    That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes.

    It costs, what it costs. All of those would be brought for order anyway, they wouldn't have to stock them and then try to shift... I don't really see a problem, bar the state of mind of Toyota Ireland.
    All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.

    The target of TI has no interest in cars period ... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    This seems to be a homologation model for motorsports? Can’t see any other reason for it. It’s not as if it’s a halo model that will sell thousands of 1.0 models to rally fans.

    They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    This seems to be a homologation model for motorsports? Can’t see any other reason for it.

    Yet, it is.
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    It’s not as if it’s a halo model that will sell thousands of 1.0 models to rally fans.

    They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.

    At least 8000 units will be built. That's far more than the typical homologation requirements and there is an actual chance to get one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭kooga


    Uk price is estimated at £30K according to autocar


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    grogi wrote: »
    Yet, it is.



    At least 8000 units will be built. That's far more than the typical homologation requirements and there is an actual chance to get one.

    Curious to see how many they sell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    But realistically speaking even if it wasn't for VRT how many would Toyota Ireland actually sell? The market for performance cars over here is tiny

    VW sold plenty of Golf Rs here in recent times so there is certainly a market here for performance cars even if it relatively small.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    But realistically speaking even if it wasn't for VRT how many would Toyota Ireland actually sell? The market for performance cars over here is tiny

    And anyone looking for performance cars will most likely never consider a Yaris.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭Neilw


    bazz26 wrote: »
    That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes.

    More like 60k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    £32k is what I've seen mentioned for the uk.

    Hard know where that'll leave us.

    Interesting to see Toyota uk have been getting a few popular British youtubers onboard.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    £32k is what I've seen mentioned for the uk.

    Hard know where that'll leave us.

    Interesting to see Toyota uk have been getting a few popular British youtubers onboard.

    That's the price of a GTI in the UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    bazz26 wrote: »
    That car would probably cost over 40k here when you take into account our taxes. All Toyota Ireland want to do is sell hybrids to mass goers Mary and John who have virtually no interest in such cars.

    To be fair, any 260 bhp 4x4 will cost at least 40k new in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    I personally think it's fecking cool. Would be extremely fun car to scare all rep mobiles, who would see just a little ****y white Yaris.

    Obviously the cost is going to be a killer here and I doubt we will see a single one sold here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?

    Yes: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota-gr-yaris-hot-hatch-2020

    The example they've been showing off is LHD with Euro size plates, so very much looks like it's destined for Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Is there any indication that this model will even be offered outside of Japan?

    Yes. The pricelist is available in Poland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    And anyone looking for performance cars will most likely never consider a Yaris.

    Why? There is nothing wrong with small performance cars.

    Don't forget that 100 HP in a Yaris feels completely different than 100 HP in 7-series... The Up GTI has 115 HP and from what I hear, it is a fantastic car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Any idea what the emissions are on it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Any idea what the emissions are on it?

    Nada...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Any idea what the emissions are on it?

    184g/km preliminary,



    260bhp, 4wd with lsd, vcd & 1300kg


    It will be a fun little car i'd say.

    Can't help but think this is the kind of power the gt86 should have had..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    I imagine that it'll be a riot to drive. When Toyota want to do a good car, they can (AE86, ST185 & ST205 GT4, MR-2, GT86, etc).

    I imagine they'll be a few sold here. If I was in the market for a 4WD turbo petrol, it'll be a nice alternative to the Golf R, Cupra R, M135, etc.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Sounds like a fun package.

    Remains to be seen whether it'll be imported or not, and if so, how good it'll be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    184g/km preliminary,



    260bhp, 4wd with lsd, vcd & 1300kg


    It will be a fun little car i'd say.

    Can't help but think this is the kind of power the gt86 should have had..

    €750 tax and 30% VRT so.

    ianobrien wrote: »
    I imagine that it'll be a riot to drive. When Toyota want to do a good car, they can (AE86, ST185 & ST205 GT4, MR-2, GT86, etc).

    I imagine they'll be a few sold here. If I was in the market for a 4WD turbo petrol, it'll be a nice alternative to the Golf R, Cupra R, M135, etc.

    Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.

    Yes, significantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Do you think the fact that it’s a 3 door might actually go against it? Manufacturers have pretty much moved to 5 door even on a lot of performance stuff.

    I was reading up on the blurb Toyota released. The ordinary Yaris is 5 door only. They went 3 door as that's what TMR wanted for the next rally car design (probably to shove the crew back for better weight distribution). It's the same reason that the rear was designed with input from TMR for aerodynamics on the future rally car.

    Most manufacturers are going to 5 door only so that they don't have the cost of engineering and certifying a 3 door that doesn't sell well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    No body panels are the same as the 5 door, its quite different to the standard Yaris.
    1579027551791.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I thought honestly I'd never say this about a Yaris but wow is it cool and isn't it one aggressive looking motor.

    That would be great on or off the track....


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    No body panels are the same as the 5 door, its quite different to the standard Yaris.
    1579027551791.jpg

    Looks fantastic from that angle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    The Irish model is available this year.
    With Hybrid powertrain....
    https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyota/articles-news-events/2018/toyota-yaris-gr-sport.json


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    The Irish model is available this year.
    With Hybrid powertrain....
    https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyota/articles-news-events/2018/toyota-yaris-gr-sport.json

    according to that it was available in a 191 ,I realise you are taking the piss also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Pops_20


    Sorry to dig up this thread, but it's a real pity that it's looking like Ireland won't be offered this car. Seems so cool.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0bTFAjK8tM

    The closest thing on offer is a seemingly diluted down version called the Yaris GRMN

    https://www.toyota.ie/models/yaris-grmn.json


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Realistically though, was anybody actually going to buy one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

    They're £26k in the uk
    €42k is a scandalous price for one here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Capra


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Realistically though, was anybody actually going to buy one?

    It's hard to know. I'm always amazed how many original Irish Celica gt4, EVOs Impreza STIs that you will see at car shows. They weren't cheap in their day either but they are out there.

    Style over substance seems to be the preference now though judging by the amount of s-line and m sport and even VRS 4 pot diesels out there now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

    They're £26k in the uk
    €42k is a scandalous price for one here.

    Especially since its the watered down 1.5 hybrid not the original.

    it'll be bought as a 21st present for the first born son of a rural dweller who buys a new landcruiser every year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Capra


    Especially since its the watered down 1.5 hybrid not the original.

    it'll be bought as a 21st present for the first born son of a rural dweller who buys a new landcruiser every year.

    No, it wasn't. The proper GRMN was available to order here for €42,000. No one was being asked €42k for the 1.5 hybrid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Capra


    The GRMN has been on sale globally since some time in 2018 I think? Supposed to be great fun but I always thought they were getting a limited production run of less than 1000.

    They're £26k in the uk
    €42k is a scandalous price for one here.

    That's a different car completely. The GR-4 is a new model built on a bespoke 3 door body with a unique 4wd system, carbon roof, flared arches, new engine, etc.

    The GRMN was a very good uprated version of the old model Yaris. The new version is more serious again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

    Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.
    Capra wrote: »
    That's a different car completely. The GR-4 is a new model built on a bespoke 3 door body with a unique 4wd system, carbon roof, flared arches, new engine, etc.

    The GRMN was a very good uprated version of the old model Yaris. The new version is more serious again.

    I know. I was responding to pops_20's post above mine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Cheensbo


    Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

    Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.

    309_Yaris_GRMN_detail_int.jpg

    Looks a lot like a 2zz :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭CIP4


    I drove a new model Polo GTI on a track last year and it felt really quick no doubt because it was small that had 200bhp. So I would say a Yaris with 260bhp would be some craic to drive. The fact no one would expect it to be so quick would make it even better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Ya 1.8 supercharged 212bhp 6 speed manual box, fwd and torsen lsd.

    Sounds a tasty combo but not near 42k levels of tastiness.



    I know. I was responding to pops_20's post above mine.

    You can get a 2017/18 A35 or A45 AMG for that money, a 2014 BMW M4 for that money, Almost 2017 BMW M2 money.

    Even a Leon Cupra R is a little cheaper.

    Just can't see the appeal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Philb76


    It was reported in the uk that these were coming couple of months going to be a serious car potential collector cars so no doubt they will sell look back even as far as the 80s any rally derived hatchbacks were very expensive these are no different I'm sure people said who will buy a v6 renault clio


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    You can get a 2017/18 A35 or A45 AMG for that money, a 2014 BMW M4 for that money, Almost 2017 BMW M2 money.

    Even a Leon Cupra R is a little cheaper.

    Just can't see the appeal.

    Shur this is it, hence the reasoning behind thinking 42k is ludicrous money.

    Now that said light small agile cars with around about 200bhp and a manual gearbox will always be appealing due to their ease of maintenance and the fact that ya can basically drive the boll*x outta them without breaking the bank. They're a pretty different kettle of fish compared to a used m4...

    But ya pricing needed to be down around about the same as a polo gti or fiesta st. Around about that £20k mark.

    Toyota uk over shot the runway by about £5k Toyota Ireland landed at a completely different airport :pac:

    And unfortunately if they offer the GR yaris here they'll surely end up doing something similar.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    I feckin hate this country when it comes to Motoring!


  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Capra


    Shur this is it, hence the reasoning behind thinking 42k is ludicrous money.

    Now that said light small agile cars with around about 200bhp and a manual gearbox will always be appealing due to their ease of maintenance and the fact that ya can basically drive the boll*x outta them without breaking the bank. They're a pretty different kettle of fish compared to a used m4...

    But ya pricing needed to be down around about the same as a polo gti or fiesta st. Around about that £20k mark.

    Toyota uk over shot the runway by about £5k Toyota Ireland landed at a completely different airport :pac:

    And unfortunately if they offer the GR yaris here they'll surely end up doing something similar.

    Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

    I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Capra wrote: »
    Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

    I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.

    We were still on about the GRMN Yaris.

    The GR isn't out yet and no one know for certain how it'll be priced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Philb76


    Capra wrote: »
    Why would pricing be the same as a polo GTi or Fiesta ST? It's a vastly more serious engineering exercise. Bespoke 3 door body that isn't offered on any other yaris, bespoke 4wd system, far more exclusive. Proper rally homologation history. And much, much faster. Name one homologation car that hasn't held its value way above its non homologation contemporaries.

    I recently found out about some 4x4 mk 2 Golf homologation specials that make about £30,000-40,000. Considering you can have a very good mk 2 GTi for much less than £10,000, I think it shows the value of a homologation car even on something that isn't well known.

    Peugeot 205 t16 road car 300 to 400 thousand and that is if you can even get someone to sell theres


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    They can’t even build a Supra themselves ffs.

    In fairness, the reason for that is because it was cheaper and more beneficial for both Toyota and BMW. Toyota got one of the best petrol engines currently in production and BMW got Toyota's hybrid technology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭Neilw


    We were still on about the GRMN Yaris.

    The GR isn't out yet and no one know for certain how it'll be priced.

    I still think it will be a €60k car here.


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